Drag/Acceleration Kia Stinger 1/4 Mile Times

[Angel]

So get to the track and get to work on getting your Stinger in the 11s!

Check the weather in Chicago .... it is snowing lol

Thank you for clarifying your experience but it’s obvious you’ve only roll raced once, because your knowledge of how a roll race would work in the real world is extremely lacking...

You can’t take results from a 1/4m run that starts from a dig and accurately use it to represent a roll race. Since your car had the AWD traction advantage you were already accelerating faster to 60mph. Terry had to limit boost in gears 1-2, so acceleration in your comparison isn’t equal and can’t be used to represent a roll race.

However your numbers do prove Terry was already gaining on within your 60-90 example. During the 60-80 time your 0.1 quicker, but the 60-90 time is cut in half to 0.05 difference. So at full boost after 2nd gear(60mph) he’s already gaining on you. Meaning, if you both really started from a roll at 60mph he’d immediately start walking away from you. And by 130 the .76sec difference would be car lengths!

I’m sorry to keep disproving your “indisputable data”, but it’s misleading when you keep trying to make up facts.

You should be happy you’re the quickest Stinger on record with the best 0-60 & 1/4m ETs. But your AWD advantage is a disadvantage in any roll race and no matter what you show in your logs/graphs will prove otherwise. Terry or any RWD Stinger with a JB4 and similar upgrades(intake, WMI, drag radials) will walk on you in a roll race. It’s just how physics work.

Again, I’m not trying to take sides or take anything away from your records or accomplishments. I’m simply trying to clarify what each set of statistics represent, and what the true differences are between your AWD Tork tune and a RWD JB4 chip. Both are amazing & have extremely similar performance improvements, but according to the results in this tread the facts are simple.

AWD with Tork tune & multiple bolt-ons makes the “quickest” 0-60 & 1/4m ET Stinger, but RWD with JB4 & WMI with less bolt-ons makes the “fastest” Stinger to date. That being said, tuned AWD Stingers will be quickest for dig or stoplight racing which RWD Stingers will be extremely jealous of(me included). But tuned RWD Stingers will win the roll races with AWD Stingers like yourself, wishing they could compete.

Don’t take this the wrong way and no disrespect, but please be happy with your multiple recordsand just leave the inexperience with the “fastest” Stinger and all the “roll racing” talk go.

Lol ..... again I don’t think it’s a fair comparison to compare and awd Tork tune to rwd jb4.... what needs to be compared is a jb4 awd to a Tork tune awd .... from what I read so far and seen the ecu tunes cars seem to be slightly faster ... just my 2 cents but I agree all this technical talk makes my head hurt ....

I think everyone forgets that! I've had 20 years of 1/4 mile racing, at various tracks. BIG time variables.

Angel, I dunno what you have it in for with the draggy, but the comparisons we have seen here from timeslips to draggy times is unreal. Most are within .005 with the draggy reading slower than the timeslips.

I have nothing against draggy .... all I said is I bet stung won’t have an 11 second pass at the track with just jb4 and dump valves ... that’s all I said .... look I get most people here have draggys and the fastest time are with draggy I can see why some of you guys get sentive about the subject .... in my opinion there is only one 11 second car to date so far and that’s tork .... and please before I get called a Tork fan boy I am far from it lol ... I think that something that other would agree .. I am just being real .... I really don’t understand why terry has not hit a track yet .... terry aren’t you in California dude ?? I would love to terry hit the strip and hit an 11 second pass ...but let’s see what this summer brings I know there will be some 11 second passes this summer ... I bet tonka, bears for life , and Anthony and possibly me as far as people I know will possibly reach 11 at the track ... only time will tell ... that when I give Tork credit they actually post the results from the track ....

 

[Tonkabob]

Thank you for clarifying your experience but it’s obvious you’ve only roll raced once, because your knowledge of how a roll race would work in the real world is extremely lacking...

You can’t take results from a 1/4m run that starts from a dig and accurately use it to represent a roll race. Since your car had the AWD traction advantage you were already accelerating faster to 60mph. Terry had to limit boost in gears 1-2, so acceleration in your comparison isn’t equal and can’t be used to represent a roll race.

However your numbers do prove Terry was already gaining on within your 60-90 example. During the 60-80 time your 0.1 quicker, but the 60-90 time is cut in half to 0.05 difference. So at full boost after 2nd gear(60mph) he’s already gaining on you. Meaning, if you both really started from a roll at 60mph he’d immediately start walking away from you. And by 130 the .76sec difference would be car lengths!

I’m sorry to keep disproving your “indisputable data”, but it’s misleading when you keep trying to make up facts.

You should be happy you’re the quickest Stinger on record with the best 0-60 & 1/4m ETs. But your AWD advantage is a disadvantage in any roll race and no matter what you show in your logs/graphs will prove otherwise. Terry or any RWD Stinger with a JB4 and similar upgrades(intake, WMI, drag radials) will walk on you in a roll race. It’s just how physics work.

Again, I’m not trying to take sides or take anything away from your records or accomplishments. I’m simply trying to clarify what each set of statistics represent, and what the true differences are between your AWD Tork tune and a RWD JB4 chip. Both are amazing & have extremely similar performance improvements, but according to the results in this tread the facts are simple.

AWD with Tork tune & multiple bolt-ons makes the “quickest” 0-60 & 1/4m ET Stinger, but RWD with JB4 & WMI with less bolt-ons makes the “fastest” Stinger to date. That being said, tuned AWD Stingers will be quickest for dig or stoplight racing which RWD Stingers will be extremely jealous of(me included). But tuned RWD Stingers will win the roll races with AWD Stingers like yourself, wishing they could compete.

Don’t take this the wrong way and no disrespect, but please be happy with your multiple recordsand just leave the inexperience with the “fastest” Stinger and all the “roll racing” talk go.

No offense taken. I don't claim to be a roll racer with my heavy awd noer do i have any interest in it. I just try to show that some of the jb4s strugle below 90 mph where the shifting happens. I was already fast shifting and running 11.98 and with a tune update that made shifting even faster dropped to 11.78. (No changes to timimg or boost) I suspect I'm only making 430-435 hp but my car makes good use of it.
I'll let Tork take the roll racing title.

 

[Ahawk1968]

Angel, I was just agreeing, and verifying the statement that there are a lot of variables in comparing times. Two identical cars in different parts of the country can run VASTLY different times. Been there. Done that. Density altitude is a bitch. .

 

[Angel]

Angel, I was just agreeing, and verifying the statement that there are a lot of variables in comparing times. Two identical cars in different parts of the country can run VASTLY different times. Been there. Done that. Density altitude is a bitch. .

Agree with you ... my point is that for me a track time is more valid than a draggy time hence all things equal ....that’s all

 

[Blitz]

So...

First thing I want to say is that comparing YOUR times to OTHERS times should not be frowned upon. We ALL do it. That's why we buy a JB4 after seeing Terry's success with the system, or a Tork tune, after seeing Tonkabob's/Tork's success with the tune. Everyone on this forum is searching for others' findings on what works and what doesn't.

Another note, things SHOULD be questioned when they seem suspicious, and it shouldn't be taken as a personal attack when someone wonders how you're getting what you're getting. It's your choice to share or not to share obviously, but if you expect people to believe something that is clearly an outlier, you gotta be willing to prove it. I'm not going to passive aggressively make snarky comments.

Everyone has seen GetStung's 11.98 quarter mile that just blasted into the top 5. He was running exhaust cutouts and a JB4 on map 2 on 93 octane. For those of us keeping up with what it takes to be fast, this time is clearly an outlier. NOONE is running 11s on map2. 0 people. Not even Terry, who has access to any and everything that the JB4 can do. So when a time like this is posted, people like me want to know how WE can get there. What is the difference between this car and ours or others' cars??

As Terry says, "There is no magic in tuning and racing. Whatever the difference is will show in the data logs."

And as Get Stung says "There are a lot of variables, people look at mods and start doing math, it's bad math. Plug gap, fuel wires,proper installation of add ons, wheel pressure, temp, too many. At this moment I have the right combo. Also I've been drag racing cars and bikes since the late 80s. I've got a clue, many do not."

I can agree that doing math based off of grey assumptions is bad math. I was a test engineer for years.

So let's do good math.

I have 2 1/4 mile runs logged in both dragy and JB4. a 12.53 and a 12.57. The JB4 logs every .2 seconds. So let's see if they match!

We will start at the last log before we are moving. The "frame" before we have any momentum. In my spreadsheet, that is row 7.

I ran a 12.57@114.62. So we will take the "frame" where I hit 114 or higher as our last frame. We are going to have an inconcsistency here, as we can only see every .2 seconds. So we will leave an inconsistency of .4 seconds. That is 1 frame at the beginning of the run, and one at the end, in case we really got going RIGHT after or before our checkin with the JB4. It's huge, but necessary for this. The frame where I hit 114 on my spreadsheet is row 70. So let's do the math.

70-7 = 63. 63 x .2 = 12.6 On the money.

Same thing for our 12.53@114.68 run. Last 0 frame is 55. Frame where I hit 114 or higher is 116

116-55 = 61. 61 x .2 = 12.2 - Within the .4 second error window we established.

GetStungs log.

He ran an 11.98@116.81

Last 0 frame is 7. Frame where he hit 116 is 72

72-7 = 65. 65 x .2 = 13.0 We will give ALL of the .4 second error window here. 12.6. A pretty good time for a JB4 Map2 user with a free exhaust and no intake. Over a half a second slower than his dragy time.

My question is. Is the JB4 wrong or is the dragy wrong. Other JB4 users, can you match your times to your logs. Terry, how close are you getting?If you don't have the time send me your dragy time and your log and I WILL do the math.

I expect to get some hate for this post, but someone has to challenge people if there are inconsistencies and I don't want to do it behind peoples' backs or passive aggressively. If people don't know what they should be around, it's really hard to tell when they are having problems they can't see. Everyone else I have seen has had times that make sense. There ARE unloggable factors, but they shouldn't be contributing this kind of time difference, and his times are consistent on different days. He is banging out 4 second 0-60s on the way to the grocery store. HOW?

I have no problem being proven wrong. Double check my math. Do it yourself. If other JB4 users come forward and show that the JB4 isn't accurate, the point really means nothing. If GetStung can provide some logs where his dragy and JB4 are in sync, it means nothing. So far, any attempt to determine the accuracy of his dragy has been basically ignored. Put it on a stock stinger. Put it on anything that we have a baseline of. Trade someone for a day. The times don't make sense. Something is not right here. Nobody has seen times like these. We SHOULD be questioning when someone is so far off of the established norm.

 

[Angel]

I will answer y

So...

First thing I want to say is that comparing YOUR times to OTHERS times should not be frowned upon. We ALL do it. That's why we buy a JB4 after seeing Terry's success with the system, or a Tork tune, after seeing Tonkabob's/Tork's success with the tune. Everyone on this forum is searching for others' findings on what works and what doesn't.

Another note, things SHOULD be questioned when they seem suspicious, and it shouldn't be taken as a personal attack when someone wonders how you're getting what you're getting. It's your choice to share or not to share obviously, but if you expect people to believe something that is clearly an outlier, you gotta be willing to prove it. I'm not going to passive aggressively make snarky comments.

Everyone has seen GetStung's 11.98 quarter mile that just blasted into the top 5. He was running exhaust cutouts and a JB4 on map 2 on 93 octane. For those of us keeping up with what it takes to be fast, this time is clearly an outlier. NOONE is running 11s on map2. 0 people. Not even Terry, who has access to any and everything that the JB4 can do. So when a time like this is posted, people like me want to know how WE can get there. What is the difference between this car and ours or others' cars??

As Terry says, "There is no magic in tuning and racing. Whatever the difference is will show in the data logs."

And as Get Stung says "There are a lot of variables, people look at mods and start doing math, it's bad math. Plug gap, fuel wires,proper installation of add ons, wheel pressure, temp, too many. At this moment I have the right combo. Also I've been drag racing cars and bikes since the late 80s. I've got a clue, many do not."

I can agree that doing math based off of grey assumptions is bad math. I was a test engineer for years.

So let's do good math.

I have 2 1/4 mile runs logged in both dragy and JB4. a 12.53 and a 12.57. The JB4 logs every .2 seconds. So let's see if they match!

We will start at the last log before we are moving. The "frame" before we have any momentum. In my spreadsheet, that is row 7.

I ran a 12.57@114.62. So we will take the "frame" where I hit 114 or higher as our last frame. We are going to have an inconcsistency here, as we can only see every .2 seconds. So we will leave an inconsistency of .4 seconds. That is 1 frame at the beginning of the run, and one at the end, in case we really got going RIGHT after or before our checkin with the JB4. It's huge, but necessary for this. The frame where I hit 114 on my spreadsheet is row 70. So let's do the math.

70-7 = 63. 63 x .2 = 12.6 On the money.

Same thing for our 12.53@114.68 run. Last 0 frame is 55. Frame where I hit 114 or higher is 116

116-55 = 61. 61 x .2 = 12.2 - Within the .4 second error window we established.

GetStungs log.

He ran an 11.98@116.81

Last 0 frame is 7. Frame where he hit 116 is 72

72-7 = 65. 65 x .2 = 13.0 We will give ALL of the .4 second error window here. 12.6. A pretty good time for a JB4 Map2 user with a free exhaust and no intake. Over a half a second slower than his dragy time.

My question is. Is the JB4 wrong or is the dragy wrong. Other JB4 users, can you match your times to your logs. Terry, how close are you getting?If you don't have the time send me your dragy time and your log and I WILL do the math.

I expect to get some hate for this post, but someone has to challenge people if there are inconsistencies and I don't want to do it behind peoples' backs or passive aggressively. If people don't know what they should be around, it's really hard to tell when they are having problems they can't see. Everyone else I have seen has had times that make sense. There ARE unloggable factors, but they shouldn't be contributing this kind of time difference, and his times are consistent on different days. He is banging out 4 second 0-60s on the way to the grocery store. HOW?

I have no problem being proven wrong. Double check my math. Do it yourself. If other JB4 users come forward and show that the JB4 isn't accurate, the point really means nothing. If GetStung can provide some logs where his dragy and JB4 are in sync, it means nothing. So far, any attempt to determine the accuracy of his dragy has been basically ignored. Put it on a stock stinger. Put it on anything that we have a baseline of. Trade someone for a day. The times don't make sense. Something is not right here. Nobody has seen times like these. We SHOULD be questioning when someone is so far off of the established norm.

i will answer your long post with one sentence ... it’s the draggy..... like I said before and I will keep saying and I know I will get backlash .... I guarantee he won’t run that time at the track .... I hope his summer he hits the track and post the time ... only time will tell .....

 

[Get Stung]

So...

First thing I want to say is that comparing YOUR times to OTHERS times should not be frowned upon. We ALL do it. That's why we buy a JB4 after seeing Terry's success with the system, or a Tork tune, after seeing Tonkabob's/Tork's success with the tune. Everyone on this forum is searching for others' findings on what works and what doesn't.

Another note, things SHOULD be questioned when they seem suspicious, and it shouldn't be taken as a personal attack when someone wonders how you're getting what you're getting. It's your choice to share or not to share obviously, but if you expect people to believe something that is clearly an outlier, you gotta be willing to prove it. I'm not going to passive aggressively make snarky comments.

Everyone has seen GetStung's 11.98 quarter mile that just blasted into the top 5. He was running exhaust cutouts and a JB4 on map 2 on 93 octane. For those of us keeping up with what it takes to be fast, this time is clearly an outlier. NOONE is running 11s on map2. 0 people. Not even Terry, who has access to any and everything that the JB4 can do. So when a time like this is posted, people like me want to know how WE can get there. What is the difference between this car and ours or others' cars??

As Terry says, "There is no magic in tuning and racing. Whatever the difference is will show in the data logs."

And as Get Stung says "There are a lot of variables, people look at mods and start doing math, it's bad math. Plug gap, fuel wires,proper installation of add ons, wheel pressure, temp, too many. At this moment I have the right combo. Also I've been drag racing cars and bikes since the late 80s. I've got a clue, many do not."

I can agree that doing math based off of grey assumptions is bad math. I was a test engineer for years.

So let's do good math.

I have 2 1/4 mile runs logged in both dragy and JB4. a 12.53 and a 12.57. The JB4 logs every .2 seconds. So let's see if they match!

We will start at the last log before we are moving. The "frame" before we have any momentum. In my spreadsheet, that is row 7.

I ran a 12.57@114.62. So we will take the "frame" where I hit 114 or higher as our last frame. We are going to have an inconcsistency here, as we can only see every .2 seconds. So we will leave an inconsistency of .4 seconds. That is 1 frame at the beginning of the run, and one at the end, in case we really got going RIGHT after or before our checkin with the JB4. It's huge, but necessary for this. The frame where I hit 114 on my spreadsheet is row 70. So let's do the math.

70-7 = 63. 63 x .2 = 12.6 On the money.

Same thing for our 12.53@114.68 run. Last 0 frame is 55. Frame where I hit 114 or higher is 116

116-55 = 61. 61 x .2 = 12.2 - Within the .4 second error window we established.

GetStungs log.

He ran an 11.98@116.81

Last 0 frame is 7. Frame where he hit 116 is 72

72-7 = 65. 65 x .2 = 13.0 We will give ALL of the .4 second error window here. 12.6. A pretty good time for a JB4 Map2 user with a free exhaust and no intake. Over a half a second slower than his dragy time.

My question is. Is the JB4 wrong or is the dragy wrong. Other JB4 users, can you match your times to your logs. Terry, how close are you getting?If you don't have the time send me your dragy time and your log and I WILL do the math.

I expect to get some hate for this post, but someone has to challenge people if there are inconsistencies and I don't want to do it behind peoples' backs or passive aggressively. If people don't know what they should be around, it's really hard to tell when they are having problems they can't see. Everyone else I have seen has had times that make sense. There ARE unloggable factors, but they shouldn't be contributing this kind of time difference, and his times are consistent on different days. He is banging out 4 second 0-60s on the way to the grocery store. HOW?

I have no problem being proven wrong. Double check my math. Do it yourself. If other JB4 users come forward and show that the JB4 isn't accurate, the point really means nothing. If GetStung can provide some logs where his dragy and JB4 are in sync, it means nothing. So far, any attempt to determine the accuracy of his dragy has been basically ignored. Put it on a stock stinger. Put it on anything that we have a baseline of. Trade someone for a day. The times don't make sense. Something is not right here. Nobody has seen times like these. We SHOULD be questioning when someone is so far off of the established norm.

Lol, anyone live in the albany area, byod, Let's give it a try. Springs coming I wouldnt get too excited I will send her down the track. I'm comfortable with the time, she stands up and shouts. I was running consistent 12. teens and no one had issue. Add dump valves drop .18 and they all get excited. Over it, bring your own dragy come for a ride.

 

[TwinSnails]

Where’s the log? All I see is the math, lol. I’m tracking with you, but essentially it appears that based on your formula, you could compute “predicted” 1/4 Mile from JB4 alone...

I mean I’m pretty sure several of my logs top 120mph.

 

[brancky3]

One thing you're overlooking - how many other times have been posted from a run with 17 degree ambient temperature? This is gold for turbo cars (cold, dense air) and nobody seems to understand how important that is.

 

[Kamauxx]

So...

First thing I want to say is that comparing YOUR times to OTHERS times should not be frowned upon. We ALL do it. That's why we buy a JB4 after seeing Terry's success with the system, or a Tork tune, after seeing Tonkabob's/Tork's success with the tune. Everyone on this forum is searching for others' findings on what works and what doesn't.

Nah, not everyone. I was actually one of the beta testers for the JB4. I got it in March before Terry even had his Stinger. There was no one to compare it to. I had no idea what to expect. I didn't buy it because I wanted to do what others were. I've said before, I'm no racer. I'm a much simpler specimen. Like Ricky Bobby, I just wanna go fast.

 

[TwinSnails]

^^^ As long as the tires hook, FI cars love the cold air.

What is everyone elevation? And does dragy convert that?

 

[Get Stung]

It's the 60ft shhhh

 

[Angel]

Lol, anyone live in the albany area, byod, Let's give it a try. Springs coming I wouldnt get too excited I will send her down the track. I'm comfortable with the time, she stands up and shouts. I was running consistent 12. teens and no one had issue. Add dump valves drop .18 and they all get excited. Over it, bring your own dragy come for a ride.

That’s the spirit .... bring her to the track on spring time and post the times and put all doubters to rest .... I agree .....

 

[brancky3]

What is everyone elevation? And does dragy convert that?

No, it does not calculate for altitude.

 

[Blitz]

Lol, anyone live in the albany area, byod, Let's give it a try. Springs coming I wouldnt get too excited I will send her down the track. I'm comfortable with the time, she stands up and shouts. I was running consistent 12. teens and no one had issue. Add dump valves drop .18 and they all get excited. Over it, bring your own dragy come for a ride.

I feel you. I'm not saying you're lying. Obviously your dragy is showing those times. It would be dope of you to do some other testing on it.

Where’s the log? All I see is the math, lol. I’m tracking with you, but essentially it appears that based on your formula, you could compute “predicted” 1/4 Mile from JB4 alone...

I mean I’m pretty sure several of my logs top 120mph.

Not what I'm saying. What I'm saying is, if your dragy says you went from 0-114 in 12.5 seconds, when you look at your JB4 and take that same speed difference on that exact run, it should mesh and say it took you around 12.5 seconds. If the JB4 says it took you 20 seconds from when stopped to when 114, something isn't reading correctly. This CANNOT be used to get 1/4 mile times from the JB4, as you would have no way of counting the distance. I will link all 3 logs compared with this post.

One thing you're overlooking - how many other times have been posted from a run with 17 degree ambient temperature? This is gold for turbo cars (cold, dense air) and nobody seems to understand how important that is.

Which is why I took my Agency intakes off and switched back to stock last night. I had the same thoughts, and wondered if the ~45 degree air would just be straight up better than the airflow advantage of the aftermarket intakes. It was a long shot. I did it anyways. Added .2 to my 0-60 going back to the stock intakes with much colder air. Intakes ARE very effective. In my testing at least.

It's the 60ft shhhh

Your 60' is money. The other thing I saw from your logs is that your launch control is was almost 100 rpm higher than mine. I'm looking into that still. Any more logs would be amazing. I am really glad you aren't taking this shitty btw. I am just trying to SLEUTH this shit the best I can.

 

[TwinSnails]

@Blitz I hope you sleuth it.... it’s running you crazy bro. His logs look solid, good enough to pull low 12’s all day.

 

[Blitz]

@Blitz I hope you sleuth it.... it’s running you crazy bro. His logs look solid, good enough to pull low 12’s all day.

LOL. Nah, just my personality type. I'm a tinkerer and I love a good problem to solve. It actually keeps me happier than having nothing to focus on! I have huge spreadsheets for my gym workouts and progress too. Just the kind of person I am!

 

[Tonkabob]

I feel you. I'm not saying you're lying. Obviously your dragy is showing those times. It would be dope of you to do some other testing on it.



Not what I'm saying. What I'm saying is, if your dragy says you went from 0-114 in 12.5 seconds, when you look at your JB4 and take that same speed difference on that exact run, it should mesh and say it took you around 12.5 seconds. If the JB4 says it took you 20 seconds from when stopped to when 114, something isn't reading correctly. This CANNOT be used to get 1/4 mile times from the JB4, as you would have no way of counting the distance. I will link all 3 logs compared with this post.



Which is why I took my Agency intakes off and switched back to stock last night. I had the same thoughts, and wondered if the ~45 degree air would just be straight up better than the airflow advantage of the aftermarket intakes. It was a long shot. I did it anyways. Added .2 to my 0-60 going back to the stock intakes with much colder air. Intakes ARE very effective. In my testing at least.



Your 60' is money. The other thing I saw from your logs is that your launch control is was almost 100 rpm higher than mine. I'm looking into that still. Any more logs would be amazing. I am really glad you aren't taking this shitty btw. I am just trying to SLEUTH this shit the best I can.

You are right Blitz on most of this. But if the run is off so is the 60 foot so its not really "money".
I also noticed the huge discrepency in the log vs dragy.
Even before the dump valves these numbers where out liers. Jb4 has 500 Stingers sold so out liers do stand out.
I am a bit of an outlier too since I'm also .4 or .5 faster than i should be but I'm one of 2 tork ecu beta tunes and we are both in the 11s. Plus Blitz just used my dragy on my track with awd, jb4 intake and dp and ran 12.5s.
Pretty easy for Stung to run map 0 and close the dumper and run a 0-60 dragy and log but hasn't. Blitz pulled off his intake cause Stung was getting better results which is ridiculous, but a good test for the community.
So run near stock or run two dragy.
There is no way a catback jb4 map2 93 octane runs 12.1. Terry knows this but doesn't want to turn down the free advertising.
And its not just intake temps cause blitz ran very close temps with same timing and 1 more lb boost.

 

[TwinSnails]

@Tonkabob why throw Terry into it? I was with you until then, that’s no different then saying my tires are spinning and I need to call HarmonKardon.

The dragy is a device... either accept the outlier, or don’t. The dragy is meant to compare mods and give you an idea of it worked or not. Instead it has become DEFINITIVE proof.

Divide the 1/4 mile times... Dragy times and true track times. Problem solved... gives some validity to the times. It should have been that way originally not just the *.

 

[brancky3]

There is no way a catback jb4 map2 93 octane runs 12.1. Terry knows this but doesn't want to turn down the free advertising.

Since you seem to know so much about literally every aspect of drag racing and ECU tuning recently, can you please post another JB4 map 2 Dragy with a 60ft under 1.9 but running slower than 12.1? It would help to understand where you're pulling these comparisons from.