Interesting Discoveries Thread (Good or Bad)

[Wan El Guapo]

Good discovery, but more like new use of an existing feature. So I drive with the engine stop-start feature on. Usually when I get to my destination, I brake, (engine cuts out) put the car in Park (engine restarts) and press the ignition to shut the car off. This extra restart annoys me. Now when I get to my destination I skip putting it in Park and just press ignition to shut the car off. Car goes into Park automatically and one less restart. I feel like I just skipped some steps . I can't see how this could be bad for the tranny over time, but I'm sure I'll cut down on thousands of unnecessary restarts every year.

 

[Waynerm002]

That’s an odd way to do it, sounds like how my hybrid operates but I expect that on the hybrid. When the engine stops, the car is still running on battery so it will need to be turned off. On my Volvo, if I open the door after putting the car in park and applying the brakes, it stays off. No need to press the ignition button again.

 

[MerlintheMad]

Good discovery, but more like new use of an existing feature. So I drive with the engine stop-start feature on. Usually when I get to my destination, I brake, (engine cuts out) put the car in Park (engine restarts) and press the ignition to shut the car off. This extra restart annoys me. Now when I get to my destination I skip putting it in Park and just press ignition to shut the car off. Car goes into Park automatically and one less restart. I feel like I just skipped some steps . I can't see how this could be bad for the tranny over time, but I'm sure I'll cut down on thousands of unnecessary restarts every year.

I drive most often with the shifter in manual gate. But when I stop to turn the engine off, and move the shifter over to "D" and up to "P", usually I am not quick enough and the engine stops before it gets to "P". Annoying!, as you explained. Something about turning the engine off while still in "D" bugs me as much as the engine shutting off and then restarting immediately. Maybe I just need to adjust my way of thinking.

I suppose we could simply turn ISG off before applying the brake, prior to turning the car off? It's just a disciplined, added step to shutting down, that would avoid this annoying tendency.

 

[Marc Collins]

I drive most often with the shifter in manual gate. But when I stop to turn the engine off, and move the shifter over to "D" and up to "P", usually I am not quick enough and the engine stops before it gets to "P". Annoying!, as you explained. Something about turning the engine off while still in "D" bugs me as much as the engine shutting off and then restarting immediately. Maybe I just need to adjust my way of thinking.

I suppose we could simply turn ISG (Idle Stop and Go) off before applying the brake, prior to turning the car off? It's just a disciplined, added step to shutting down, that would avoid this annoying tendency.

Or KIA could just fix the flawed programming. When you turn the car off in D it will not affect the transmission, but other electronic options are affected like auto-unlocking and a few others I have already forgotten. I used to do this, but then stopped due to the side effect annoyances.

Get it fixed, KIA!! We don't need another reason for people to want to permanently disable ISG.

It's such a simple fix: if the engine is off due to ISG, which means the car itself must be on, and the driver manually engages Park, leave the engine off. Right now it is programmed in safety mode, where any change to transmission status wakes up the engine. That makes sense for any movement of the shift lever except Park. Waiting to turn left at a light and want the engine to come on because you are nervous, sure, ISG should do that if you push the DBW button on the side of the shifter or move the mechanical lever somehow.

I challenge anyone to come up with a single scenario that someone would put the car in Park where they would then suddenly need engine and drive. There isn't one. Taking the car back out of Park after selecting Park the first time would be the logical trigger for ISG to reactivate the engine.

Fix it KIA!

And the rest of you get complaining to KIA to fix these things instead of spending your time dreaming up and imementing annoying workarounds that shouldn't be necessary if the car was competently designed.

 

[atomiccow]

Good discovery, but more like new use of an existing feature. So I drive with the engine stop-start feature on. Usually when I get to my destination, I brake, (engine cuts out) put the car in Park (engine restarts) and press the ignition to shut the car off. This extra restart annoys me. Now when I get to my destination I skip putting it in Park and just press ignition to shut the car off. Car goes into Park automatically and one less restart. I feel like I just skipped some steps . I can't see how this could be bad for the tranny over time, but I'm sure I'll cut down on thousands of unnecessary restarts every year.

I also suffer this. I'd have thought that cars with idle stop/start would be able to deal with this, especially since the Stinger has an shift selector that doesn't have to electronically pass through any other drive modes on the way to park, like a classic PRND auto-box lever will do. The Stinger's shift selector shouldn't momentarily pass through neutral or reverse as you go from D to P. I'd have though that this would mean it can recognize that you just went into park with the engine already off. I have observed that the car will not always choose to restart the engine. At least on a few occasions, it chose not to when I went into park from D.

Something to test: try pressing the brake pedal harder once you've decided to go into park. Obviously it does not take very hard press to keep the car from creeping, but I think the car is set to not engage ISG unless the pedal is pressed to a certain level, which is more than the level you'd need just to stop the car from creeping. I find that to be the case in normal driving. You can hold the car without the ISG activating, even if the car is a complete stop for an extended period of time, if you don't depress the pedal enough.

 

[BlaydeX15]

Or KIA could just fix the flawed programming. When you turn the car off in D it will not affect the transmission, but other electronic options are affected like auto-unlocking and a few others I have already forgotten. I used to do this, but then stopped due to the side effect annoyances.

Get it fixed, KIA!! We don't need another reason for people to want to permanently disable ISG (Idle Stop and Go).

It's such a simple fix: if the engine is off due to ISG (Idle Stop and Go), which means the car itself must be on, and the driver manually engages Park, leave the engine off. Right now it is programmed in safety mode, where any change to transmission status wakes up the engine. That makes sense for any movement of the shift lever except Park. Waiting to turn left at a light and want the engine to come on because you are nervous, sure, ISG (Idle Stop and Go) should do that if you push the DBW button on the side of the shifter or move the mechanical lever somehow.

I challenge anyone to come up with a single scenario that someone would put the car in Park where they would then suddenly need engine and drive. There isn't one. Taking the car back out of Park after selecting Park the first time would be the logical trigger for ISG (Idle Stop and Go) to reactivate the engine.

Fix it KIA!

And the rest of you get complaining to KIA to fix these things instead of spending your time dreaming up and imementing annoying workarounds that shouldn't be necessary if the car was competently designed.

Probably there so people don't put it in park, and then get out assuming it turned off because the engine stopped.

'What?! Nobody is that dumb' is what you may be thinking... But yeah, people are dumb.

Also, for those mentioning it up there, only the GT2 will put itself in park if you turn it off while it's in drive.

I personally just let it turn off then back on. No biggie. Manufacturers have been putting beefy starters in their ISG cars, and starting it warm isn't really bad for the car.

 

[MerlintheMad]

Something to test: try pressing the brake pedal harder once you've decided to go into park.

This seems backwards. I think what you are saying is, try stopping (prior to parking) with light brake pressure, enough to stop the car but not engage the ISG. Then shift to "P" while the engine is still running. That should work. The only issue is that I don't like approaching the wall to my house (under the carport) with light brake pressure! In fact, anytime I am preparing to park the car, I use definite brake pressure, solid pressure. Thus the problem with the ISG engaging on the shifter's way to "P".

Funny, how these little things manifest with experience. None of this stuff would ever show up in a car review; unless its coverage were so granular as to form a booklet-length treatment!

 

[Joseph Spiegel]

Good discovery, but more like new use of an existing feature. So I drive with the engine stop-start feature on. Usually when I get to my destination, I brake, (engine cuts out) put the car in Park (engine restarts) and press the ignition to shut the car off. This extra restart annoys me. Now when I get to my destination I skip putting it in Park and just press ignition to shut the car off. Car goes into Park automatically and one less restart. I feel like I just skipped some steps . I can't see how this could be bad for the tranny over time, but I'm sure I'll cut down on thousands of unnecessary restarts every year.

I have the same odd issue. Why would it be programmed to do that. I turn off ISG just as I’m nearing home. I’ll try your method sounds easier if illogical.

 

[atomiccow]

This seems backwards. I think what you are saying is, try stopping (prior to parking) with light brake pressure, enough to stop the car but not engage the ISG (Idle Stop and Go). Then shift to "P" while the engine is still running. That should work. The only issue is that I don't like approaching the wall to my house (under the carport) with light brake pressure! In fact, anytime I am preparing to park the car, I use definite brake pressure, solid pressure. Thus the problem with the ISG (Idle Stop and Go) engaging on the shifter's way to "P".

Funny, how these little things manifest with experience. None of this stuff would ever show up in a car review; unless its coverage were so granular as to form a booklet-length treatment!

Yes, I guess that makes sense too. I didn't describe my full situation. I usually press the brake harder when I'm attempting to stop the car, then lighten the press once the car has stopped (to lessen my foot effort). This often causes the car to turn off, but then turn on again. It's the same case for me when I park. I meant that I should try pressing the brake hard enough to activate ISG, then leave it pressed hard until I go into park and turn off the car.

 

[Marc Collins]

Yes, I guess that makes sense too. I didn't describe my full situation. I usually press the brake harder when I'm attempting to stop the car, then lighten the press once the car has stopped (to lessen my foot effort). This often causes the car to turn off, but then turn on again. It's the same case for me when I park. I meant that I should try pressing the brake hard enough to activate ISG (Idle Stop and Go), then leave it pressed hard until I go into park and turn off the car.

No, that will trigger the problem we are talking about.

Also, there are already separate threads on this "feature" if people prefer not to rehash the same facts, myths and arguments here.

 

[robz32]

@MerlintheMad @atomiccow There is a thread that discusses the functionality of the ISG system. Please refer to it for more information.

Let's keep this thread only for topics on discoveries.

Thank you

 

[max2382]

Ok, I just read the 30 pages of this thread.
I have some 'issues' more than discoveries that I would like to present.
- the HUD has rotation correction to fix little misalignment from production. I set mine to -2 but I noticed that sometimes (not always) it goes back to 0.
- in a couple of instances, while driving, the map displayed on the screen moved and kept moving for a while, like somebody is actually touching it (nobody was obviously)
- I live in California, so it simply might be the climate, but I noticed more than once, that the inside of boot after a long drive is extremely hot. Bags, grocery or whatever else is hot at touch. climate or exhaust?

Then something that I don't remember if it is in the manual, but I am sure it might help people to understand some settings. In the various dashboard menus available, if u select an entry and keep the 'ok' button pressed, a help menu with explanation of that setting will appear

 

[MerlintheMad]

Bags, grocery or whatever else is hot at touch. climate or exhaust?

Strange. I have driven twelve hours straight through with two ice chests in the "trunk" and by the end of the day the ice had simply formed a solid mass. This heat in the back that you guys are describing isn't manifesting in my car, so far.

 

[max2382]

Strange. I have driven twelve hours straight through with two ice chests in the "trunk" and by the end of the day the ice had simply formed a solid mass. This heat in the back that you guys are describing isn't manifesting in my car, so far.

as said, it might simply be the heat of the day. however I drove for a few hundreds of miles a few days ago and I arrived home in the middle of the night. It was a hot day, but the sun was long gone, and AC was on all the time. once I was home, I took the bag out, and it was hot

 

[MerlintheMad]

I'll have to watch for this. Oblivion is my most common mental state, to my physical surroundings. It takes something empirically "off" to get my attention.

 

[Rufus]

I believe the hatch cover is so snugly fitted that no air moves around. My guess is that area, without the benefit of a good tint, is susceptible to a convection oven effect when the hatch is on during a a hot sunny CA day. My 2 cents

 

[max2382]

as said, it might simply be the heat of the day. however I drove for a few hundreds of miles a few days ago and I arrived home in the middle of the night. It was a hot day, but the sun was long gone, and AC was on all the time. once I was home, I took the bag out, and it was hot

edit: the Edmund editor seems to have the same problem: Monthly Update for June 2018 - 2018 Kia Stinger

 

[ScottE]

- the HUD has rotation correction to fix little misalignment from production. I set mine to -2 but I noticed that sometimes (not always) it goes back to 0.

This setting is customized per driver along with the seat position. I don't know if that's why it reset for you, but worth noting...

 

[Weareblondi]

Good discovery, but more like new use of an existing feature. So I drive with the engine stop-start feature on. Usually when I get to my destination, I brake, (engine cuts out) put the car in Park (engine restarts) and press the ignition to shut the car off. This extra restart annoys me. Now when I get to my destination I skip putting it in Park and just press ignition to shut the car off. Car goes into Park automatically and one less restart. I feel like I just skipped some steps . I can't see how this could be bad for the tranny over time, but I'm sure I'll cut down on thousands of unnecessary restarts every year.

you must have a gt2, right? with the drive by wire transmission? i don't think that will work with the non drive by wire transmission since the gear lever works like other cars, it has to physically move to that gear selected, whereas yours, and other gt2's, the lever isn't connected to the actual transmission. it is operated by a signal. almost like a video game controller.

 

[Wan El Guapo]

you must have a gt2, right? with the drive by wire transmission? i don't think that will work with the non drive by wire transmission since the gear lever works like other cars, it has to physically move to that gear selected, whereas yours, and other gt2's, the lever isn't connected to the actual transmission. it is operated by a signal. almost like a video game controller.

Sorry I forgot to mention yes, I have the drive by wire, with the button for Park.