Holden Comodore vs Stinger: Not even in the same league

[Stinger GT SS]

How would Americans react to GM ceasing local manufacture of the Corvette & then import some incarnation from another factory in another country, make it either FWD or AWD with only a NA V6 & slap a Corvette badge on it a say here is your new Corvette from now on.
How many do you think they would sell?

 

[AV8R]

I admit, I was being a bit of a bad boy in my first post. I was just having some fun. Trust me, I make way, way more fun of Europeans and Americans. On the other hand, that reviewer was delusional. I will say with confidence that the posters on this thread are not delusional.

Nonetheless, there is one thing I am curious about: Why do you guys call ass arse? In America, I am an a**hole. If I moved to Australia, would I then be an arsehole, or would I maintain may assholeness?

Please advise.

You are absolved of the mistake by downunder members but with regards to being an a**hole or arsehole thats still debatable. The word of course .

 

[Flameangel]

Wow! Did you see that? The software/editor censored the word a**hole, but not the word arsehole. Interesting. That alone is reason to adopt the term.

You can be an Arsehole in any country, just depends on your personality but yeah, if you came here you would be an " arsehole "

 

[DCBStingerGT]

I believe much has already been said in this thread, how Holden pulled out of manufacturing in Australia, especially after accepting millions in support payments from taxpayers, and promising too keep the factories open for at least another 10 years. I agree the ZB Commodore should have been called something new, not Commodore. I am a former GM Holden employee who lost my job in November 2016, when Holden's Engine Operations Plant closed down, in Fishermans Bend.
It's obvious the two cars are completley different in everyway, and a comparison should not really be important, but I guess the Stinger took over just when Ford Falcons and Holden Commodore ceased to be built, and released with RWD, and with 272Kw of power, to rival the 2017 VFII SS Commodore with over 300Kw, yet in tests was actually faster than the LS3 V8.

Here is one video from a year ago comparing the Commodore VXR to a V6TT Stinger.

 

[Dr_jitsu]

Interesting. The V8 made very good power. That, with a better tranny would transform this car. It is a shame, while everyone is making interiors more complex and busy, Holden took the other way. After looking at several (online) I will say that their interior edges out the Stinger a bit.

It is super clean looking. Plastic, yes, but the plastic looks great.

 

[Typeface]

Nonetheless, there is one thing I am curious about: Why do you guys call ass arse? In America, I am an a**hole. If I moved to Australia, would I then be an arsehole, or would I maintain may assholeness?

Please advise.

Its middle English, way before the USA existed You have changed quite a few words spelling also, tyre, night, colour, to name just a few. You would in fact be an Arsehole here and the UK and most other english speaking countries, although with all the yank shows on tv the younger generation are becoming yank wannabes.

 

[Dr_jitsu]

This has been a very informative thread. I know guys from here (USA) who would rather live in Australia. However taxes are a bitch.

I was thinking of moving to New Zealand.

 

[Stinger GT SS]

This has been a very informative thread. I know guys from here (USA) who would rather live in Australia. However taxes are a bitch.

I was thinking of moving to New Zealand.

Yes, taxes are a bitch but everything is relative, wages are higher in AUS but the cost of living is also high.
Once you convert the green back to AU$ you can get about 30-35% more for your buck.

 

[Manaz]

Excellent! I moved from California to New York and then Texas. But no matter where I went I seemed to have the same problem. I asked a spiritual advisor help and he said "don't you see....the problem is not geography, the problem is that you take yourself wherever you go."

Haha, it's only a problem if you think it is.

I got told "you're right, but you don't have to be such a c€%^ about it" at work the other day. I've been called "overtly correct" a few times too. It's something I am aware of, and I try not to hammer down people's throats - but it is (almost) never my intent to come across as difficult or challenging, just to try to help people see the point of view I believe to be most correct.

So, I suspect I'm right there with you.

 

[Stinger GT SS]

Haha, it's only a problem if you think it is.

I got told "you're right, but you don't have to be such a c€%^ about it" at work the other day. I've been called "overtly correct" a few times too. It's something I am aware of, and I try not to hammer down people's throats - but it is (almost) never my intent to come across as difficult or challenging, just to try to help people see the point of view I believe to be most correct.

So, I suspect I'm right there with you.

Gee, see u next Tuesday is a bit harsh from a work colleague, you obviously have a good working relationship for that comment.

 

[Manaz]

This has been a very informative thread. I know guys from here (USA) who would rather live in Australia. However taxes are a bitch.

I was thinking of moving to New Zealand.

Our taxes may seem high, but then we have a different social support structure here based on it.

We have universal health care - it's what Obama tried to copy. Other than the fact that it doesn't cover dental, it largely works.

The richest man and the poorest can both end up in a public hospital after a heart attack and receive the same grade of medical treatment - often the best in the world where things like heart, brain and cancer are involved (our govt funded university training and medical research are world-leading).

Seriously expensive medications for serious conditions are often subsidised by our government - cancer drugs for instance, that can cost hundreds of thousands of dollars on the open market, are subsidised and available to those who genuinely need them (irrespective of whether you can afford them) for sometimes double-digit dollars per treatment.

We also have a solid unemployment safety-net (many feel it doesn't pay enough, but it pays more than zero, which is a damned good start) and aged pension for those who have not been fortunate enough to save during their lives to fund their retirement. We also have a government mandated superannuation scheme since 1992 to try to help people to save during their working lives to reduce their reliance on the pension.

We now also have a National Disability Insurance Scheme designed to help those who have disabilities and cannot help themselves. I have a child with a mild disability, and although my wife and I can absolutely afford to look after him, we won't always be around, and I can tell you that the prospect of support for him if he needs it after we are gone is VERY reassuring.

Sure, tax feels high if you look at the sticker rate. But the support it provides society is well worth it IMHO.

 

[Manaz]

Gee, see u next Tuesday is a bit harsh from a work colleague, you obviously have a good working relationship for that comment.

No actually, he's the least self-aware person on the planet, and it was absolutely a case of the pot calling the kettle black in this case.

Mind, as I've said before, Australia is the only place on earth I know of where we call people we like "c=€#" and people we don't like "mate".

But being called "c=€%" and being told you're "being a c$&=" are quite different.

 

[Cashie]

These are a good comparison by the same mob with the VF SSV Redline

 

[Manaz]

There is a LOT of mod potential with the SS-V Redline though. A very mature engine mod community (the LS engines are used damned everywhere) and the suspension is well.known, understood and modifiable.

I very nearly went down that path.

 

[Cashie]

I very nearly went down that path.

Me too, having owned a few VE and VFs over the years...

 

[Dr_jitsu]

You are absolved of the mistake by downunder members but with regards to being an a**hole or arsehole thats still debatable. The word of course .

Oh no, there is no debate. Multiple medical health care professionals have concluded I am an a**hole. Its actually part of the Meyers Briggs test.

Girlfriends, Ex wifes, current wife (who is way hotter than wife #1) they all would tell me on the daily about my assholness'. I have come to accept this.

 

[Manaz]

Its actually part of the Meyers Briggs test.

I don't recall that outcome when I did Myers-Briggs testing at multiple places of employment.

I was ENTP if memory serves...

 

[ShannonC]

Oh no, there is no debate. Multiple medical health care professionals have concluded I am an a**hole. Its actually part of the Meyers Briggs test.

Girlfriends, Ex wifes, current wife (who is way hotter than wife #1) they all would tell me on the daily about my assholness'. I have come to accept this.

So, once an arsehole always an arsehole?

 

[Coast GT]

Our taxes may seem high, but then we have a different social support structure here based on it.

We have universal health care - it's what Obama tried to copy. Other than the fact that it doesn't cover dental, it largely works.

The richest man and the poorest can both end up in a public hospital after a heart attack and receive the same grade of medical treatment - often the best in the world where things like heart, brain and cancer are involved (our govt funded university training and medical research are world-leading).

Seriously expensive medications for serious conditions are often subsidised by our government - cancer drugs for instance, that can cost hundreds of thousands of dollars on the open market, are subsidised and available to those who genuinely need them (irrespective of whether you can afford them) for sometimes double-digit dollars per treatment.

We also have a solid unemployment safety-net (many feel it doesn't pay enough, but it pays more than zero, which is a damned good start) and aged pension for those who have not been fortunate enough to save during their lives to fund their retirement. We also have a government mandated superannuation scheme since 1992 to try to help people to save during their working lives to reduce their reliance on the pension.

We now also have a National Disability Insurance Scheme designed to help those who have disabilities and cannot help themselves. I have a child with a mild disability, and although my wife and I can absolutely afford to look after him, we won't always be around, and I can tell you that the prospect of support for him if he needs it after we are gone is VERY reassuring.

Sure, tax feels high if you look at the sticker rate. But the support it provides society is well worth it IMHO.

Sure we have all that good stuff but you left out the bit about our happy clapping pentecostal, accidental prime minister, who pretends to be like the average bloke but in reality can’t relate to one. Our inherently racist anti anyone not white, anti union, anti wage increase, anti common sense Federal Government. Sometimes New Zealand doesn’t look that bad, if only it wasn’t full of Kiwis

 

[Coast GT]

I admit, I was being a bit of a bad boy in my first post. I was just having some fun. Trust me, I make way, way more fun of Europeans and Americans. On the other hand, that reviewer was delusional. I will say with confidence that the posters on this thread are not delusional.

Nonetheless, there is one thing I am curious about: Why do you guys call ass arse? In America, I am an a**hole. If I moved to Australia, would I then be an arsehole, or would I maintain may assholeness?

Please advise.

It’s English English, rather than the bastardised version of American English. Over the years you Yanks have done your level best to change the English language by saying and spelling things a bit differently to how they were originally.

Don’t get me wrong us Aussies have done our fair share of bastardising the English language too. Due to the huge amount of American tv shows and movies screened here, we tend to use all 3 versions. It’s why phones and computers give you the option of English, American English, Australian English etc.

That being said, an ass is a donkey, an arse is what you should be kicked in when you come on here trolling the Australian forum members

So to answer your question, over here or over there you could be considered an arsehole. The difference being, over here, the word arsehole, like the word c**t not only is an insult but it is also a term of endearment, just depends on the context.