Custom Drive mode ... AWD settings???

[Marc Collins]

At least you have CUSTOM mode. In PL we get:
SMART, ECO, COMFORT, SPORT, SPORT+ (which I think only turns off traction control as compared to Sport).
I'd prefer to have CUSTOM where I can set stuff how I like...

I wonder what possible rationale there would be to not have a custom mode (and to have to actually expend effort to remove it from the programming)?

 

[nhcowboy28]

@nhcowboy28, did you ever hear back on this?

Nope. Ass hats at Kia corporate.

 

[moinmoin]

remove it from the programming

That's KIA Think:
The dial button has so many stops - if we allow for another option, one has to go.
The additional stop was not in the budget...

 

[nhcowboy28]

Finally heard back from Kia...

but it was a BS answer in my opinion.

“
Comfort: 40FR/60RR The front bias ranges from 10% to 50% depending on driving conditions, but primarily tries to stay around 40% front

ECO: 40FR/60RR The front bias ranges from 10% to 50% depending on driving conditions, but primarily tries to stay around 40% front

Sport: 20FR/80RR The front bias ranges from 5% to 50% depending on driving condition, but primarily tries to stay around 20%”

I replied asking what’s the point of have eco and {edited because I typed it wrong and someone. Was a prick pointing it out} comfort AWD custom setting if they are exactly the same.

I’m sure I’ll get a reply in another 5 months.

 

[Marc Collins]

Finally heard back from Kia...

but it was a BS answer in my opinion.

“
Comfort: 40FR/60RR The front bias ranges from 10% to 50% depending on driving conditions, but primarily tries to stay around 40% front

ECO: 40FR/60RR The front bias ranges from 10% to 50% depending on driving conditions, but primarily tries to stay around 40% front

Sport: 20FR/80RR The front bias ranges from 5% to 50% depending on driving condition, but primarily tries to stay around 20%”

I replied asking what’s the point of have eco and sport AWD custom setting if they are exactly the same.

I’m sure I’ll get a reply in another 5 months.

ECO and SPORT aren't the same. ECO and COMFORT are the same. The info is correct.

 

[G70 Owner]

Maybe I could help.....unless programming is drastically different, here is what we have on our G70s. The LSD in the rear should be the only mechanical difference between our AWD sport models

3.3 Sport - Custom drive mode

 

[nhcowboy28]

ECO and SPORT aren't the same. ECO and COMFORT are the same. The info is correct.

You know what I meant.

 

[nhcowboy28]

Maybe I could help.....unless programming is drastically different, here is what we have on our G70s. The LSD (Limited Slip Differential) in the rear should be the only mechanical difference between our AWD sport models

3.3 Sport - Custom drive mode

We don’t have the LSD on 18 AWD in the US

 

[nhcowboy28]

ECO and SPORT aren't the same. ECO and COMFORT are the same. The info is correct.

and mark, the point of my ire... why have THREE custom AWD settings (specific to the custom f/r bias) where two are E X A C T L Y the same.

 

[G70 Owner]

We don’t have the LSD (Limited Slip Differential) on 18 AWD in the US

That’s...what I said haha. The only difference is the LSD but the drive mode split calibrations should remain the same so you can see the linked post for a detailed description of how it splits the power

 

[nhcowboy28]

That’s...what I said haha. The only difference is the LSD (Limited Slip Differential) but the drive mode split calibrations should remain the same so you can see the linked post for a detailed description of how it splits the power

Whatever. I’m 3 glasses deep into Knob Creek bourbon.

 

[G70 Owner]

Whatever. I’m 3 glasses deep into Knob Creek bourbon.

Whatever indeed. Hope your night gets better!

 

[Marc Collins]

and mark, the point of my ire... why have THREE custom AWD settings (specific to the custom f/r bias) where two are E X A C T L Y the same.

Sorry, you are right. I wasn't picking up on the Custom setting point--thought you just wanted to know what the splits were.

Yes, along with many other incompetent design choices and implementation issues (my favourite is putting the Active Sound that affects all modes only under Custom, which they corrected for 2019 and onward, but have failed to update on the 2018's), the AWD options are messed-up. I think it is just a simple user-interface issue. They should have copied the two choices from the steering setting, but instead copied the three settings from engine/transmission...or someone thought it would look better to stick with the three even though two of them produce the identical result.

A video from a dealer not too far from me:

 

[MerlintheMad]

You're just focused on the power split. Two out of three drive modes can have the same power split and that doesn't make having three modes redundant; because steering and engine mapping (and with ECS, suspension tuning) is different between the three drive modes. I proved this on a road trip last year, in cruise going up a sustained incline. At 85 MPH I moved the knob between Sport, Comfort and Eco and heard/saw the RPM change.

and mark, the point of my ire... why have THREE custom AWD settings (specific to the custom f/r bias) where two are E X A C T L Y the same.

 

[Marc Collins]

You're just focused on the power split. Two out of three drive modes can have the same power split and that doesn't make having three modes redundant; because steering and engine mapping (and with ECS, suspension tuning) is different between the three drive modes. I proved this on a road trip last year, in cruise going up a sustained incline. At 85 MPH I moved the knob between Sport, Comfort and Eco and heard/saw the RPM change.

He wasn't talking about drive modes, he was talking about the Custom option for AWD settings--and he was right that there are only two real modes, not three.

 

[MerlintheMad]

He wasn't talking about drive modes, he was talking about the Custom option for AWD settings--and he was right that there are only two real modes, not three.

The engine mapping will be different, whether you select Eco from Custom or with the mode selector knob.

 

[Marc Collins]

The engine mapping will be different, whether you select Eco from Custom or with the mode selector knob.

He wasn't talking about drive modes, he was talking about the Custom option for AWD settings--and he was right that there are only two real modes, not three.

Can you not prevent yourself from repeatedly contributing needless replies (all over this forum)? I know most of us are stuck inside with less to do, but really, think whether your proposed reply is actually contributing anything to a thread.

 

[nhcowboy28]

The engine mapping will be different, whether you select Eco from Custom or with the mode selector knob.

Merlin. Go home. You’re drunk.

 

[MerlintheMad]

I replied asking what’s the point of have eco and {edited because I typed it wrong and someone. Was a prick pointing it out} comfort AWD custom setting if they are exactly the same.

At least I wasn't the prick (this time ).

Look, to me, your question was asked wrong; you pointed to the custom setting for Eco and Comfort and asked, "Why offer two options when they are the same?" And to show that, you said that the power distribution is identical in both options when selected from Custom. Well, yes of course they are the same, because when you ignore Custom and select either Eco or Comfort with the mode knob, guess what? The power distribution is the SAME, 40/60. But having Eco and Comfort is not redundant, either outside Custom or within Custom, because although the 40/60 does not change, that is not the only thing optioned when choosing either or; and that is true in Custom mode too.

I am not drunk, I am a teetotaler. But I do have a lot of time to play with (kill, even), and have had for the last c. 16 years. I think I'm accustomed to how that feels long before now.

If I keep engaged with this one, that is one reason. The other is that I think you are confusing Kia people by harping on this niggling detail from a tangential perspective. Hah. (The Virus does not affect mental acuity, at least outside of a fever. But I am beginning to wonder …)

 

[YOWStinger]

That is what Smart Mode is for. The sensors determine how you are driving and gauge output to shocks, brakes and power accordingly for the immediate future. In other words, if you are driving like a wise grandpa/ma because of a fear of ice, and using steering and brakes sparingly, Smart Mode will help with that by anticipating your next moves. The manual says: "Smart mode selects the proper driving mode among ECO, COMFORT and SPORT by judging the driver's driving habits (i.e. mild or dynamic) from the brake pedal depression or the steering wheel operation." So, when you use Smart Mode during slippery conditions, the car should respond according to your driving "style" and enter the drive mode most suitable to meet slippery conditions: which, I take it, would be a combination of Eco and Comfort.

I use Smart mode, but mine is named different, it's called "Sport" and it always knows how I'm driving!