If you’re waiting as hard as me for the 2021 Stinger, this’s interesting

[Slip_Angle]

Feeling faster and being faster are not always the same. One of the guys on the G70 forum ran his buddy with a new S5 both stock. G70 won.

I like to look at these numbers when comparing as they are a true performance indicator. The Stinger is pretty close to the G70, maybe a tad behind.

G70
Rolling start, 5–60 mph: 5.0 sec
Top gear, 30–50 mph: 2.5 sec
Top gear, 50–70 mph: 3.2 sec

S5
Rolling start, 5-60 mph: 5.8 sec
Top gear, 30-50 mph: 3.4 sec
Top gear, 50-70 mph: 3.5 sec


C43
Rolling start, 5-60 mph: 5.1 sec
Top gear, 30-50 mph: 2.8 sec
Top gear, 50-70 mph: 3.4 sec

340i
Rolling start, 5–60 mph: 4.7 sec
Top gear, 30–50 mph: 2.4 sec
Top gear, 50–70 mph: 2.9 sec

Q50 Red Sport
Rolling start, 5-60 mph: 5.0 sec
Top gear, 30-50 mph: 3.2 sec
Top gear, 50-70 mph: 3.3 sec

 

[YEH]

It's pretty well documented that if the Stinger even exists following the 2021-?refresh that it will ditch a petrol engine entirely and become an EV to compete with cars like the Tesla model S. I'm pretty sure you wont see the 3.5tt find it's way into the Stinger in the future.

If the Stinger gets a 2nd gen, it will likely follow the new G80 in terms of platform and powertrains - meaning the 3.5TT (the G80 Sport will get the motor that pushes out 420 hp), the 2.5T and an electric power-train (eG80).

(They stated that a 2nd gen Stinger will get an electric powertrain, not that it will be the ONY powertrain).

Otherwise, Kia likely won't do a 2nd gen Stinger and just replace it with a new dedicated BEV model like the Imagine "sport" CUV.

 

[Mike_TX]

lol, I feel older every time I read threads like this. 370hp - and today's ability to put it to the asphalt - is scary fast. Sure, when I was a young whippersnapper, I worked on my cars and souped them up (that's what we called it back then lol) to make them faster. 4 bbl carbs, heads, cams, exhausts, etc. But back then, a V8 Corvette with 200hp was a hot car!

Yes, power sells, but you know what? It sells to a very smallish crowd these days. BMW M's and AMG M-B's sell better in Europe, where you can get on an autobahn and run 160mph legally. On ever-more-crowded America streets, there's a real limit to how much power you can actually use. Practically speaking, I'll bet I squirt around as fast in my 2.0T Stinger as most Camaros and Vettes and even 3.3TT Stingers, because the next red light (or that set of blue and red lights on a cruiser) is gonna stop you pretty quick anyway.

Point is, there's a practical limit to how much power you can use. The rest is just feel-good/bragging rights/vanity power. And young Americans are even moving away from that. So, there's no real impetus for the factory to make a supercar out of a factory Stinger or G70 for the shrinking car market.

Okay, beat me up if you want to ...

 

[Slip_Angle]

What you say makes sense, although for people buying in this particular segment, power is a key selling point. If the G70/Stinger had less power and/or average handling and was not competitive with the other cars in the class, I would have gone elsewhere. I bought a sports sedan and my expectations are high. A good example is Acura or Lexus. Great cars, reliable, etc.. but not competitive in the segment.

 

[MerlintheMad]

Probably the last thing I care about is 0-60 times, aka drag racing potential. Power! It's for passing fast. That's The End purpose. (Two years ago, on the 10th Instant, I went 155 MPH for the only time in my life. It's fun to know the Stinger does this, but I'll never use the experience in real life driving.)

 

[tysonk]

Not surprised and completely understandable as they are going to be using that 2.5 in other vehicles. Still waiting to see if the US will get the variable exhaust...

Agree would love to bolt on an OEM valve exhaust.

 

[Mike_TX]

Probably the last thing I care about is 0-60 times, aka drag racing potential. Power! It's for passing fast. That's The End purpose. (Two years ago, on the 10th Instant, I went 155 MPH for the only time in my life. It's fun to know the Stinger does this, but I'll never use the experience in real life driving.)

"10th instant"? Never heard that one!

Oddly, I care more about 0-60 times, because 95% of my driving (especially in the Age of Covid) falls smack dab in that range ... city streets, freeway on ramps, expressway maneuvering, etc. I rarely travel on secondary highways where passing is an issue, so that's not a biggie for me, either.

But that said, the difference between 4.7 and 5.whatever sec. is moot for me. I can beat everyone else off the line unless I come up against a C8 or a Ford GT. lol. Believe me, I've had a number of cars with 350+ horsepower, and while that power was nice, I never really got the chance to fully exploit it. The 2.0-liter turbo's power and torque surprised me and made a believer out of me.

Maybe I'm just more easily satisfied as I get more gray hair. Or just not as easily impressed.

 

[Aero2001]

Probably the last thing I care about is 0-60 times, aka drag racing potential. Power! It's for passing fast. That's The End purpose.

Totally agree, and I've sorely missed passing power since dumping my 2001 Saab 9-5 Aero for my 2010 Acura TSX. Their 0-60 performance isn't that different, because the Saab had taller gearing and torque reduction in lower gears. (I think this was to mitigate torque steer, but possibly to protect the clutch.) In fact, at lower speeds I prefer the classic Honda NA VTEC responsiveness.

But on the highway it's no contest. The Saab completely owned the left lane, and actually had better top gear passing performance than that year's Porsche 911 (or so I read back then). I freaking loved it, and I'm looking forward to riding the waves of torque with a more modern turbo like the upcoming 2.5T Stinger.

 

[Chark]

I'm interested to see how the 2.5T drives, but the Sun and Sound Package is the top range of the GT-Line, which is a pity. Love the sunroof and stereo, but would also like the other driving aids like smart cruise, lane keep assist, etc.

 

[BlaydeX15]

The peak power has risen slightly from 370 horsepower to 373 horsepower.

Wait, isn't factory quoted horsepower 365? When did they start saying it had 370 stock?

I mean, 8 horsepower (365->373) still isn't a lot, but free horsepower is free horsepower!

 

[G70 Owner]

Wait, isn't factory quoted horsepower 365? When did they start saying it had 370 stock?

I mean, 8 horsepower (365->373) still isn't a lot, but free horsepower is free horsepower!

370 is metric measurement. usa uses SAE: What is PS (metric horsepower)? Autoweek explains

 

[Aero2001]

I'm interested to see how the 2.5T drives, but the Sun and Sound Package is the top range of the GT-Line, which is a pity. Love the sunroof and stereo, but would also like the other driving aids like smart cruise, lane keep assist, etc.

Same here, though I'm more concerned with AEB and pedestrian detection. I think the new K5 has lots of this standard, and the Stinger should keep pace, so I'm optimistic we'll see at least some of this standard on the new GT-Line.

 

[Mike_TX]

I'm interested to see how the 2.5T drives, but the Sun and Sound Package is the top range of the GT-Line, which is a pity. Love the sunroof and stereo, but would also like the other driving aids like smart cruise, lane keep assist, etc.

Yep, and like I've said, I think Kia's strategy here is flawed. There will be people who would buy the 2.5, but want more equipment. And some won't go on to buy the up-line 3.3 car, either because they just don't particularly want the bigger engine, they want better gas mileage, or they don't want to fork over the bigger bucks for something they don't really want.

Hello, Kia!!! Offer your whole suite of options, or even make them all standard if you want, then let people decide which engine they want. You are probably losing sales by restricting options by engine. A fully-loaded 2.5T would sell!

 

[MerlintheMad]

"10th instant"? Never heard that one!

"Instant" = current month. "Ultimo" = last month. "Proximo" = next month. It's an eighteenth century thing. Hah.

 

[YEH]

Yes, power sells, but you know what? It sells to a very smallish crowd these days. BMW M's and AMG M-B's sell better in Europe, where you can get on an autobahn and run 160mph legally. On ever-more-crowded America streets, there's a real limit to how much power you can actually use. Practically speaking, I'll bet I squirt around as fast in my 2.0T Stinger as most Camaros and Vettes and even 3.3TT Stingers, because the next red light (or that set of blue and red lights on a cruiser) is gonna stop you pretty quick anyway.

Point is, there's a practical limit to how much power you can use. The rest is just feel-good/bragging rights/vanity power. And young Americans are even moving away from that. So, there's no real impetus for the factory to make a supercar out of a factory Stinger or G70 for the shrinking car market.

M and AMG sales here and around the world have never been better.

Dodge can't keep up with demand for the Hellcat engine.

Tuners are making enough $$ in selling performance upgrades for the Stinger (and like vehicles) to continue investing in new products.

There are soccer moms and dads driving around in something like the Alpina B7 (and soon XB7).

Why? Because they CAN.

Won't ever come close to using the full performance capabilities, but simply want to get the "best", and the margins are very good in attracting that type of buyer.

Canada no longer offers the 2.0T and pretty much no one gets it in Australia.

The 3.5TT has proven to be more popular here than what Kia NA expected, bc it offers more power/performance at a comparable price to the German T4s.

But the Germans are ever improving/increasing the power outputs of both their 4 and 6 cylinders.

A big reason why Lexus RWD sedan sales have dropped off the cliff is bc they have been achingly slow to upgrade their powertrains/performance.

 

[Transmetal]

Who wouldn't want more power??? I wish I could ditch all the unnecessary crap like lane keep assist, blind spot monitoring, etc.....We have all that shit in our Jeep Grand Cherokee. Never use it and I absolutely hate that stupid triangle in the side mirror. I'll take a awd GT with a sunroof, 8" touch screen and you can have most of the driving aid stuff.

 

[Gargamel]

I really don't understand people asking for more powa out of the current V6 T Stinger its powerful enough, ho much do you want for a street car (non super car). For me the V6 is more than enough power.

There is a swedish saying "Mycket vill ha mer", translated means something like "Alot wants more".

 

[Mike_TX]

Who wouldn't want more power??? I wish I could ditch all the unnecessary crap like lane keep assist, blind spot monitoring, etc.....We have all that shit in our Jeep Grand Cherokee. Never use it and I absolutely hate that stupid triangle in the side mirror. I'll take a awd GT with a sunroof, 8" touch screen and you can have most of the driving aid stuff.

Wow.

 

[Transmetal]

Wow what? It's true. That stuff is unnecessary imo. My 01 doesn't have any of that stuff and I do just fine.

 

[Mike_TX]

M and AMG sales here and around the world have never been better.

Dodge can't keep up with demand for the Hellcat engine.

Tuners are making enough $$ in selling performance upgrades for the Stinger (and like vehicles) to continue investing in new products.

There are soccer moms and dads driving around in something like the Alpina B7 (and soon XB7).

Why? Because they CAN.

Won't ever come close to using the full performance capabilities, but simply want to get the "best", and the margins are very good in attracting that type of buyer.

Canada no longer offers the 2.0T and pretty much no one gets it in Australia.

The 3.5TT has proven to be more popular here than what Kia NA expected, bc it offers more power/performance at a comparable price to the German T4s.

But the Germans are ever improving/increasing the power outputs of both their 4 and 6 cylinders.

A big reason why Lexus RWD sedan sales have dropped off the cliff is bc they have been achingly slow to upgrade their powertrains/performance.

Yes, higher performance cars are selling well, but we have a habit of thinking everyone likes what we like and thinks like we think. But
we're considered "enthusiasts". Most people aren't, and frankly, our numbers are dwindling for a number of reasons. Young guys aren't near as interested in cars as previous generations were. They seem to care more about global warming, social causes, computer games, mass transit, and the latest latte flavor from Starbucks.

And when you consider the definition of high-performance is a moving target ... a Honda Accord 2.0T family car will do 0-60 in 5.5 sec (per Car & Driver), a number that required a pretty hot car just a few years ago. Way back in the '60's I had an Impala with a breathed-on 348cu V8 that would lay down rubber from curb to curb, and I'm pretty sure my lowly 2.0T Stinger would take it in a quarter mile run today.

BMW sold 44,142 M cars and SUVs last year in the U. S. Dodge sold only 2,285 Hellcats. Heck, Ford sold 896,526 F-150s in the same period! lol.

I'm not belittling people who like horsepower. I like it, too, but I still think there's a limit to how much you can actually use. If anyone wants to buy that extra power, more power to them ( ).