Is 17,000 Units success ............I would say yes........vs BMW , Audi and Lexus

Why are we comparing these two cars anyway? They aren’t even in the same class. The Alfa is more comparable in size and weight to the Optima than it is to the Stinger.

Both the Alfa and the Stinger are beautiful cars and were released around the same time but that’s really where the similarities end.
Really? ....just because Kia uses all steel rather than modern materials in their cars you think weight is relevant? Are you really comparing a Giulia RWD GT to an econobox inspired FWD Optima? Oh man! ...you are a goner.
 
Really? ....just because Kia uses all steel rather than modern materials in their cars you think weight is relevant? Are you really comparing a Giulia RWD GT to an econobox inspired FWD Optima? Oh man! ...you are a goner.

That is the dumbest thing I’ve read here yet. Weight is always relevant and I said size and weight. The Alfa is a bit smaller than an Audi A4, which I happen to own and is similar in size to the Optima, so comparing that to a Stinger, regardless of power plant, is stupid.
 
That is the dumbest thing I’ve read here yet. Weight is always relevant and I said size and weight. The Alfa is a bit smaller than an Audi A4, which I happen to own and is similar in size to the Optima, so comparing that to a Stinger, regardless of power plant, is stupid.
Argh you aren’t salvageable if you really think Optima crap box is in same category the Alfa. Ok you’re right . Lol
 
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Feels like youre making excuses for poor Stinger sales now. In most important market, China, they are failing. US sales are falling off cliff after all the hype and huge multi million dollar PR campaigns have ended. Kia can’t afford to continue to spend money promoting the car. Other markets you site are not consequential. Perhaps since you like quoting percentages you can tell us all sales decrease from height of Stinger sales of around 1700 plus to the now 1200 or so?

Compared to US Stinger sales, it's Giulia sales in Europe that have been falling off a cliff.

Sept. - 587
Oct. - 738

Preceding months - sold 1,500+

And as I had noted numerous times, Kia sales in Europe is hampered by its limited powertrain lineup.

The 2.0T is an ancient engine and both it and the 3.3T get hit hard by the CO2 tax (in many countries in Europe, the Stinger ends up costing as much as a Panamera after the CO2 tax charge).

Not surprisingly, Stinger sales in Europe started to drop in July when many countries raised their CO2 tax rates.

The Cadillac CTS is equally hampered by its powertrain lineup.

2017 sales - 167 total
2016 - 175
2015 - 140
2014 - 133
2013 - 100

(Don't know where you got the idea that the CTS vastly outsold the Stinger when a full year's worth of sales don't match a month of Stinger sales.)

The Stinger is available w/ a 2.2L diesel in Europe, but the problem is that the engine is not performance-oriented (was borrowed from the Santa Fe and Sorento).

That engine is fine for family-oriented crossovers, but not something like the Stinger.

The Giulia, otoh, has 10 different variations for its diesel lineup, including one that only emits 99 g/km of CO2 emissions in the combined cycle.

Would it be worth it for H/K to develop a new family of performance-oriented diesel engines?

No - not w/ diesels on their way out.

Which is why I have been stating that we won't be seeing higher Stinger sales in Europe until the 2.0T gets replaced by the more efficient (and more powerful) 2.5T - hopefully, connected to a 48V system.

Now in countries where fuel is less expensive and w/o prohibitive CO2 taxes, the Stinger outsells the Giulia.

As for China, Kia really hasn't tried to sell the Stinger there.

The remaining fall-out from the Beijing-led boycott, import tariffs and the CO2 tax doesn't make for amenable conditions, as the Stinger would be priced above the 4 Series GC and A5, much less the 3 Series and A4.
 
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As for China, Kia really hasn't tried to sell the Stinger there.
And last I heard, the US is still the largest, richest market in the world.
 
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Compared to US Stinger sales, it's Giulia sales in Europe that have been falling off a cliff.

Sept. - 587
Oct. - 738

Preceding months - sold 1,500+

And as I had noted numerous times, Kia sales in Europe is hampered by its limited powertrain lineup.

The 2.0T is an ancient engine and both it and the 3.3T get hit hard by the CO2 tax (in many countries in Europe, the Stinger ends up costing as much as a Panamera after the CO2 tax charge).

Not surprisingly, Stinger sales in Europe started to drop in July when many countries raised their CO2 tax rates.

The Cadillac CTS is equally hampered by its powertrain lineup.

2017 sales - 167 total
2016 - 175
2015 - 140
2014 - 133
2013 - 100

(Don't know where you got the idea that the CTS vastly outsold the Stinger when a full year's worth of sales don't match a month of Stinger sales.)

The Stinger is available w/ a 2.2L diesel in Europe, but the problem is that the engine is not performance-oriented (was borrowed from the Santa Fe and Sorento).

That engine is fine for family-oriented crossovers, but not something like the Stinger.

The Giulia, otoh, has 10 different variations for its diesel lineup, including one that only emits 99 g/km of CO2 emissions in the combined cycle.

Would it be worth it for H/K to develop a new family of performance-oriented diesel engines?

No - not w/ diesels on their way out.

Which is why I have been stating that we won't be seeing higher Stinger sales in Europe until the 2.0T gets replaced by the more efficient (and more powerful) 2.5T - hopefully, connected to a 48V system.

Now in countries where fuel is less expensive and w/o prohibitive CO2 taxes, the Stinger outsells the Giulia.

As for China, Kia really hasn't tried to sell the Stinger there.

The remaining fall-out from the Beijing-led boycott, import tariffs and the CO2 tax doesn't make for amenable conditions, as the Stinger would be priced above the 4 Series GC and A5, much less the 3 Series and A4.
Too much Kia Koolaid for you.
 
Too much Kia Koolaid for you.
Your latest posts are completely out of character: no substance and merely provocative (trollish). Did somebody hack your account, pretending to be you?
 
Your latest posts are completely out of character: no substance and merely provocative (trollish). Did somebody hack your account, pretending to be you?
He’s being doing this for a while now.
 
Your latest posts are completely out of character: no substance and merely provocative (trollish). Did somebody hack your account, pretending to be you?
Merlin , it a good thing you have shouders .................cuz you have your head up your butt on this troll
 
He’s being doing this for a while now.

If this were a h.s. debate he'd be thrown off the team. Anytime someone wastes their time to refute his dribble he clams up and replies with some pseudo sarcastic post. It's his defense mechanism.
 
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If this were a h.s. debate he'd be thrown off the team. Anytime someone wastes their time to refute his dribble he clams up and replies with some pseudo sarcastic post. It's his defense mechanism.
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Too much Kia Koolaid for you.

Unlike your trolldom, hardly Kia Koolaid on my part.

Have stated many a times, things Kia needs to improve upon on the Stinger and that Kia needs to increase sales if we are to see another generation.

Even w/ lowered costs due to sharing major components w/ the G70, Kia probably needs to see worldwide sales around the 35-40k mark.

And like I have stated numerous times, the biggest thing holding the Stinger back is its powertrains (which need updating and other options).
 
Argh you aren’t salvageable if you really think Optima crap box is in same category the Alfa. Ok you’re right . Lol
Hey, don't you call my current car a " crap box ", I am certainly not comparing it to any prestige cars but I has been a decent, reliable and fun car to drive. Purchased from new, it wasn't a " cheap, crappy kia " either !
 
The Optima will last longer than the Alfa and it will be more reliable. I liked the look of the Alfa in videos and in print but once I went to see it in person, it wasn't that impressive. Didn't even bother to request a test drive.
 
From interior to exterior to high performance - everything you need for your Stinger awaits you...
Guys, use the ignore feature. It's wonderful.
 
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We all come "equipped" with an "ignore feature". It's called a "thick skin". If you block people on social Medía, you're just making your core psyche flabby.
 
The Optima will last longer than the Alfa and it will be more reliable. I liked the look of the Alfa in videos and in print but once I went to see it in person, it wasn't that impressive. Didn't even bother to request a test drive.

Had my crappy Optima for 8 glorious years now.....lol
 
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