GT1 Hesitation - due to left foot braking according to Kia Service
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Guys why the F*!% do you hate on left foot braking ??
it's used and necessary in many kinds of Motorsports- just to Name a few: Rally, offroad, drifting, touringcar racing... the list goes on. All GT3 and formel cars are opperated that way, as you sure know.
there are Drivers who heel toe with the right foot but i even heard of Racecar Drivers who heel toe with the left (heel on the brake and toes on the clutch *mindblown*)
I can left foot brake due to my drifting experiance, but honestly it is not easy at all! I'm sure everyone almost slapped there face to the wheel, trying it for the first time.
Anyway back to the topic.
The only thing I can emagine why the car does not like it, is because the transmition or the diff doesn't like to fight against it's own brake pressure.
yes i've read that you dont use both feet a once, but you are quicker opperating the pedals, which could be why it happens not all the time. maybe the car dont like quick pedal opperation. maybe try to do the tansition from gas to brake slower and see if it still happens
it's used and necessary in many kinds of Motorsports- just to Name a few: Rally, offroad, drifting, touringcar racing... the list goes on. All GT3 and formel cars are opperated that way, as you sure know.
there are Drivers who heel toe with the right foot but i even heard of Racecar Drivers who heel toe with the left (heel on the brake and toes on the clutch *mindblown*)
I can left foot brake due to my drifting experiance, but honestly it is not easy at all! I'm sure everyone almost slapped there face to the wheel, trying it for the first time.
Anyway back to the topic.
The only thing I can emagine why the car does not like it, is because the transmition or the diff doesn't like to fight against it's own brake pressure.
yes i've read that you dont use both feet a once, but you are quicker opperating the pedals, which could be why it happens not all the time. maybe the car dont like quick pedal opperation. maybe try to do the tansition from gas to brake slower and see if it still happens
I really don't think that anyone objects to left-foot braking for motorsports. In fact, most would agree that it makes you faster as demonstrated in countless motorsports videos. The OP, however, has encountered an anomaly (to him) in which the car hesitates during low speed maneuvers while turning in the Stinger as part of his daily driving. Many are asserting (me included) that two footed driving anywhere other than motorsports event is a bad idea, especially as people age. The potential for bad things to happen increases using this technique of driving on the street. Premature brake and driveline wear, increased stopping distances, misappropriation of pedals, etc. are more likely to occur. That doesn't mean they will for the OP, but for the general population this is what happens.
It is regrettable. A similar outcome of such systems is that you can't do big smokey burnouts by brake boosting. Nevertheless, until someone hacks the stability control (or related system), the car isn't going to change. If the OP continues to have this happen, he may have to alter his "intelligent" driving style to correct the outcome.
It is regrettable. A similar outcome of such systems is that you can't do big smokey burnouts by brake boosting. Nevertheless, until someone hacks the stability control (or related system), the car isn't going to change. If the OP continues to have this happen, he may have to alter his "intelligent" driving style to correct the outcome.
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Nobody is hating on it for motorsport.
We are saying it is not appropriate on the street.
Doel
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I bet it has something to do with our cars not being able to use throttle while the brake is depressed. That's why we can't brake launch. The answer is pretty simple to me, just make absolutely sure there is NO pressure on the brake peddle when making a turn and there shouldn't be any problems.
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Yep. At a stoplight I tried to lightly brake to build RPMs for a mild launch - no Bueno. Cuts power... Must use LC. Also - another time I was in neutral with brakes on - and try to rev for a buddy - again, no Bueno. Only yielded a mild rev. So sw cuts throttle significantly when brake is applied to assist the average non-driver I guess... God Bless the Lawyers. [SMH]
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Yes now that I know what the car is doing I'm more conscious about it and it's good.
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Exactly now that I know what it's doing I dont have any issue with my left foot braking!!!
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Yes and this system on Kia is very touchy. Doesn't happen on any other newer cars I've owned and I've had a fair share. Thanks everyone for your input dont hate your left foot brothers. We all love the stinger. It's just the way I have always driven and for me it works once I found out what the car was doing!!!
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I agree if it works then let us be and dont hate on us cuz you dont do it. Ahmen!
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People that say they had no accidents are not always aware they might have caused other people to have accidents.
In the movie below the driver of the white car did not have an accident indeed.
A quick search on youtube looking for “driver fail” video’s will show you a lot of ignorant drivers that cause accidents and drive off without a scratch.
The car gives hick-ups, that is why you started this thread. So probably your brake lights have been on while they should not have been on. You might have even scared the sh@# out of someone or maybe even worse.
Be thankful that the Stinger warned you for doing something wrong and fellow forum-members are trying to warn you.
In the movie below the driver of the white car did not have an accident indeed.
A quick search on youtube looking for “driver fail” video’s will show you a lot of ignorant drivers that cause accidents and drive off without a scratch.
The car gives hick-ups, that is why you started this thread. So probably your brake lights have been on while they should not have been on. You might have even scared the sh@# out of someone or maybe even worse.
Be thankful that the Stinger warned you for doing something wrong and fellow forum-members are trying to warn you.
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I don't think it has anything to do with safety. I think what we're finding out about our cars is that Kia is trying to balance a high performance vehicle with a 10 year warranty. I'm pretty sure the Stinger is by far the fastest car ever made with a factory 10 year powertrain warranty, I sure as heck can't think of one anywhere close to that.
That's why this car launches at such a low RPM. That's why you can't brake boost. I also think that's why this car has 365 hp as opposed to 400+, which we all know now is very very easily achievable on this platform. It makes sense and with that in mind, it's hard to be upset or disappointed with their decision.
M'Kehyah
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yeah, but... then why did KIA give us LC? I would think they would not if long-term warranty was the consideration.
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Unbelievable! Inconceivable! That a driver would be so stupid and senseless as to cause not one but TWO accidents, then drive off. I hope that s/he was caught and taken out of the driver "gene pool". Gasoline! With people driving through the spill!?
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Yes since 2010 I see.
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Skimming this thread, I see some people have already answered this, but just to add:
- Left foot braking is an absolute necessity in racing since it can mean literally 10ths or 100ths of seconds off your lap time
- Left foot braking is absolutely unnecessary in daily driving since there is absolutely no point in time that you need to transition between WOT and braking with zero transition time unless you are... illegally street racing (i.e. cornering, brake boosting for a drag race, etc.). Emergency braking is oftentimes a two-way street: if your following distance is normal, you have plenty of time.
In short, just heel-toe like you do in your Vette and let your left foot rest on the nice, aluminum covered rest area, lol. The Stinger's brake system is pretty sensitive compared to most other cars I've driven (and not always in the best way), but it's an automatic, so you might just have to unlearn moving your left foot around
- Left foot braking is an absolute necessity in racing since it can mean literally 10ths or 100ths of seconds off your lap time
- Left foot braking is absolutely unnecessary in daily driving since there is absolutely no point in time that you need to transition between WOT and braking with zero transition time unless you are... illegally street racing (i.e. cornering, brake boosting for a drag race, etc.). Emergency braking is oftentimes a two-way street: if your following distance is normal, you have plenty of time.
In short, just heel-toe like you do in your Vette and let your left foot rest on the nice, aluminum covered rest area, lol. The Stinger's brake system is pretty sensitive compared to most other cars I've driven (and not always in the best way), but it's an automatic, so you might just have to unlearn moving your left foot around
