3.3TT Mishimoto's Stinger GT Intercooler Kit R&D Thread

[CoconutRob]

Ok indirectly, cooling air going into turbo. 1st turbo car just curious to anyone's experience upgrading the intercooler. 1 to 2 hp is a wash I would like to see at least 5+ for it to be woth the purchase.

 

[Jim Dowd]

Ok indirectly, cooling air going into turbo. 1st turbo car just curious to anyone's experience upgrading the intercooler. 1 to 2 hp is a wash I would like to see at least 5+ for it to be woth the purchase.

Couple things going on here @CoconutRob - you're correct, colder air equals more power. But an upgraded intercooler really provides colder air more consistently since the intercooler can reject more heat, it will allow the car to perform at a higher level over and over again compared to the stock intercooler which will begin to heat soak and rob your car of timing and power.

Although it is common to see a small hp increase with an intercooler kit, you won't always see a substantial improvement of the max hp number by installing an intercooler by itself. Adding a tune and other supporting bolt-ons with an intercooler usually yields more impressive results though. All of this also ignores any improvement that may be gained from the pipes that they have also designed.

TL;DR - the intercooler may not always add hp, but it will allow your car to consistently produce max hp.

Hope that helps @CoconutRob!

 

[Mishimoto]

It's more about overall. We're already adding a heavier intercooler at the front of the nose, so little things start to add up. Not all of us are straight-line drag racing junkies (and even then, weight on the nose actually decreases rear grip for RWD people such as myself).

I've already had it previously planned that if I get an IC, I'd also get the G70 crash bar and a carbon fiber hood in an attempt to offset the weight increase (though the factory hood is aluminum, so it's already light). Now I'm curious if my GTS uses the G70 crash bar, lol

Right I gotcha! I had an inkling that you were looking to take some hard corners if weight was a concern What I'm mostly getting at here is that we're looking at very similar weights as far as the stock and our piping is concern and you might end up doing more harm than good by keeping the stock collector in the mix in terms of the airflow especially if you're running any kind of tune on there. That said it is very possible to adapt our piping to the collector with a different coupler

Couple things going on here @CoconutRob - you're correct, colder air equals more power. But an upgraded intercooler really provides colder air more consistently since the intercooler can reject more heat, it will allow the car to perform at a higher level over and over again compared to the stock intercooler which will begin to heat soak and rob your car of timing and power.

Although it is common to see a small hp increase with an intercooler kit, you won't always see a substantial improvement of the max hp number by installing an intercooler by itself. Adding a tune and other supporting bolt-ons with an intercooler usually yields more impressive results though. All of this also ignores any improvement that may be gained from the pipes that they have also designed.

TL;DR - the intercooler may not always add hp, but it will allow your car to consistently produce max hp.

Hope that helps @CoconutRob!

@CoconutRob what he said^ (many tks @Jim Dowd )

Basically the concept behind upgrading your intercooler is to increase the potential for more power through more aggressive tunes. Keeping your IATs consistently lower and better flow characteristics are exactly what you're looking to improve on to flow more boost through the system. Coincidentally, those will sometimes have the same effect on the stock system and add power without any tuning, but the primary goal is to give the platform a more robust intercooling system in order to increase the potential for more power.

That all said though, we did see a power increase on the stock tune with our kit We'll have the results on just how much power coming soon!

-Nick

 

[ZyroXZ2]

Right I gotcha! I had an inkling that you were looking to take some hard corners if weight was a concern What I'm mostly getting at here is that we're looking at very similar weights as far as the stock and our piping is concern and you might end up doing more harm than good by keeping the stock collector in the mix in terms of the airflow especially if you're running any kind of tune on there. That said it is very possible to adapt our piping to the collector with a different coupler




@CoconutRob what he said^ (many tks @Jim Dowd )

Basically the concept behind upgrading your intercooler is to increase the potential for more power through more aggressive tunes. Keeping your IATs consistently lower and better flow characteristics are exactly what you're looking to improve on to flow more boost through the system. Coincidentally, those will sometimes have the same effect on the stock system and add power without any tuning, but the primary goal is to give the platform a more robust intercooling system in order to increase the potential for more power.

That all said though, we did see a power increase on the stock tune with our kit We'll have the results on just how much power coming soon!

-Nick

I guess I need to rephrase "overall". New F/R Eibach swaybars are nearly 5 lbs heavier than stock (a few lbs each). Some new lowering springs are a few lbs heavier than stock. My Magnaflow exhaust is heavier than stock (couldn't weigh them since all I had was a bathroom scale, but I held each part in each of my arms to compare). My intake is heavier than the stock boxes. And then I'm going to add a piggyback (just a few lbs) and WMI (about 15 lbs if all components are accounted for with a full reservoir). The little things add up quick. Before you know it, you've added nearly 50 lbs of "stuff". Compared to the 4000 lbs of the car? No biggie, right? I'd be making nearly 200 more HP than stock. But if I handed someone a 50lb box, they'd say, "this is kind of heavy!", to which I'd say, "and in what way do you think putting this in your car will help it?".

This is why I'm always tracking the weight of mods. When you start going mod crazy, things start to stack up. While it may be making more power for greater straightline performance, it may not necessarily be any faster around the corners. I've actually SEEN that scenario, lol

 

[xot1]

I really want to answer your post about adding weight but that would be hijacking this thread. Lets remain on the topic.

 

[ZyroXZ2]

I really want to answer your post about adding weight but that would be hijacking this thread. Lets remain on the topic.

I'm keenly aware there's more to handling than just weight. Hell, just stickier tires would negate such a small weight increase.

But if you look at some of the top automotive engineering companies in the world, weight is absolutely 100% always one of their primary directives. For a passenger vehicle that's just a GT? Not as important. To me? Still important, just as much as where the weight is placed, lol

Give me a 3200lb Stinger coupe and I'd be all over that shit!

 

[turboAWD]

Give me a 3200lb Stinger coupe and I'd be all over that shit!

I think you bought the wrong car

 

[ZyroXZ2]

I think you bought the wrong car

I definitely didn't, I'm just being mindful and focused on what I want to get out of it

Which is everything.

 

[xot1]

For cooling products more mass usually means more heat dissipation. You can try saving some weight on the piping but the core will be the major factor. So you can go for a different core internal design with small fins only but as the Mishimoto rep explained it has an inferior cooling capability. I guess there is a tradeoff here.

I think weight savings are easier in other places than the intercooler.

FYI the Wagner intercooler is 33 lbs (core only).

 

[zbc1969]

I definitely didn't, I'm just being mindful and focused on what I want to get out of it

Which is everything.

Well you could just lose weight instead

 

[ZyroXZ2]

Well you could just lose weight instead

Oh the irony that I'm not even fat

 

[Hockster]

Oh the irony that I'm not even fat

Braggart

 

[Toddasaurus]

Leave him alone! He's just big boned!

 

[Mishimoto]

Just wanted to give you guys a quick update and a peek behind the curtain, our Stinger is still sitting on the dyno to finish up some more testing with some minor adjustments all to come soon

I should have some more info for you guys in the next week or two!

Thanks,
Nick

 

[xot1]

Did you guys own a Stinger or is it a customer's vehicle?

 

[Mishimoto]

Did you guys own a Stinger or is it a customer's vehicle?

We bought this one

 

[xot1]

We bought this one

Very nice! Looking forward to seeing more cool products then.

 

[Metalmania82]

Did you guys own a Stinger or is it a customer's vehicle?

I was hoping they would need a customer car. I'm not very far from their location

 

[G-331121]

Is it possible that you can provide us some indication of what price range we can expect for a pre-sale order?

 

[Solo GT]

Is been a while, what’s the latest on the Dyno results for the Mishimoto product ?