Kia Stinger facelift confirmed, next generation still up in the air

[Lawrence Williams]

I for one hope there is not a next gen. I like the exclusiveness of the Stinger. Less on the road the better. IMHO

But continue making the car, right?

 

[leecm]

I for one hope there is not a next gen. I like the exclusiveness of the Stinger. Less on the road the better. IMHO

Then it will be looked at less like an exclusive and pretty rare car but rather like the car that you rarely see because no one wanted it and it failed. Similar to how I feel about the Pontiac G8 before and after Pontiac shuttered. Also don't forget that the resell value will likely tank.

 

[Soca Boy]

I hope they keep making them, would be sweet if they made a electric or plug in hybrid version. Could be a decent alternative to the Model 3 and others.

 

[Peeso33]

But continue making the car, right?

Like a Jeep, do a model refresh every 10-15 years?

 

[MerlintheMad]

Like a Jeep, do a model refresh every 10-15 years?

That wouldn't bug be in the least: in fact, I'd prefer that Guillaume and Biermann's vision of a retro GT (albeit "redefined" by high tech goodies and features) continue unsullied by the ideas of the unappreciative. Include in that any talk of turning the Stinger into an EV. Bleh

 

[Lawrence Williams]

Like a Jeep, do a model refresh every 10-15 years?

The Miata has changed very little over the 30yrs since its inception

 

[Waynerm002]

They just need to add a factory performance tuned version to the lineup. Like Volvo, for a grand you get an engine tune to bump the power however, it should also modify the adaptive suspension in the GT1 and GT2 models. Or they could do a like BMW and make a track focused, GT-S for say $3K more and add bigger wheels/tires, upgraded brakes and rotors, uprated suspension (springs, sway bars, sporty shock tune) and an engine tune. Currently, BMW are making a number of non M cars, which are really M-Sport versions with performance bits and looks, like the new 3 M340i, They could do it for the 2.5T as a start and then on the GT line. Just a thought.

 

[Lawrence Williams]

I'm not trying to start anything but what's the obsession with power increases? To me this is a semi-luxury sedan with as many bells n whistles that you can have and practicality to boot......with this desire for 4,5,600 hp you're pricing it out of the range designed for....JMHO

 

[MerlintheMad]

I'm not trying to start anything but what's the obsession with power increases? To me this is a semi-luxury sedan with as many bells n whistles that you can have and practicality to boot......with this desire for 4,5,600 hp you're pricing it out of the range designed for....JMHO

Wayne's ideas are moderate; not 4,5,600 HP. So, not pricing it out of range. Another three Grand wouldn't appeal to most buyers for such performance upgrade goodies. But it would be a bargain for modder mentality not wanting to have to bother shopping around for all the bits and pieces, for months.

 

[Bobby Scotty]

I think it would be disappointing if Kia threw in the towel on the stinger. In 2021. They were happy with the 16-17,000 stingers they sold in 2018, sales in 2019 were down a little bit but still reported 12-14000 sales by November of this last year (no December or year totals yet that I could find).

 

[Lawrence Williams]

Wayne's ideas are moderate; not 4,5,600 HP. So, not pricing it out of range. Another three Grand wouldn't appeal to most buyers for such performance upgrade goodies. But it would be a bargain for modder mentality not wanting to have to bother shopping around for all the bits and pieces, for months.

But aren't 365 hp enough at this price point and other amenities associated? Paying sub 50k getting bells n whistles with a quick, good looking sportback. ....and yet we act insatiable. ...smh

 

[Bobby Scotty]

Then it will be looked at less like an exclusive and pretty rare car but rather like the car that you rarely see because no one wanted it and it failed. Similar to how I feel about the Pontiac G8 before and after Pontiac shuttered. Also don't forget that the resell value will likely tank.

I haven’t seen much press about the stinger being a bad investment. Most articles and reviews I’ve seen have been positive.

 

[BlueByYouGT]

I'm not trying to start anything but what's the obsession with power increases? To me this is a semi-luxury sedan with as many bells n whistles that you can have and practicality to boot......with this desire for 4,5,600 hp you're pricing it out of the range designed for....JMHO

It wouldn't cost Hyundai/Kia anything to increase the 3.3TT hp. They wouldn't necessarily have to charge more for the car. That would make the Stinger that much more of a bargain over the German rivals.

The only real reasons Hyundai/Kia have for keeping the 3.3TT with its current specs is fuel economy and wear and tear/warranty considerations.

 

[Lawrence Williams]

It wouldn't cost Hyundai/Kia anything to increase the 3.3TT hp. They wouldn't necessarily have to charge more for the car. That would make the Stinger that much more of a bargain over the German rivals.

The only real reasons Hyundai/Kia have for keeping the 3.3TT with its current specs is fuel economy and wear and tear/warranty considerations.

Still doesn't answer the question as to why? Why the obsession with unadulterated power? Is this designed for tracking? During my research, the last thing I looked for was that....I drove a CTS-v.....crazy power

 

[BlueByYouGT]

Still doesn't answer the question as to why? Why the obsession with unadulterated power? Is this designed for tracking? During my research, the last thing I looked for was that....I drove a CTS-v.....crazy power

I mean, I suppose Kia could have only released the Stinger with a naturally aspirated 4 cylinder. I believe the point of having more power is that they can advertise better performance figures, make themselves a stronger competitor, etc. And some people just enjoy throwing themselves back into their seat. Adrenaline and all that....

If Kia made a 400 hp $39k Stinger (base GT) they would be able to advertise the Stinger as the only 4 door hatchback with 400 hp for under $39k. With the increased performance figures they could probably then even call it the fastest sedan for under $39k.

It's win win. Unless the extra power causes issues for the 100k mile warranty.

 

[Lawrence Williams]

I mean, I suppose Kia could have only released the Stinger with a naturally aspirated 4 cylinder. I believe the point of having more power is that they can advertise better performance figures, make themselves a stronger competitor, etc. And some people just enjoy throwing themselves back into their seat. Adrenaline and all that....

If Kia made a 400 hp $39k Stinger (base GT) they would be able to advertise the Stinger as the only 4 door hatchback with 400 hp for under $39k. With the increased performance figures they could probably then even call it the fastest sedan for under $39k.

It's win win. Unless the extra power causes issues for the 100k mile warranty.

Is there a car under 40k with 400hp ? Is there one with 365hp? Is 35hp a big difference? We have a twin turbo assist....doesn't that help? I'm super new to this .....never owned a car with this much.....driven cars but never owned

 

[Kimberly Lazarski]

There is never enough power and torque. Too much is not enough. That's why when many people build a car, they'll build and rebuild and rebuild again, when 450whp, 500whp, 600whp, etc. isn't enough. When people buy Demons or ZR1s or ZL1s, they tune them - cars that come bone stock with 650+ bhp. It's an addiction.

 

[Lawrence Williams]

There is never enough power and torque. Too much is not enough. That's why when many people build a car, they'll build and rebuild and rebuild again, when 450whp, 500whp, 600whp, etc. isn't enough. When people buy Demons or ZR1s or ZL1s, they tune them - cars that come bone stock with 650+ bhp. It's an addiction.

But our cars are in the semi-luxury vein, no? Enough power to be relevant but still a compliant machine....grand touring? Hello? Lol

 

[Kimberly Lazarski]

For a long time (when emissions killed C3 performance) the Corvette became a bloated GT rather than a pure sportscar, and people still built them up, customized, and tuned them. Heck, people tune minivans, old boxy volvos (just plain safe family cars), and one person took a last-generation Saab 9-5, converted it to RWD and managed to shove a Viper GTS engine under the hood. Don't forget that the AMG Hammer that

It's not for you; I get that. But some of us want to tune the drivetrain and suspension for performance -- to heck with the soft ride. We like the lines and the interior and the potential the platform provides. The G70 sibling shows what the platform is capable of with minor tweaks, but by comparison the interior and exterior are less exciting than the Stinger, and the back seat in the G70 is useless for adults.

And... other people may want to mod the car for a softer ride and hang fuzzy dice from the mirror and maybe bedazzle the dashboard, or rice it out with double-decker wings, lower the car and dial in a crapton of negative camber for the "stanced" look and slap on a few greddy turbo and thrush muffler decals.

If everyone had your mindset, Mercedes would never have made the AMG hammer, because the car it was built on was a luxury GT, and we wouldn't have today's AMG lineup.

It's also worth pointing out the CTS-V is built on a luxury GT platform. I've ridden in and driven a built+tuned CTS-V and it was phenomenal.

Different strokes for different folks.

 

[Lawrence Williams]

For a long time (when emissions killed C3 performance) the Corvette became a bloated GT rather than a pure sportscar, and people still built them up, customized, and tuned them. Heck, people tune minivans, old boxy volvos (just plain safe family cars), and one person took a last-generation Saab 9-5, converted it to RWD and managed to shove a Viper GTS engine under the hood. Don't forget that the AMG Hammer that

It's not for you; I get that. But some of us want to tune the drivetrain and suspension for performance -- to heck with the soft ride. We like the lines and the interior and the potential the platform provides. The G70 sibling shows what the platform is capable of with minor tweaks, but by comparison the interior and exterior are less exciting than the Stinger, and the back seat in the G70 is useless for adults.

And... other people may want to mod the car for a softer ride and hang fuzzy dice from the mirror and maybe bedazzle the dashboard, or rice it out with double-decker wings, lower the car and dial in a crapton of negative camber for the "stanced" look and slap on a few greddy turbo and thrush muffler decals.

If everyone had your mindset, Mercedes would never have made the AMG hammer, because the car it was built on was a luxury GT, and we wouldn't have today's AMG lineup.

It's also worth pointing out the CTS-V is built on a luxury GT platform. I've ridden in and driven a built+tuned CTS-V and it was phenomenal.

Different strokes for different folks.

No just get a different car! The Stinger is a GT ; semi-luxury sedan. ...... asking it to match up with M series or AMG is kinda ridiculous.....now can you take the platform and move to the next level including cost? Sure but to take a 2yr car and want a massive overhaul doesn't make sense.

I appreciate the speed component and I've driven a CTS-v, viper, vette......fun
Looking at a newly developed Stinger to make that leap in year 4 is a bit much.....

Insatiable desire misplaced can lead to a whirlwind of issues