LAP3 Pro Tuner Review

ZyroXZ2

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The first thing I’ll discuss is that the wiring (or at least the appearance of) once you’ve taken it out of the box will look either a) intimidating, b) confusing, or c) downright ridiculous. The good news is that it’s all worth it.

The biggest thing to keep in mind is that you absolutely must set aside a decent amount of time to install this primarily because of the crank position sensor. This isn’t a 5-minute install. Fortunately, most of the connectors are literally plug and play, and from my pictures attached (minus the crank position sensor), you’ll find they’re no-brainers. The wire routing is entirely up to you, but I found that there is at least some level of “clean” wiring possible despite what at first appears to be out of a horror sci-fi movie meant to choke and install itself into your throat.













You’ll notice I opted out of wiring in the speed limiter removal. That’s far more “semi-permanent” in nature and I think the less obvious things under the hood, the easier this will be to deal with when it comes to stealership visits. Also, you’ll want to wrap these wires up to make sure they don’t touch each other if you opt out like I did. They apparently touched on mine and my engine threw a rod through the hood. Just kidding. But definitely wrap the two wires up separately.





Additionally, their instructions show going through a hole in the panel. That hole, however, does not go all the way through for me. You’ll notice I simply “unplugged” a part of the weatherstripping and used that gap. Completely reversible, and since I’ve driven through the some rain storms already, can also confirm there is no adverse affect.



About that crankshaft position sensor, it is best to remove the mid-pipe to do this. It is a VERY tight space, and I’m not even fat. Most of your time will be spent looking through small gaps to verify you’ve grabbed the right sensor, feeling for the release tab, and then single-handedly attaching the connector from the LAP3 chip to the old connector. Putting the new spliced connector back on is the easiest part. The vast majority of this part is spent using a single hand to connect the connectors. If you’re already good at that, then maybe it won’t take you 30 minutes. But it took me about 25-30 minutes to do this part.

Now on to the butt dyno part. Even with basic intake/exhaust mods, the leap in power is pretty damned substantial. It’s enough that I can’t actually quantify it with my butt except that my hole puckers much more than it did before the chip was installed. Prepare for a sudden jolt when you’re losing traction where you could once floor it and take off (and believe me, I’ve squirmed the rear end quite a bit on just half throttle at low speeds!). However, there are some things I find strange…

When switching between the modes, it seems that Mode 1 and 2 (M1 and M2) employ a less aggressive partial throttle response. When going to stock, my car practically lurches forward on partial throttle. Fortunately, I hate that. When going to M1 or M2, I notice a more linear pedal feel. If you enjoy that more sudden response, it seems to be reduced on the actual tuning maps. I’ve gone back and forth multiple times and confirmed for sure it’s not “just in my head”. Additionally, I carefully watched the tachometer, and low RPMs in the 1.5-2.5k see the needle “fluttering” a very, VERY tiny amount. Switch it back to stock, and it doesn’t do that. I’ve checked and re-checked every connector, and based off the insane sphincter muscles I’ve gained, the chip is working as intended.

To summarize, this thing is expensive and intimidating when you get it out of the box. But an hour or so later, it all becomes worth it. I can confidently say that I’m pushing 500HP, maybe even closer to 520HP. The pull is insane, and if you’ve got breathing modes in place like I do, the freeway is pretty much the only place you can even get on full throttle. And when you do, you’ll pull harder than 99.999% of drivers are expecting from a Kia. Prepare to deliver some butt hurt to unsuspecting ricers while your butt dyno is in for a sphincter muscle upgrade. :D
 
Nice review, but you only have an intake and exhaust and claiming 500-520whp or bhp?

No way it’s 500 to the wheels, and I’m still questioning 500bhp.
 
Nice write up!
 
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Nice review, but you only have an intake and exhaust and claiming 500-520whp or bhp?

No way it’s 500 to the wheels, and I’m still questioning 500bhp.

Since I haven't gone to the dyno, we're working on hypotheticals, but they're quite reasonable:

- Midpipe* 2.5" + secondary cat delete ~ 30WHP
- Catback* 2.5" (straight through, perforated core mufflers [Magnaflow]) ~ 10WHP
- Intake ~ 10WHP
- Chip ~ 70WHP (which is conservative according to their dyno runs)

That's 120WHP that's pretty comfortably added, and since my exhaust after the primaries and primary cats is all 2.5", there's quite a bit of breathing room there. If I swap primaries and add hi-flow cats, the chip turns more into 90WHP.

120WHP / .85 (15% drivetrain loss) = 141.18HP (I'll even round down to 140HP).

365HP + 140HP = 505HP. Sure, sounds lofty, but when I can't even half throttle it below 40MPH without squirreling about the rear, it starts to seem pretty damned real. That's why I even went up to 520HP in my review, but saying 500HP is not an unreasonable thing with my mods.

*I said "full exhaust" in my review to dictate these two combined since everyone would assume "catback" means from the secondary cats back. I had no idea how to combine the two, but didn't feel like separating out the midpipes and "catback" because _______.
***NOTE: Apparently, I didn't say "full" exhaust in my review... ah well, this is what happens when I work 60 hours a week :p***
 
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Ummmm @ZyroXZ2 again... whp or BHP? I could see 500 BHP, but we don’t make 365 to the wheels for one and rarely do mods stack in power like that, secondly.

Sounds like you are make quality power none the less.
 
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Ummmm @ZyroXZ2 again... whp or BHP? I could see 500 BHP, but we don’t make 365 to the wheels for one and rarely do mods stack in power like that, secondly.

Sounds like you are make quality power none the less.

... Dude, I don't want to be rude, but it's blatantly clear in my reply post where I add a "W" and remove the "W", and even run the basic drivetrain loss calculation. :whistle:
 
Ummmm @ZyroXZ2 again... whp or BHP? I could see 500 BHP, but we don’t make 365 to the wheels for one and rarely do mods stack in power like that, secondly.

Sounds like you are make quality power none the less.

I could beleive he's making 430+ wHP. That would translate to over 500 at the crank.
 
430 to the wheels is more than decent :)
 
... Dude, I don't want to be rude, but it's blatantly clear in my reply post where I add a "W" and remove the "W", and even run the basic drivetrain loss calculation. :whistle:

I’m sorry, I’ll make it blatantly clear....rarely do mods stack like that. Blatantly :whistle:

And to re-state, it SOUNDS like you are making great horsepower, blatantly.
 
I’m sorry, I’ll make it blatantly clear....rarely do mods stack like that. Blatantly :whistle:

And to re-state, it SOUNDS like you are making great horsepower, blatantly.

Ummmm... In what world do breathing mods NOT stack?! It's quite the opposite: almost all engine mods stack. Intake? More air in means more air out. So slap a better exhaust on there. More air out? You can put more air in. So tune it and make use of more air. I put roller rockers in my old car (1.85:1), "stacks" with the intake and exhaust because now I'm pulling more air in and pushing more air out. Ported the intake manifold, even more air in, had a 3" downpipe, hi flow cat, all the way back to dual 2.5".

This is the fundamental concept of "supporting" mods: you get more out of your mods by modding other things to support, or "stack" with it... Geez man, just let it go: I replied but you probably just skimmed it and didn't really read the reply, lol
 
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I will chime in also, I do believe the guy is referring to 500 crank hp. I will confirm the same, I don’t want to get into any arguments here, but... ride in a GT-2 Stinger on Mode 2 and then tell me it’s not 500 crank hp. For the haters on this forum, you would have no comment after the ride! The car straight up
Halls ass guys!! It’s a realistic fact the car puts out more hp then Kia claims from the factory, and Lap3USA is also humble in their claims as well. The car is MORE THEN ENOUGH, with the Pro Tuner on Mode -2. I can’t even think of what it’s like on Mode -3.
 
@ZyroXZ2 all I’m saying is you can’t look at dyno and say this intake makes 15whp, and this FMIC gains 25whp, and a catback gained 20whp and add them to 60whp... once you tune for all the mods you might make 65whp or maybe 58whp.

That’s all I’m saying. I agree you’re probably making close to that 500 BHP, but the cars are hitting a ceiling around that mark.
 
The vehicle has Turbos on it that are making quick spool and nice power. This is known as utilizing the most effective compressor map to give what people want. Ounce you reach a psi on the Turbo that is maxed on the compressor mapping of the Turbos, things can slow down. In essence, the Turbos are blowing hot air and this makes detonation and less power... therefore a Turbo upgrade would be in order. Lap3USA has already shown you this with the upcoming Turbo-(s) upgrades. And let me say this, with this Pro Tuner on Mode -2, it’s already way to much!!! You can’t even get on it!! That is unless you want to destroy the rear tires and go to jail. Car is Simply amazing and they did a phenomenal job on it!! It’s way over built!! I must say this
 
@ZyroXZ2 all I’m saying is you can’t look at dyno and say this intake makes 15whp, and this FMIC gains 25whp, and a catback gained 20whp and add them to 60whp... once you tune for all the mods you might make 65whp or maybe 58whp.

That’s all I’m saying. I agree you’re probably making close to that 500 BHP, but the cars are hitting a ceiling around that mark.

On a naturally aspirated car (which I've owned a few of), you'd be closer but still only partially correct as NA cars see a lot less benefit from breathing mods. It also depends on what mods are on the car when the part you're installing is dyno'd. Look at it this way: let's say an intake dynos 10WHP all by itself, and a catback dynos 10WHP all by itself. You install just the intake, you gain 10WHP. If you removed the intake and installed just the catback, you'd gain 10WHP. But are you saying if I installed my intake, adding my catback would only gain maybe 2WHP? You're saying I'd only gain a total of 12WHP if I installed both? We both know that's not true: you'd gain near or possibly even a smudge more than the 20WHP of the two added together. Your implication is the opposite: that mods are hurting each other, and if an intake dyno'd 10WHP, and a catback dyno'd 10WHP, that installing the intake hurts the efficiency of the catback and suddenly my catback is only good for 2WHP or that they hurt each other and now each is only making 6WHP.

Now in your defense, I come from a slightly older generation where dyno testing wasn't so good and many dyno runs for aftermarket parts were highly inaccurate or inflated by not disclosing the car had other mods that enhanced the efficiency of the one they were selling. Most people have wised up to that by now, and it is likely where you got the notion that mods don't "stack": you were just not making the advertised power... but it was no fault of your own, rather deceptive marketing. In my younger years, I initially fell for that, but soon wised up as I learned more about how car's really work, and I started to look more closely at mods on a car. Most companies and shops have now wised up, too, and it's why everyone always asks the first question of a dyno run on a new car part: "what other mods?". It's general knowledge that mods can and will affect other mods, or "stack" as you're saying. It's how in the old days, they'd advertise unreasonable gains on a part... that was installed in a cammed, bored and stroked engine with open headers or something, lol :rofl:

Look, I want everyone to be having fun and knowing what they're getting into. I think maybe you should invest in some of these mods: you might be surprised at how much power this car can make. Forced induction is a thing of beauty when it comes to modding. It's dangerous, but highly rewarding! It's a good thing we have two of them, then! :p
 
I wouldn’t be surprised at all, I’m sitting on intakes, custom mufflers, and JB4 on the fuel wires... I know what the car can do.
 
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I wouldn’t be surprised at all, I’m sitting on intakes, custom mufflers, and JB4 on the fuel wires... I know what the car can do.

You've got a major restriction to get rid of: the secondary cats and midpipes! Or even just go all out and do primaries with HFCs to straight midpipes. You'll believe the 500+HP pretty quickly once you get those parts out of the way, you've got 40WHP sitting there :laugh:
 
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38-40, lol
 
38-40, lol
Have you been able to do any comparisons with the JB4, I seen a guy on FB and you tube that went from the Jb4 to the lap 3 pro tuner and said that he felt the car was faster and it performed better....now that was his opinion....but what are your thoughts?
 
You've got a major restriction to get rid of: the secondary cats and midpipes! Or even just go all out and do primaries with HFCs to straight midpipes. You'll believe the 500+HP pretty quickly once you get those parts out of the way, you've got 40WHP sitting there :laugh:
Have you been able to do any comparisons with the JB4, I seen a guy on FB and you tube that went from the Jb4 to the lap 3 pro tuner and said that he felt the car was faster and it performed better....now that was his opinion....but what are your thoughts?
 
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