Lots of questions from a 100% beginner

[G70LEbyAdoom]

Counterpoint to all of this. OP, why not just enjoy your car as is, and not risk the warranty? Do you find the power lacking?

This is one of the reasons why I refuse to buy used performance cars. You never know when someone put on some mods, and then returned the car to stock before trading it in lol.

Counter-Counterpoint, if your used performance car is CPO, it defeats your entire argument via "who cares if its been modded before? its still warranty if it breaks because its been certified by the manufacturer".

Also, our stingers are not "Performance" cars, they are Grand Tourers that just happen to have a decent amount of performance potential in some trims.

If you really prioritize performance over all else, their are many other cars in the same price range that will do much better.

 

[AtomicGTL]

Its a performance car to me okay!

 

[G70LEbyAdoom]

Its a performance car to me okay!

I mean the HP/Dollar ratio on the stinger is pretty damn good compared to most if not all Euro cars, probably on par with older JDM and Modern American muscle so its not bad, its just not gonna reach absolutely ridiculous numbers under 10K USD, like you could with an LS for example.

 

[Maljey]

Counter-Counterpoint, if your used performance car is CPO, it defeats your entire argument via "who cares if its been modded before? its still warranty if it breaks because its been certified by the manufacturer".

Also, our stingers are not "Performance" cars, they are Grand Tourers that just happen to have a decent amount of performance potential in some trims.

If you really prioritize performance over all else, their are many other cars in the same price range that will do much better.

Couple things on this:

1) Even if you get a CPO car, do you really want something that has been modded to add more power? Yes, the dealer may honor the warranty, but that's ignoring the time and inconvenience of waiting on your car, getting a rental/loaner, etc. Others opinions may differ, but I'd still be wary of any previously modded car, CPO or not, especially if the car is going to be my daily driver.

2) The Stinger is one of the best performing cars in its price range, if you control for 4 door sedans. There's a very short list of 4 door cars that perform better. That may not meet your official definition of a performance car, so call it a sport sedan or whatever. It doesn't change the fact that people are jumping into this car and doing performance mods that can potentially void the warranty (i.e. JB 4) right off the bat.

 

[AtomicGTL]

I mean the HP/Dollar ratio on the stinger is pretty damn good compared to most if not all Euro cars, probably on par with older JDM and Modern American muscle so its not bad, its just not gonna reach absolutely ridiculous numbers under 10K USD, like you could with an LS for example.

I agree, Imo I would say its half-half, performance/grand tourer. Which is why the stinger is so unique. Its not a full blown performance machine like an M car or AMG (c63 etc, not little c43) but it has such a wine like exquisite taste for power and comfort.

 

[G70LEbyAdoom]

Couple things on this:

1) Even if you get a CPO car, do you really want something that has been modded to add more power? Yes, the dealer may honor the warranty, but that's ignoring the time and inconvenience of waiting on your car, getting a rental/loaner, etc. Others opinions may differ, but I'd still be wary of any previously modded car, CPO or not, especially if the car is going to be my daily driver.

2) The Stinger is one of the best performing cars in its price range, if you control for 4 door sedans. There's a very short list of 4 door cars that perform better. That may not meet your official definition of a performance car, so call it a sport sedan or whatever. It doesn't change the fact that people are jumping into this car and doing performance mods that can potentially void the warranty (i.e. JB 4) right off the bat.

1. Well if you want to be enjoy your car stock, that's fine, but clearly OP doesn't, so its mute. My stinger is my daily driver and although its in the shop right now, its not because it was modded, and the teardown proved it. I have a bit more than just a JB4, but the JB4 is just such an easy way to get an extra 60-100hp without risk of any damage because of the built in safety systems that the JB4 has, its a no brainer.

2. Before the ridiculous car market that hit in the last year, I got my AWD GT2 for 35K with 24k miles CPO. That is plenty of budget for middle aged M cars, C63s, Middle Aged S/RS line Audi's, an ATS-V, CTS-Vsport, and the best performance bang for the buck 4 door sedan you could buy, the 2nd gen CTS-V, which also came in a beautiful Coupe AND wagon version. Sure the interior is a little dated, but it had a 6 speed manual as an option across the range, 550hp from the factory, a pretty good warranty, a bulletproof motor, and amazing mod support. in the current car market, all that is up in the air, but still.

Also, I came from a 2014 CTS-Vsport, which is a 420hp TTV6, and very competitive with the stinger. The only reason I got rid of it was because it has 120k miles on it and was RWD, which, living in New England, is not a good thing for the winter months.

 

[Kamauxx]

I'm gonna chalk it up to it being so early in the morning when you posted, that it was hard for you to think straight before I give you the "Worst advice of the day" award.

You're adorable but don't know what you're talking about. I'm going to chalk it up to you being a snarky new booty faux internet expert.

Anyway, OP I was one of the 10 original JB4 beta testers over 4 years ago. I ran Map 2 on stock plugs gapped to .024 for over 20k miles. Tork Motorsports, who developed the first ECU tune for Stingers around that same time recommended using stock plugs regapped. When Terry originally started shipping JB4s to Stinger owners he didn't even have a plug recommendation, let alone requirement. When he started selling them post-beta he still didn't mention any plug requirements. When he finally gave requirements, like Tork he recommended stock plugs be regapped to .024. His recommendation for swapping plugs came months later. The early JB4 users all ran stock plugs @ John's (Tork Motorsports) and Terry's (Burger Motorsports) recommended gap, on map 2, for many problem free miles.

When the new buyers started trickling in over the summer of 2018 and installing JB4s/Race Chips (back then Race Chip swore up and down that stock plugs at stock gap was fine) with stock plugs NOT REGAPPED, leading to damaged coils/plugs that's when Terry started selling and recommending Densos. From there all of the new adopters ran with it, thinking it was a requirement without knowing any better.

Beware of internet experts, OP. Make sure to do your OWN research. Don't take my word for it. Don't take the above expert's word for it. Take Burger Tuning/Terry's word for it.

I'll make it easy. Here's Terry's plug requirements for map 2+. This was written by him, on his forum. "For the 3.3L we suggest closing the gap on the STOCK plugs to 0.024", OR replacing the stock plugs with Denso 5346 plugs and gapping them to 0.022."

I guess I'm going to have to share my "worst advice of the day" award with the man that knows more about JB4s than anyone else on the planet.

Kia & Hyundai JB4 - JB4tech.com - International Turbo Tuning Discussion

Kia & Hyundai JB4 Kia & Hyundai Turbo

www.n54tech.com

That's directly from the man responsible for engineering, marketing, and selling JB4s. But hey, it's your car, so you do whatever you want, but I'd definitely recommend not taking any advice from the homie Rearfacinggopro.

Toodles.

 

[G70LEbyAdoom]

You don't know what you're talking about. I'm going to chalk it up to you being a snarky new booty faux internet expert.

Anyway, OP I was one of the 10 original JB4 beta testers over 4 years ago. I ran Map 2 on stock plugs gapped to .024 for over 20k miles. Tork Motorsports, who developed the first ECU tune for Stingers around that same time recommended using stock plugs regapped. When Terry originally started shipping JB4s to Stinger owners he didn't even have a plug recommendation, let alone requirement. When he started selling them post-beta he still didn't mention any plug requirements. When he finally gave requirements, like Tork he recommended stock plugs be regapped to .024. His recommendation for swapping plugs came months later. The early JB4 users all ran stock plugs @ John's (Tork) and Terry's recommended gap, on map 2, for many problem free miles.

When the new buyers started trickling in over the summer of 2018 and installing JB4s/Race Chips (back then Race Chip swore up and down that stock plugs at stock gap was fine) with stock plugs NOT REGAPPED, leading to damaged coils/plugs that's when Terry started selling and recommending Densos. From there all of the new adopters ran with it, thinking it was a requirement without knowing any better.

Every single word of my post is easily verifiable by searching this forum/youtube and paying attention to the posts from Feb-summer of 2018.

Beware of internet experts, OP. Make sure to do your OWN research. Don't take my word for it. Don't take the above expert's word for it. Take Burger Tuning/Terry's word for it.

I'll make it easy. Here's Terry's plug requirements for map 2+. This was written by him, on his forum. "For the 3.3L we suggest closing the gap on the stock plugs to 0.024", OR replacing the stock plugs with Denso 5346 plugs and gapping them to 0.022."

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Kia & Hyundai JB4 - JB4tech.com - International Turbo Tuning Discussion

Kia & Hyundai JB4 Kia & Hyundai Turbo

www.n54tech.com

That's directly from the man responsible for engineering, marketing, and selling JB4s. But hey, it's your car, so you do whatever you want, but I'd definitely recommend not taking any advice from the homie above.

Toodles.

I mean that's all good info and congrats (and I don't mean that in a sarcastic way) on being one of the testers, But that info is now outdated, and with the refinements and improvements that the JB4 has received since release, that recommendation has clearly changed over the years, because if it did not, then you would still have not only terry, but all the other tuners saying that they where fine as well. so, @Terry@BMS would you mind clarifying?

Side note, I gave you attitude in my post, so the attitude in your response is 100% justified, I get it and we are even now. I deserved it. But lets not resort to anything more than that alright? we don't need another Tork Vs Lozic Thread.

 

[AtomicGTL]

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[G70LEbyAdoom]

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No No put the machine away

 

[Kamauxx]

I mean that's all good info and congrats (and I don't mean that in a sarcastic way) on being one of the testers, But that info is now outdated, and with the refinements and improvements that the JB4 has received since release, that recommendation has clearly changed over the years, because if it did not, then you would still have not only terry, but all the other tuners saying that they where fine as well. so, @Terry@BMS would you mind clarifying?

Side note, I gave you attitude in my post, so the attitude in your response is 100% justified, I get it and we are even now. I deserved it. But lets not resort to anything more than that alright? we don't need another Tork Vs Lozic Thread.

You were a total a**hole. And on top of that completely wrong. And I didn't even get my "worst advice" award. You don't get to dictate how I interact with you going forward. However, I am old and tired and don't particularly enjoy internet fights as much as I used to...

What I'll say about the information I shared above is that it has been constantly updated through the years. He originally made that post in March 2018, firmware v1. Right now the post is showing information for firmware v22. So the post is actually regularly updated and in 3.5+ years no change has been made to his plug requirements.

For what it's worth, on their Stinger JB4 product page they say at a minimum stock plugs should be regapped to .026"or replaced with aftermarket plugs.

 

[Maljey]

1. Well if you want to be enjoy your car stock, that's fine, but clearly OP doesn't, so its mute. My stinger is my daily driver and although its in the shop right now, its not because it was modded, and the teardown proved it. I have a bit more than just a JB4, but the JB4 is just such an easy way to get an extra 60-100hp without risk of any damage because of the built in safety systems that the JB4 has, its a no brainer.

2. Before the ridiculous car market that hit in the last year, I got my AWD GT2 for 35K with 24k miles CPO. That is plenty of budget for middle aged M cars, C63s, Middle Aged S/RS line Audi's, an ATS-V, CTS-Vsport, and the best performance bang for the buck 4 door sedan you could buy, the 2nd gen CTS-V, which also came in a beautiful Coupe AND wagon version. Sure the interior is a little dated, but it had a 6 speed manual as an option across the range, 550hp from the factory, a pretty good warranty, a bulletproof motor, and amazing mod support. in the current car market, all that is up in the air, but still.

Also, I came from a 2014 CTS-Vsport, which is a 420hp TTV6, and very competitive with the stinger. The only reason I got rid of it was because it has 120k miles on it and was RWD, which, living in New England, is not a good thing for the winter months.

1) That really circles back to the question of why risk your warranty, though? If warranty is a concern you really shouldn't be modding your car, even if the car can handle the added power.

2) When I was talking about other 4 door cars in the Stinger's price range, I was referring to new cars. Yeah, if open the door for used cars then the sky's the limit. There's always going to be a better performing used car in the same price range.

I don't wanna hijack the OP's thread any longer, so this is the last I'll say on the above points lol.

Either way, OP good luck with what you decide.

 

[G70LEbyAdoom]

You were a total a**hole. And on top of that completely wrong. And I didn't even get my award. You don't get to dictate how I interact with you going forward. However, I am old and tired and don't particularly enjoy internet fights as much as I used to...

What I'll say about the information I shared above is that it has been constantly updated through the years. He originally made that post in March 2018, firmware v1. Right now the post is showing information for firmware v22. So the post is actually regularly updated and in 3.5+ years no change has been made to his plug requirements.

Thanks for confirming you're older, I had a hunch by your Boomer styled response, I just did not want to assume. You're wrong however, I do get to dictate how you respond to me going forward. If I don't like how you respond to me, I will just hit the wonderful little ignore button that our little slice of the internet has on it and call it and continue my day like nothing ever happened. I have a feeling that's what Ill be doing anyway at this rate, but hopefully not. If you thought that what I said was being an a**hole, then you really must be on the goodie two shoes side of the internet, but I digress.

Maybe I am completely wrong, okay? cool, everybody can be wrong about loads of things, I am no expert on the JB4, I wouldn't even call myself particularly knowledgeable on it besides knowing how to use it, however I do know that The major players in the ECU game for the stinger all recommend the HKS plugs, so if they are what's recommended for cars that want to do more than the JB4 can, then they will work just fine for the JB4 as well.

Also, you didn't get an award because if you re-read what I said, I didn't actually award you anything, I said I would wait and see if you deserved it.
Your actual response, with citations as you provided, is actually not bad, therefor you don't get the award. I can offer you a different award.

 

[G70LEbyAdoom]

1) That really circles back to the question of why risk your warranty, though? If warranty is a concern you really shouldn't be modding your car, even if the car can handle the added power.

2) When I was talking about other 4 door cars in the Stinger's price range, I was referring to new cars. Yeah, if open the door for used cars then the sky's the limit. There's always going to be a better performing used car in the same price range.

I don't wanna hijack the OP's thread any longer, so this is the last I'll say on the above points lol.

Either way, OP good luck with what you decide.

fair enough.

 

[AtomicGTL]

The one in the pink in that award still got it. Damn.

 

[AtomicGTL]

I would still feel hesitant to even using stock plugs even gapped for any tune. Just alot more possibilities of something going wrong than playing it safe with aftermarket ones for a very inexpensive price. Especially since OP just entered the tuning world on the stinger. Just my opinion.

 

[Kamauxx]

Thanks for confirming you're older, I had a hunch by your Boomer styled response, I just did not want to assume. You're wrong however, I do get to dictate how you respond to me going forward. If I don't like how you respond to me, I will just hit the wonderful little ignore button that our little slice of the internet has on it and call it and continue my day like nothing ever happened. I have a feeling that's what Ill be doing anyway at this rate, but hopefully not. If you thought that what I said was being an a**hole, then you really must be on the goodie two shoes side of the internet, but I digress.

Maybe I am completely wrong, okay? cool, everybody can be wrong about loads of things, I am no expert on the JB4, I wouldn't even call myself particularly knowledgeable on it besides knowing how to use it, however I do know that The major players in the ECU game for the stinger all recommend the HKS plugs, so if they are what's recommended for cars that want to do more than the JB4 can, then they will work just fine for the JB4 as well.

Also, you didn't get an award because if you re-read what I said, I didn't actually award you anything, I said I would wait and see if you deserved it.
Your actual response, with citations as you provided, is actually not bad, therefor you don't get the award. I can offer you a different award.

Dude, I'm in my 30s. I'm just not as interested in arguing with you as you appear to be in arguing with me. You're angry, I get that, but lashing out at me won't change anything. You started shit. I responded. You unilaterally declared us to be "even." I responded sarcastically. And then you went right back to your original a**hole ways. That's typically referred to as "throwing a brick and hiding your hands." Except in your case, you threw a brick, it ricocheted and hit you in the face, you hid your hands, and then you threw another brick.

To be honest with you, I'm more than capable of making you want to hit that ignore button but I'm trying to be a bit more civil in my old age (actually I've caused Sal to delete so much shit from this forum I'm just trying not to be his Friday annoyance). Since you have a hard time communicating in a civil way, maybe you should preemptively hit the button and save us both the headache before this descends further.

 

[Kamauxx]

I would still feel hesitant to even using stock plugs even gapped for any tune. Just alot more possibilities of something going wrong than playing it safe with aftermarket ones for a very inexpensive price. Especially since OP just entered the tuning world on the stinger. Just my opinion.

That's why I gave him the information, told him to do his own research, and to make that decision himself. He can rely on the documented recommendations of Burger Motorsports or he can rely on the recommendations of Burger Motorsports' customers (one of which (not you, the other one) has just been proven to be wrong and is incapable of civil dialogue). It's his choice to make.

Y'all have fun. I'm out.

 

[G70LEbyAdoom]

Dude, I'm in my 30s. I'm just not as interested in arguing with you as you appear to be in arguing with me. You're angry, I get that, but lashing out at me won't change anything. You started shit. I responded. You unilaterally declared us to be "even." I responded sarcastically. And then you went right back to your original a**hole ways. That's typically referred to as "throwing a brick and hiding your hands." Except in your case, you threw a brick, it ricocheted and hit you in the face, you hid your hands, and then you threw another brick.

To be honest with you, I'm more than capable of making you want to hit that ignore button but I'm trying to be a bit more civil in my old age (actually I've caused Sal to delete so much shit from this forum I'm just trying not to be his Friday annoyance). Since you have a hard time communicating in a civil way, maybe you should preemptively hit the button and save us both the headache before this descends further.

Temper Temper dear Wisconsin, Temper Temper.

 

[WIStingerGT]

Counter-Counterpoint, if your used performance car is CPO, it defeats your entire argument via "who cares if its been modded before? its still warranty if it breaks because its been certified by the manufacturer".

Also, our stingers are not "Performance" cars, they are Grand Tourers that just happen to have a decent amount of performance potential in some trims.

If you really prioritize performance over all else, their are many other cars in the same price range that will do much better.

Just my $0.02, I would say that Stingers are "Performance Cars". I think that is a relative and subjective classification. Maybe its a sports sedan but this car is the fastest car I have ever owned and I love its performance.