If you’re waiting as hard as me for the 2021 Stinger, this’s interesting

[Mike_TX]

Wow what? It's true. That stuff is unnecessary imo. My 01 doesn't have any of that stuff and I do just fine.

No problem, I guess I just found it surprising you don't even want some of the driver assistance stuff that's standard now on most cars and trucks. I'm sure you do just fine, but personally I'd hate to do away with some of the new tech and features!

 

[Transmetal]

I like some of the stuff. Like back up camera, it comes in handy. But like I said, we have a 2016 Jeep Grand Cherokee. Most of the time I hate driving it because of some of that stuff. Has the auto shut off thing that's super annoying if you forget to shut it off, when I see warning lights in the side mirror, I always think something's wrong with the car. They are on basically all the time as people drive past you, I really don't like it. I can't think of much of that stuff I'd choose if you could actually build these cars like back in the day. Maybe I'd take a couple of them but most aren't for me and they just add onto the price imo.

 

[MerlintheMad]

"Warning, Will Robinson! Someone is passing you!" I shut NAV's voice down the instant I took possession of the car; my salesman did that for me. I can only imagine how annoying it would be to have flashing lights, beeps/dings/horns, whatever; or worse, a voice telling me how to drive.

If I built a car I want, the Stinger without nannies is ninety percent there. I want a surround view camera system. ISG would not exist in my universe. Creature comforts are really fun; I can appreciate the heated seats and steering wheel now that I've gone through two winters having both. But I don't miss air cooled seats at all, even in the middle of the summer. My NAV system would be real time, 3D screen; showing what's ahead instead of a map; but with map capability at the touch of the screen "button": again, 3D "satellite" view, or dedicated map, my choice; and of course no errors, or out of date info, because what I see is actually what's there (requiring that every foot of every highway be monitored by camera 24/7/365. "Big Brother" without the evil control. Hah.

As far as my Stinger AS a car: I wouldn't change a thing how it drives, performance, comfort, and so forth.

 

[GenesisG70]

I tried the S5 and the m340i while shopping around and they’re definitely faster than the stinger. The s5 felt alot closer but the stinger isn’t even close to an m340i, the b58 is amazing both stock and tuned. If the stinger were to get the 3.5TT I think it would match the m340’s performance and it would be an even better value.

Don’t get me wrong, I obviously ended up with the stinger and I love the car but it’s still not to the level of those cars in terms of performance. Now when you factor in pricing though, the stinger becomes a no brainer especially in canada... $50K cad for a gt limited out the door? That’s unbeatable.

Plus you get the attention from the stinger which I argue no car under 100k gets more attention than this car. Friend has an E63 and gets no looks compared to my stinger.

Yeah agree people forget that Stinger is no super car or M car but for what you get for 40,000 something USD (after discounts) the GT2 is a bargain, try to get a new German sports sedan with the reliability and performance of the Stinger at around 40k USD, good luck! Oh and let see how much your car will cost to repair if your warranty is out.

 

[GenesisG70]

Wow what? It's true. That stuff is unnecessary imo. My 01 doesn't have any of that stuff and I do just fine.

Have you considered to pay 20,000 to 30,000 USD more and get a M car? I think would have fitted you better. For me I am happy with all the comfort and toys since I use the Stinger as a stupid fast grand tourer not an M car. But agree more powa would be nice but not ultimately necessary cuz not drag racing my Stinger or going taking it to track days.

 

[Transmetal]

Hahaha 20-30k more for an M car! I can't even afford a new awd gt2 or a gt1 even. Originally I'd planned on getting a gt2. Then i was like, I'll just get a gt1. Now unless I can find a used or new gt1 that's below 40k, I'll have to "settle" and get an awd gt. Which can be had for 34k. Bought a house not even ago and I'm constrained due to projects around the house.

 

[Mike_TX]

I agree with Transmetal on some of the stuff. Fortunately, someone on here suggested a simple fix for the ISG ... slip a couple of layers of business card down beside the switch and press it. That will make it stay down and voila - no more shutting down the engine at stop lights.

But that blind spot warning has saved me at least 3 times. Visibility out of the Stinger ain't award-winning, and cars can sneak up in that blind spot and be sompletely invisible. Hit your turn signal and the alarm says, "Nope, not yet!" and accident avoided.

But it still comes down to what you like, and that's fine.

 

[YEH]

Yes, higher performance cars are selling well, but we have a habit of thinking everyone likes what we like and thinks like we think. But
we're considered "enthusiasts". Most people aren't, and frankly, our numbers are dwindling for a number of reasons. Young guys aren't near as interested in cars as previous generations were. They seem to care more about global warming, social causes, computer games, mass transit, and the latest latte flavor from Starbucks.

But performance sub-brands have never done better, including Hyundai's N division.

Cupra is only about 2 years old and it's the most profitable part of SEAT.

And don't have to be enthusiasts - there are people who get the AMG version of the S Class or the G-wagon despite not being enthusiasts.

These buyers just want the "best" because they can.

Toyota can't keep up with demand for the RAV4 Prime, which is the quickest Toyota aside from the T6 Supra.

Lexus RWD sales have plummeted (leading to the cancelation of the GS) as the Lexus RWD sedans have increasingly fallen behind the Germans on the powertrain front.

sold 44,142 M cars and SUVs last year in the U. S. Dodge sold only 2,285 Hellcats. Heck, Ford sold 896,526 F-150s in the same period! lol.

I'm not belittling people who like horsepower. I like it, too, but I still think there's a limit to how much you can actually use. If anyone wants to buy that extra power, more power to them.

Raptor has been hugely successful for Ford and everyone is pretty much trying to get into the performance pick up game (who really "needs" a performance truck?), including the forthcoming electric trucks.

As seen by Cupra, performance divisions bring in a big chunk of profit despite the smaller sales volume (just as Audi brings in a lot more profit to VW Group despite VW vastly outselling Audi).

 

[Transmetal]

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Raptor has been hugely successful for Ford and everyone is pretty much trying to get into the performance pick up game (who really "needs" a performance truck?)
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Well.............at the moment I daily my 01 Ford , at least until I get a Stinger.

 

[GenesisG70]

I have been a car enthusiast since my childhood and never understood 2 things, peoples driving pick ups and 4x4 jeeps with huge wheels in a freaking city, never hauled anything they have normal office jobs never off road their pick ups and jeeps, never understood what is in their thoughts to make them buy those cars,

 

[Mike_TX]

But performance sub-brands have never done better, including Hyundai's N division.

Cupra is only about 2 years old and it's the most profitable part of SEAT.

And don't have to be enthusiasts - there are people who get the AMG version of the S Class or the G-wagon despite not being enthusiasts.

These buyers just want the "best" because they can.

Toyota can't keep up with demand for the RAV4 Prime, which is the quickest Toyota aside from the T6 Supra.

Lexus RWD sales have plummeted (leading to the cancelation of the GS) as the Lexus RWD sedans have increasingly fallen behind the Germans on the powertrain front.




Raptor has been hugely successful for Ford and everyone is pretty much trying to get into the performance pick up game (who really "needs" a performance truck?), including the forthcoming electric trucks.

As seen by Cupra, performance divisions bring in a big chunk of profit despite the smaller sales volume (just as Audi brings in a lot more profit to VW Group despite VW vastly outselling Audi).

Can't argue with that.

 

[Blingen]

Hahaha 20-30k more for an M car! I can't even afford a new awd gt2 or a gt1 even. Originally I'd planned on getting a gt2. Then i was like, I'll just get a gt1. Now unless I can find a used or new gt1 that's below 40k, I'll have to "settle" and get an awd gt. Which can be had for 34k. Bought a house not even ago and I'm constrained due to projects around the house.

I check carmax all the time to see what is their going price for stingers. Gives an easy reference for the stinger used car pricing for me.

 

[Transmetal]

I just ended up getting a new awd gt. Didn't wanna spend 37-39 on a used gt2.

 

[ghost_of_john_lennon]

Because it's still slow when you compare it to cars like the c43, S5, or m340. Like don't get me wrong the value of the stinger for a car at 9/10 is amazing but what's wrong with asking more. Imagine getting 10/10 car for like 40% cheaper. I don't understand why you wouldn't want more power.

M340i is insanely fast. 3.8 0-60. S4 does it in 4.2. I love the Stinger, but it cannot get near that 4.2 untuned, and you'd have to do magic to get it to 3.8.

 

[GenesisG70]

M340i is insanely fast. 3.8 0-60. S4 does it in 4.2. I love the Stinger, but it cannot get near that 4.2 untuned, and you'd have to do magic to get it to 3.8.

I was just curious and went into BMW site and built one similar to the Stinger GT2 and the price is $64,025, you could find a 2019 GT2 Stinger for around 30-40,000 USD.

 

[Hilleagle]

Interesting discussion.

As car enthusiasts we would all like more power, but we have all chosen the car we have, for a variety of reasons! So whatever the power, it is what you chose!

My car is diesel and has 200 horses and 325 lb/ft. Lowest power of any Stinger, but best economy- 45 - 50 mpg (imperial gallon). Helped by ISG by about 5%!

Still a great car to own, drive and look at!

And as for the 'nanny' systems, why wouldn't you want additional safety?

I am delighted with my car!

Is it perfect- No. But is is perfect for me, Yes!

 

[Kimberly Lazarski]

I really don't understand people asking for more powa out of the current V6 T Stinger its powerful enough, ho much do you want for a street car (non super car). For me the V6 is more than enough power.

I really don't understand why people like artichoke and go all crazy over artichoke dip, because I find it rather bland and boring and I may as well be eating musty wet cardboard.

See what I did there?

Before my C4-era ZR1 got murdered by the remnants of a hurricane, I had it tuned - it was putting out way, way more power than stock. Why? Because I like hard, neck-snapping, eyeball-squishing-back acceleration. Different strokes for different folks. I'll do the same if/when I buy a Stinger GT2, G70, or $other_option - it'll remain stock for at least part of the warranty period, then if there is a stroker kit available, the stock engine comes out, the stroker engine with two huge snails go in.

Because that's what I want. You want a nice car that looks good - that's great. That you're happy with stock power is awesome - - for you. I'm not satisfied with that.

 

[Slip_Angle]

M340i is insanely fast. 3.8 0-60. S4 does it in 4.2. I love the Stinger, but it cannot get near that 4.2 untuned, and you'd have to do magic to get it to 3.8.

0-60 is not the test of power. 5-60 is the real measure. Many cars with fast 0-60 numbers are using tricks with launch control. You won't be using LC if you decide you need to pass someone quick or do a quick race. The S4 is a fair bit behind the G70/Stinger and the M340 not that much ahead.

Audi S4
Rolling start, 5–60 mph: 5.7 sec
Top gear, 30–50 mph: 2.8 sec
Top gear, 50–70 mph: 3.6 sec

G70/Stinger
Rolling start, 5–60 mph: 5.0 sec
Top gear, 30–50 mph: 2.5 sec
Top gear, 50–70 mph: 3.2 sec

M340i
Rolling start, 5–60 mph: 4.7 sec
Top gear, 30–50 mph: 2.4 sec
Top gear, 50–70 mph: 2.9 sec