3.3TT Mishimoto's Stinger GT Intercooler Kit R&D Thread

[Mishimoto]

Hey Guys,

Big ol' bump with the next update in our intercooler development, AND the first look at our design. For the full look make sure to head to the Engineering Blog Granted these are just our fitment prototypes, but once our first production samples are complete, they'll look a lot like this (minus the mix matched coloring of course):

For a full look at what's to come, make sure that you head over to the Engineering Blog for more info! Also, as a note for transparency's sake, I would love to show you guys a full complete kit, but it's just not finished yet. Trust me when I say that you guys will be the first to get a look at it once we have a kit here in the flesh!

As always, feel free to shoot me any questions that you might have!

-Nick

 

[cncBilly]

Hey Guys,

Big ol' bump with the next update in our intercooler development, AND the first look at our design. For the full look make sure to head to the Engineering Blog Granted these are just our fitment prototypes, but once our first production samples are complete, they'll look a lot like this (minus the mix matched coloring of course):

For a full look at what's to come, make sure that you head over to the Engineering Blog for more info! Also, as a note for transparency's sake, I would love to show you guys a full complete kit, but it's just not finished yet. Trust me when I say that you guys will be the first to get a look at it once we have a kit here in the flesh!

As always, feel free to shoot me any questions that you might have!

-Nick

Ball park price?

 

[Pnbnationsbest]

Forget price, will it ever actually be put on sale? They've trolled us from day one. Idk if I would even take a free unit at this point.

 

[Toddasaurus]

Forget price, will it ever actually be put on sale? They've trolled us from day one. Idk if I would even take a free unit at this point.

I can understand the frustration associated with waiting and the lack of details throughout.. Even so, I think you're going a bit too far. Nick hasn't made any outlandish promises or fed us with any lies, he's just given us small updates here and there seemingly just to let the forum know that they're working on this kit with the Stinger performance enthusiast in mind. Yes, it's been painfully long; but nothing about this has been unreasonable in my opinion.

For me, the Mishimoto setup is looking really well thought out, and an improvement not only to stock but also to all other kits that I've seen so far.

Looks to be worth the wait I think.

 

[Pnbnationsbest]

It's not misplaced, where's the support for our cars on their site?

 

[xot1]

what size are we looking at?

 

[NYdito]

Hey Guys,

Big ol' bump with the next update in our intercooler development, AND the first look at our design. For the full look make sure to head to the Engineering Blog Granted these are just our fitment prototypes, but once our first production samples are complete, they'll look a lot like this (minus the mix matched coloring of course):

For a full look at what's to come, make sure that you head over to the Engineering Blog for more info! Also, as a note for transparency's sake, I would love to show you guys a full complete kit, but it's just not finished yet. Trust me when I say that you guys will be the first to get a look at it once we have a kit here in the flesh!

As always, feel free to shoot me any questions that you might have!

-Nick

Looks really good thank you for investing in the stinger community.

 

[Mishimoto]

Hey Guys,

Just wanted to jump in here to clear a few things up! Thanks so much fro everyone contributing in here, and understanding the process.

@Pnbnationsbest - I understand the frustration in the wait, but we're basically delivering updates on the development in real time. Basically, it takes a while to develop an intercooler, especially one as complex as this, and we only just started in April. I promise that we're not trolling, or stringing you guys along, but rather we just want you to be apart of the development. I hope this helps clear things up, and as always, feel free to shoot me any questions you might have.

Ball park price?

It's still a little too early in the game for a definite price (I don't want to give you something and then have it change on you) BUT, there are a lot of striking similarities to our Civic Type R kit, which should give you a rough idea. Keep in mind of two things though, this kit does have some more piping involved which could affect the pricing. Also, we will be offering a discounted presale once production is finished up, so make sure you keep your eyes peeled for that. Nothing is set in stone just yet (again don't want to give you anything definite in case it changes), but I will be sure to keep you guys in the loop once we have a more concrete date!

what size are we looking at?

Are you looking for sizing on the core or the piping? Or both?

Thanks!
-Nick

 

[Manaz]

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[ZyroXZ2]

This is how they should have introduced their intercooler R&D, or at least had this up within a week of starting a thread.

Now that there's something to show, I'll keep my eye on their continued development. What they need to do is ensure this is also compatible with either the G70 or the G70 crashbar for Stinger owners using said crashbar.

They're 3D printing their prototype for fitment, so I'd say we're at least 3 months before a built prototype is tested. I really hope they get on it quicker, because the next uptick in IC sales won't happen until after tax season next year just as the weather begins warming up. It'll be harder to sell an IC in the heart of Winter, lmao

 

[zbc1969]

So this looks like it'll be substantially smaller than the JT one. Does that matter very much?

 

[STINGER]

Hey Guys,

Are you looking for sizing on the core or the piping? Or both?

-Nick

Thanks for the update Nick, everything looks good.

The core looks like it is in on the smaller side, what are the dimensions and how much HP will it support?

 

[xot1]

Are you looking for sizing on the core or the piping? Or both?

Thanks!
-Nick

I was asking for the core but I'd like to know piping too.

 

[Manaz]

So this looks like it'll be substantially smaller than the JT one. Does that matter very much?

I was going to type a lot of stuff out, but the following link's pretty good in explaining what matters for an intercooler.

http://www.superstreetonline.com/how-to/engine/0304-turp-intercooler

 

[Metalmania82]

Looks nice and expensive! How 'bout a poor man's version, aka no fancy colors or material

Will this be compatible with the Tial BOV and BMS adapter that a lot of us are running?

 

[robz32]

If it can mount the factory diverter valves, then it is compatible with the BMS adapter.

 

[Mishimoto]

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Thanks! Things were getting a little out of hand, and we really appreciate you putting us back on topic! Also greatly appreciate everyone's understanding of the process!

This is how they should have introduced their intercooler R&D, or at least had this up within a week of starting a thread.

Now that there's something to show, I'll keep my eye on their continued development. What they need to do is ensure this is also compatible with either the G70 or the G70 crashbar for Stinger owners using said crashbar.

They're 3D printing their prototype for fitment, so I'd say we're at least 3 months before a built prototype is tested. I really hope they get on it quicker, because the next uptick in IC sales won't happen until after tax season next year just as the weather begins warming up. It'll be harder to sell an IC in the heart of Winter, lmao

Just out of curiosity, how popular is the G70 crash beeam mod? Also, we would love to test fit on a G70 as well, so if you know anyone in the Delaware area with one

You're not actually far off. We still have at least a few weeks before we have a testable kit here. After the testing is finished up we'll still have a few months before we can launch anything, but I'll make sure to keep you in the loop!

So this looks like it'll be substantially smaller than the JT one. Does that matter very much?

Definitely check out the link that @Manaz posted below! There's a ton of info in there about the different aspects of intercooler construction that effect the cooling, power and flow.

To directly answer the question though, it won't matter very much. Intercooler design is a delicate balancing act between to create a heat exchanger that can flow but also quickly dissipate the heat. We'll be using a bar-and-plate core which is much more effective at both of those than a tube-and-fin design. On top of that, we wanted to make sure that all of our fin surface area was being used. Sure we could have gone bigger, but that would also have an effect on pressure drop, and anything tucked behind the crash beam wouldn't be very effective at transferring heat.

We also have our own technical article on intercooler design and construction if you wanted to dive in there too

Thanks for the update Nick, everything looks good.

The core looks like it is in on the smaller side, what are the dimensions and how much HP will it support?

I was asking for the core but I'd like to know piping too.

We're looking at a 28"x8"x4.5" core and it'll easily support up to 800hp. Pipes come in at 3" as well

I was going to type a lot of stuff out, but the following link's pretty good in explaining what matters for an intercooler.

http://www.superstreetonline.com/how-to/engine/0304-turp-intercooler

Thanks for the link! Definitely a lot of useful info in there guys!

Looks nice and expensive! How 'bout a poor man's version, aka no fancy colors or material

Will this be compatible with the Tial BOV and BMS adapter that a lot of us are running?

We're planning on this being the best bang for your buck kit, and we'll have a discounted presale AND offer financing as well, so plenty of options for you! Also for the BOVs, our hot side piping will still be compatible with the stock re-circulation valves, so as long as your adapter plate works with that you should be OK. We also may be working up an adapter plate of our own, so stay tuned!


Thanks for all the questions guys! Keep 'em coming

-Nick

 

[ZyroXZ2]

Thanks! Things were getting a little out of hand, and we really appreciate you putting us back on topic! Also greatly appreciate everyone's understanding of the process!




Just out of curiosity, how popular is the G70 crash beeam mod? Also, we would love to test fit on a G70 as well, so if you know anyone in the Delaware area with one

You're not actually far off. We still have at least a few weeks before we have a testable kit here. After the testing is finished up we'll still have a few months before we can launch anything, but I'll make sure to keep you in the loop!



Definitely check out the link that @Manaz posted below! There's a ton of info in there about the different aspects of intercooler construction that effect the cooling, power and flow.

Two directly answer the question though, it won't matter very much. Intercooler design is a delicate balancing act between to create a heat exchanger that can flow but also quickly dissipate the heat. We'll be using a bar-and-plate core which is much more effective at both of those than a tube-and-fin design. On top of that, we wanted to make sure that all of our fin surface area was being used. Sure we could have gone bigger, but that would also have an effect on pressure drop, and anything tucked behind the crash beam wouldn't be very effective at transferring heat.

We also have our own technical article on intercooler design and construction if you wanted to dive in there too





We're looking at a 28"x8"x4.5" core and it'll easily support up to 800hp. Pipes come in at 3" as well



Thanks for the link! Definitely a lot of useful info in there guys!




We're planning on this being the best bang for your buck kit, and we'll have a discounted presale AND offer financing as well, so plenty of options for you! Also for the BOVs, our hot side piping will still be compatible with the stock re-circulation valves, so as long as your adapter plate works with that you should be OK. We also may be working up an adapter plate of our own, so stay tuned!


Thanks for all the questions guys! Keep 'em coming

-Nick

The G70 crash beam mod is primarily relegated to "extreme" modders, and I've been on the fence pending an intercooler upgrade (because I'll already have the bumper off) to offset the increased weight at the absolute worst place to add it: the nose of the car.

Unfortunately, it seems G70s haven't quite taken off enough for them to be readily available. You might actually have a better time getting the front crashbar from your local dealership and putting it on the Stinger to test for fitment

 

[Metalmania82]

The G70 crash beam mod is primarily relegated to "extreme" modders, and I've been on the fence pending an intercooler upgrade (because I'll already have the bumper off) to offset the increased weight at the absolute worst place to add it: the nose of the car.

What's this "crash beam mod?"

We're planning on this being the best bang for your buck kit, and we'll have a discounted presale AND offer financing as well, so plenty of options for you! Also for the BOVs, our hot side piping will still be compatible with the stock re-circulation valves, so as long as your adapter plate works with that you should be OK. We also may be working up an adapter plate of our own, so stay tuned!

-Nick

I like all that, thanks for the info!!

Financing with Affirm I hope???!?

 

[robz32]

The G70 crash bar, behind the front bumper, is aluminium instead of metal. The Stinger has the metal one.
The mod is popular in Korea and it is mostly done to reduce the weight on the front of the Stinger.
How much weight? Don't know.