Lets talk tuning, piggy back vs ECU flash.

[brancky3]

I have been told some people experience poor idle especially at lower temps*, but have not experienced that myself.

Yes I've heard this too. It doesn't really get cold here too often (we might get a week of coldness, but most of winter is low of 30 and a high of 50) so I'm not worried about it.

 

[Blitz]

Yes I've heard this too. It doesn't really get cold here too often (we might get a week of coldness, but most of winter is low of 30 and a high of 50) so I'm not worried about it.

I'm in Washington and keeping an eye on it. If I get idle problems I will certainly bring it to everyone's attention, as I went with exactly the suggested hardware and gap.

 

[Kamauxx]

Shit do it independently. I will pay you to test my JB4 right now and show me it's unsafe, and I will post the results myself.

Ahem @TorkMe

 

[DaJackson]

@TorkMe ”the JB4, blows engines and turbos”

“I mean it cracked a plug”

“I mean it cracked a plug I assumed was gapped correctly”

GTFO of here. Nothing you say has any validity at this point.

 

[Terry@BMS]

No issues idling on Denso plugs gapped down to 0.022, down to 40F weather, on 30% E85. It's a PITA to do plugs so I suggest everyone run 0.022" if you're going in there anyway. Increased dwell time could increase spark energy and allow a wider gap, in theory. It could also over heat and blow a factory coil. I'll leave Tork's plug suggestions to Tork but if their wider gaps are adding more power it's certainly not showing in their trap speeds.

 

[Terry@BMS]

@TorkMe ”the JB4, blows engines and turbos”

“I mean it cracked a plug”

“I mean it cracked a plug I assumed was gapped correctly”

GTFO of here. Nothing you say has any validity at this point.

That's my issue with him, total lack of credibility. And now these guys are asking him to do JB4 testing? lol. 100% guarantee his testing ends in a blow engine.

 

[KLR STINGER]

If he showed you the reasons would it really matter? Doesn't seem to be the consensus with what he has explained on the issue with piggy backs and them tricking the ECU to do things they shouldn't be doing safely.

Dude you have little to no knowledge on this subject (as usual) and everything John posted about plugs has nothing to do with the missfires that plague even stock cars. He's not even referencing the right type of issue these cars have. Increasing dwell gives the plug more energy from the coil. Closing the gap reduces the resistance in the air. Both do the same thing. Allow the plug to fire reliably. That's a plugs only job. There is no one way is better than the other argument to be had here. Can we all f*ck off already?

 

[Blitz]

That's my issue with him, total lack of credibility. And now these guys are asking him to do JB4 testing? lol. 100% guarantee his testing ends in a blow engine.

I can't tell if you're serious. If I drive my car onto his dyno and do some pulls with ONLY his logging tools connected, I don't see how he could telekinetically blow my engine. I guess you think I'm dense and I'm just gonna let someone do random harmful shit to my car while I'm standing there?

 

[DaJackson]

I can't tell if you're serious. If I drive my car onto his dyno and do some pulls with ONLY his logging tools connected, I don't see how he could telekinetically blow my engine. I guess you think I'm dense and I'm just gonna let someone do random harmful shit to my car while I'm standing there?

Unlikely he lets someone impartial (aka you) be the test car. I think that’s Terry’s point.

 

[DaBears4Lyfe]

I can't tell if you're serious. If I drive my car onto his dyno and do some pulls with ONLY his logging tools connected, I don't see how he could telekinetically blow my engine. I guess you think I'm dense and I'm just gonna let someone do random harmful shit to my car while I'm standing there?

Yes lol. Jk

 

[Terry@BMS]

I can't tell if you're serious. If I drive my car onto his dyno and do some pulls with ONLY his logging tools connected, I don't see how he could telekinetically blow my engine. I guess you think I'm dense and I'm just gonna let someone do random harmful shit to my car while I'm standing there?

Data presented is always based on the credibility of the person sharing it. Whatever data he comes up with he will ensure is bad. And he won't be able to use his logging tools with the JB4 attached to the OBDII port. But more to the point in my eyes and in the eyes of many in this community, whatever credibility he may have once had, he's frittered away in the last few days with his half coherent and misleading anti-JB4 rants. While his posts often embarrass himself, and lower the IQ of those of us forced to reply, the real victims here are his two customers duped in to liking his posts, no doubt so their technical support from him will continue.

 

[Blitz]

Unlikely he lets someone impartial (aka you) be the test car. I think that’s Terry’s point.

Offer is out there. Infer what you'd like from the response.

 

[brancky3]

I can't tell if you're serious. If I drive my car onto his dyno and do some pulls with ONLY his logging tools connected, I don't see how he could telekinetically blow my engine. I guess you think I'm dense and I'm just gonna let someone do random harmful shit to my car while I'm standing there?

I thought you meant he can borrow your JB4, not your car for testing. If Tork put a JB4 on his own car it will blow up somehow, guaranteed.

 

[Blitz]

Data presented is always based on the credibility of the person sharing it. Whatever data he comes up with he will ensure is bad. And he won't be able to use his logging tools with the JB4 attached to the OBDII port. But more to the point in my eyes and in the eyes of many in this community, whatever credibility he may have once had, he's frittered away in the last few days with his half coherent and misleading anti-JB4 rants. While his posts often embarrass himself, and lower the IQ of those of us forced to reply, the real victims here are his two customers duped in to liking his posts, no doubt so their technical support from him will continue.

Should be easy enough to use an OBDII splitter and run both JB4 logging and another logging device to ensure nothing is tampered with from either side. You have to know this already though?

 

[KLR STINGER]

Should be easy enough to use an OBDII splitter and run both JB4 logging and another logging device to ensure nothing is tampered with from either side. You have to know this already though?

Actually totally incorrect sir. But you don't know any better so I'll let your sarcastic, semi rhetorical question slide.

 

[TorkMe]

That's my issue with him, total lack of credibility. And now these guys are asking him to do JB4 testing? lol. 100% guarantee his testing ends in a blow engine.

Says the guy who was banned from a forum for unethical reasons. At least my getting banned from forums was because I was an a**hole, not stealing tunes from my competitor.

I 100% agree that our testing ends in a blown engine, that is the purpose of a test/shop car. Do you think AMS, ETS, English Racing, or any other speed shop sets records without an engine failure?

 

[Terry@BMS]

Should be easy enough to use an OBDII splitter and run both JB4 logging and another logging device to ensure nothing is tampered with from either side. You have to know this already though?

Only one diagnostic device can run at a time. If there are two devices with the same diagnostic ID on the CANbus the JB4 will shut down it's CANbus to avoid problems. It's not possible to run two OBDII devices simultaneously unless we were to make some special JB4 firmware that ran its sampling rate at a really slow speed which would then compromise the tuning.

 

[Terry@BMS]

Actually totally incorrect sir. But you don't know any better so I'll let your sarcastic, semi rhetorical question slide.

I really had to hold back from passively insulting the guy as he's a customer after all. And probably just doesn't know better. But sometimes I wonder about these people though. I chalk it up to being within 100 miles of JohnB as he has that effect on everyone around him.

 

[TorkMe]

Dude you have little to no knowledge on this subject (as usual) and everything John posted about plugs has nothing to do with the missfires that plague even stock cars. He's not even referencing the right type of issue these cars have. Increasing dwell gives the plug more energy from the coil. Closing the gap reduces the resistance in the air. Both do the same thing. Allow the plug to fire reliably. That's a plugs only job. There is no one way is better than the other argument to be had here. Can we all f*ck off already?

There is a problem with that plug gap analogy, a tighter plug gap will create a smaller point of ignition, ending in the possibility of incomplete burn inside the combustion chamber. An increase in coil dwell time, with a larger plug gap will have a higher possibility of a more complete burn of the compressed gasses inside the combustion chamber.

You always increase coil dwell time if available before you start closing gaps or going colder with the plugs, especially if we are talking about stockish cars.

I am not referencing the right type of issue with the missfires and plug damage, yet... we have seen this type of damage first hand

 

[TorkMe]

I really had to hold back from passively insulting the guy as he's a customer after all. And probably just doesn't know better. But sometimes I wonder about these people though. I chalk it up to being within 100 miles of JohnB as he has that effect on everyone around him.

And we are back to throwing insults? And not just at us, to everyone withing 100 miles of me