Devin
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You're in a great place for that. The cost of renewables up here near the coast is almost impossible to make back.
We are even reducing our hydro power due to impacts on the ecology.
Contemplating Trading in the Stinger for an EV
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We are even reducing our hydro power due to impacts on the ecology.
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I've heard other people discuss they have had similar issues with newer VWs. Jetta was by far the least reliable car I've owned. I've also had Mazda, Toyota, Honda, and now Kia.
Waynerm002
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Going EV is probably going to be the best thing for the OP. As a former Stinger (3.3T) owner that made the switch, I had questions and heard a lot of negative comments about BEVs (Battery Electric Vehicles) as to why you shouldn't get one. This started since I first went hybrid back in 2012. Sales people would try to steer me away from them and push purely gas vehicles. When I was shopping for my 2014 Optima Hybrid, the salesman, an older gentleman who was getting ready to retire, was very negative about them. He had never driven one but after our test drive, he wanted to get one. I started with this to say a lot of people hear things about these vehicles and get put off without knowing the actual facts. We have all been driving ICE cars for years and know the good and bad about them as well as things we either experience, have friends or family members experience about a particular brand which keep us from getting one. EVs are much the same. Here in the US, the offerings for EV are relatively small in comparison to the rest of the world however, starting this year, that is going to change.
There will be a number of EVs coming to the market in a few months time, at which point you will be able to see which you prefer. Let me start with my experience on going EV. I traded my Stinger for an Audi e-tron last year and it has been a really good vehicle. While my commute wasn’t as long as yours, I was looking at ways to reduce costs. Charging my vehicle out here in AZ can range from $0.07 - $0.11 for super off peak (11pm -5am) and up to $0.28 if you do it during the summer at peak times, in the day. I didn’t get any special charger installed as the car came with one, I just had a dryer plug installed in the garage. I didn’t see the point in paying for an aftermarket option when I have a perfectly working charge cable. As someone that had an Audi back in the day, I loved the car,, the seats and how comfortable it was. I don’t like that it burned oil, which required adding a couple quarts before the service was due and the cost to repair once it was out of warranty. I got this one after researching and seeing there were no “real” maintenance required other than checking parts. The lease deal on the car was too good to pass up, $20K off including the federal (didn't get as a tax write off but Audi rolled it into the discount) incentive ($78K price), under $600/mo, got $1k from the power company for having an EV, plus they were offers for deal off charging cable and installation (that I skipped). Some states have some great incentives for EV owners as well as power companies. Who is going to pass up on getting some extra cash from going EV?
Let's hit up some perceived disadvantages of EV ownership.
1. They are not good in cold weather.
While the cold does affect the battery and reduce the range, ICE vehicles are also affected by the cold and will see reduced range in extreme cold weather. There is some data from the east coast recently on how long an EV kept warming it's cabin when stuck in that snow storm they had that blocked the highways. When idle, the battery usage is minimal compared to an ICE vehicle that depends on the engine running to keep the cabin war.
2. The battery don't last and need to be replaced in 5 years.
Most manufacturers warranty their battery for 8-10 years and the battery will continue to work beyond that. Aftermarket vendors are now able to swap out degraded cells to get the vehicle back to as new state and who knows what will change in the future. You might be able to replace cell with higher capacity versions, resulting in longer range. EV modification will be a thing later on, much like we do with ICE. We know that will happen.
3. It takes a long time to charge an EV.
Today, charging an EV isn't like fueling an ICE vehicle and takes a bit longer. As battery technology changes, the charging times will get shorter. My Audi takes 30 minutes to go from 10-80%, I have charged from 0% (not something you should be doing) to 100% in 45 minutes. The Hyundai IONIQ 5and KIA EV6 will get to 80% in 18 minutes at a fast charger. You can charge at home overnight, while you sleep, like your phone, in a few hours and have a charged up vehicle ready to go every morning (if you prefer), without have to go to a DC fast charger.
4. EVs aren't better for the environment.
That's up for debate. The battery production process adds CO2 to the environment however, once produced and on the road, they are not polluting the air like ICE vehicles. The other part of the this argument is typically about where the electricity to charge the vehicle comes from. It's funny how people aren't concerned about where the energy to power their house and appliances comes from and how it affect the environment but somehow the ones going into an EV, is such a major concern. If you currently get your energy from coal, wind, water, nuclear or solar, that's typically where your car will get it's energy.
Here are some of the advantages.
1. EVs are better for the environment.
As a vehicle, once it is on the road, it is not emitting any pollutants into the environment. However, you can go back to #4 in the disadvantage area for more on that debate.
2. They cost less to own.
The overall cost of ownership from fueling and maintenance is less than an ICE vehicle. That's not to say some places aren't charging a lot for energy however, they typically are less that fueling an ICE vehicle.
3. EVs cost less to fuel.
The cost per gallon of fuel and ICE vehicle is more than what it cost to charge an EV. While fast chargers can be pricey, they are still less costly. Most EV owners only use these when traveling long distances as you can charge at home for significantly less.
4. EVs are more fun to drive.
They can be if you aren't going for a purely economical version and even those has more torque, instant torque off the line than their ICE counterparts.
These days you can find level 2 chargers in a lot of places, within cities and DC Fast chargers are available for long journeys. On recent trips to California, the car recommend 2 stops for charging about 2 hours apart. That is a good time to stop for a break. When I was younger, I would do the DC to NY run in about 4 hours and stop about 1 time for a break, in the really young military days, driving from Kansas to NY, I didn't want to stop until the car needed fuel. A lot of the fear and misconceptions come from when something is new and we have little information about it. Plus, you have folks spreading this instead of getting the facts themselves. If you can hold out until Spring, the Korean EVs will be available and as it stands, based on the folks in Europe, those vehicles are really great products. I have seen the Mustang Mach E, it's not bad looking in person but I'm not a fan of the interior. I have driven the RWD VW ID.4, it was decent but didn't have the power I wanted. Telsa's models turned me off due to their build quality but they were really quick. Never thought I would have gone Audi again but I am happy with mine. Did have a couple of hiccups in the first 6 months, coolant valve malfunction had the car down for a month and then the AC stopped working and that was fixed over a weekend. The other things were minor by comparison, Audi update messed up my settings but later they went back.
OP, if you haven't checked into your state and city's EV incentive programs, you might find they have things to offer that will make your transition easy. If you have any questions you would like answered, drop me a message.
There will be a number of EVs coming to the market in a few months time, at which point you will be able to see which you prefer. Let me start with my experience on going EV. I traded my Stinger for an Audi e-tron last year and it has been a really good vehicle. While my commute wasn’t as long as yours, I was looking at ways to reduce costs. Charging my vehicle out here in AZ can range from $0.07 - $0.11 for super off peak (11pm -5am) and up to $0.28 if you do it during the summer at peak times, in the day. I didn’t get any special charger installed as the car came with one, I just had a dryer plug installed in the garage. I didn’t see the point in paying for an aftermarket option when I have a perfectly working charge cable. As someone that had an Audi back in the day, I loved the car,, the seats and how comfortable it was. I don’t like that it burned oil, which required adding a couple quarts before the service was due and the cost to repair once it was out of warranty. I got this one after researching and seeing there were no “real” maintenance required other than checking parts. The lease deal on the car was too good to pass up, $20K off including the federal (didn't get as a tax write off but Audi rolled it into the discount) incentive ($78K price), under $600/mo, got $1k from the power company for having an EV, plus they were offers for deal off charging cable and installation (that I skipped). Some states have some great incentives for EV owners as well as power companies. Who is going to pass up on getting some extra cash from going EV?
Let's hit up some perceived disadvantages of EV ownership.
1. They are not good in cold weather.
While the cold does affect the battery and reduce the range, ICE vehicles are also affected by the cold and will see reduced range in extreme cold weather. There is some data from the east coast recently on how long an EV kept warming it's cabin when stuck in that snow storm they had that blocked the highways. When idle, the battery usage is minimal compared to an ICE vehicle that depends on the engine running to keep the cabin war.
2. The battery don't last and need to be replaced in 5 years.
Most manufacturers warranty their battery for 8-10 years and the battery will continue to work beyond that. Aftermarket vendors are now able to swap out degraded cells to get the vehicle back to as new state and who knows what will change in the future. You might be able to replace cell with higher capacity versions, resulting in longer range. EV modification will be a thing later on, much like we do with ICE. We know that will happen.
3. It takes a long time to charge an EV.
Today, charging an EV isn't like fueling an ICE vehicle and takes a bit longer. As battery technology changes, the charging times will get shorter. My Audi takes 30 minutes to go from 10-80%, I have charged from 0% (not something you should be doing) to 100% in 45 minutes. The Hyundai IONIQ 5and KIA EV6 will get to 80% in 18 minutes at a fast charger. You can charge at home overnight, while you sleep, like your phone, in a few hours and have a charged up vehicle ready to go every morning (if you prefer), without have to go to a DC fast charger.
4. EVs aren't better for the environment.
That's up for debate. The battery production process adds CO2 to the environment however, once produced and on the road, they are not polluting the air like ICE vehicles. The other part of the this argument is typically about where the electricity to charge the vehicle comes from. It's funny how people aren't concerned about where the energy to power their house and appliances comes from and how it affect the environment but somehow the ones going into an EV, is such a major concern. If you currently get your energy from coal, wind, water, nuclear or solar, that's typically where your car will get it's energy.
Here are some of the advantages.
1. EVs are better for the environment.
As a vehicle, once it is on the road, it is not emitting any pollutants into the environment. However, you can go back to #4 in the disadvantage area for more on that debate.
2. They cost less to own.
The overall cost of ownership from fueling and maintenance is less than an ICE vehicle. That's not to say some places aren't charging a lot for energy however, they typically are less that fueling an ICE vehicle.
3. EVs cost less to fuel.
The cost per gallon of fuel and ICE vehicle is more than what it cost to charge an EV. While fast chargers can be pricey, they are still less costly. Most EV owners only use these when traveling long distances as you can charge at home for significantly less.
4. EVs are more fun to drive.
They can be if you aren't going for a purely economical version and even those has more torque, instant torque off the line than their ICE counterparts.
These days you can find level 2 chargers in a lot of places, within cities and DC Fast chargers are available for long journeys. On recent trips to California, the car recommend 2 stops for charging about 2 hours apart. That is a good time to stop for a break. When I was younger, I would do the DC to NY run in about 4 hours and stop about 1 time for a break, in the really young military days, driving from Kansas to NY, I didn't want to stop until the car needed fuel. A lot of the fear and misconceptions come from when something is new and we have little information about it. Plus, you have folks spreading this instead of getting the facts themselves. If you can hold out until Spring, the Korean EVs will be available and as it stands, based on the folks in Europe, those vehicles are really great products. I have seen the Mustang Mach E, it's not bad looking in person but I'm not a fan of the interior. I have driven the RWD VW ID.4, it was decent but didn't have the power I wanted. Telsa's models turned me off due to their build quality but they were really quick. Never thought I would have gone Audi again but I am happy with mine. Did have a couple of hiccups in the first 6 months, coolant valve malfunction had the car down for a month and then the AC stopped working and that was fixed over a weekend. The other things were minor by comparison, Audi update messed up my settings but later they went back.
OP, if you haven't checked into your state and city's EV incentive programs, you might find they have things to offer that will make your transition easy. If you have any questions you would like answered, drop me a message.
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Here are some of the EVs that will be coming out in the US, this year.
VinFast is a Vietnamese company that will be selling their EVs here in 2022. The car's interior looks really modern and upscale and htey should start from $40K for the version below to $60K for the 7 passenger version. VinFast
Thie Ioniq 5 has a really spacious interior, it looks small in photos but is bigger in person.
The KIA EV6 is a bit shorter than the Ioniq 5 but has a more sportyy design and driving experience. In the future, there will be the EV6 GT, the spiritual successor to the Stinger GT.
VinFast is a Vietnamese company that will be selling their EVs here in 2022. The car's interior looks really modern and upscale and htey should start from $40K for the version below to $60K for the 7 passenger version. VinFast
Thie Ioniq 5 has a really spacious interior, it looks small in photos but is bigger in person.
The KIA EV6 is a bit shorter than the Ioniq 5 but has a more sportyy design and driving experience. In the future, there will be the EV6 GT, the spiritual successor to the Stinger GT.
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I'm not disbelieving that your one VW wasn't a good vehicle for you. I've owned 8 VWs (2007 GTI, 2010 Sportwagen, 2014 Jetta, 2014 Beetle, 2017 GTI, 2017 Beetle, 2019 Beetle, 2021 ID.4) between my wife and I, and only 1 needed anything from the dealer (intake manifold flap covered under warranty the 2007 GTI). And being in the community for so long, known many others with minor to no problems as well. Of course there are VWs (and other brands) that can have issues at some point, as you and some others have experienced. Same thing happens to EVERY car brand, though, right? Millions of Hyundais and Kias have had engine problems and recalls over the past 10 years, yet you didn't have a problem buying a Stinger. See my point?
Literally every manufacturer, including brands you've owned like Mazda, Toyota, Kia and Honda have vehicles that develop problems during the course of ownership. What you experienced with your Jetta would have no correlation to what one could likely expect with owning an electric Audi or VW, for example, other than the fact that you now have an emotional bias against them because of your one ownership experience. No different than if you had bad service once at a certain restaurant, and won't ever go back, despite that thousands of others that have had no issues. I'm just trying to get you to see things from a different perspective than what you've personally experienced with one car.
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Waynerm002
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There are more energy generating methods coming online and solar is coming online for homes. Battery technology are improving so by the time we are all driving electric, this will be a non-issue. It isn’t presently, with new buildings (homes, malls, skyscrapers, etc.) going up. New technology are being designed to use less energy every year. If new homes are produced with Solar and battery storage as part of the build, those would be less places to add to the energy use. If everyone got solar roofs and battery storage, that would take a load off the grid right? Only apartment buildings, businesses that can’t install solar panels would be left. The power company doesn’t want that to happen. However, that would ease the worry if most homes were generating 50-100% of their power needs. Once the system is paid for, it will be generating free energy. We have to keep in mind the future state, things aren’t going to stay the same as they are today.
If there was going to be an issue with providing energy for these new methods of transportation, any company not looking to improve what they have now would fail and another would come online to take their place. Necessity is the mother of invention. We won’t be fully electric for a long time, lots will change by then.
davebo
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That's a hell of a commute so I'd definitely go with an EV if I were you. We had intended to get the mid-range EV6 this year for my wife's commute but she's still able to work from home so we're not sure when that'll make sense to do, once it's even available. The Mach-E is the backup plan.
One thing I would NOT do is buy a low end car you don't enjoy for the commute that takes up 95% of your driving and keep the Stinger as a weekend toy. If you're gonna have two cars, make the commuting one the nice interior with modern amenities that you sit in for hours every day, and pick up a used Corvette for fun once the used market isn't so crazy. Although with the upstate NY Winters you may want to consider an older fun car with AWD instead. Nothing is a bigger waste of money than an expensive fun car that rarely gets driven.
One thing I would NOT do is buy a low end car you don't enjoy for the commute that takes up 95% of your driving and keep the Stinger as a weekend toy. If you're gonna have two cars, make the commuting one the nice interior with modern amenities that you sit in for hours every day, and pick up a used Corvette for fun once the used market isn't so crazy. Although with the upstate NY Winters you may want to consider an older fun car with AWD instead. Nothing is a bigger waste of money than an expensive fun car that rarely gets driven.
JSolo
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^^Good idea, but not too practical everywhere. We just got 5" of snow dumped over night. Not a major snowfall by any measure in this area but enough to cover any solar panels. Now in the S and SW, this is definitely possible.
Dan00Hawk
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Here in Chicago suburbs today, same 5" snowfall (light and fluffy though), and my neighbor's panels are already clear. One side faces mostly east, other mostly west. Would likely be better south-facing, of course. Not sure if they generate some heat to melt snow, or if the snow didn't stick to them like the roof. I'll have to watch them again if we get any heavier snowfalls because now I'm more intrigued.
JSolo
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Ours has not melted like that at all. Roof is an upside down V, facing east/west. House is brick with lots of insulation in the attic. This is important as you don't want heat escaping through the attic. Roof isn't super steep either. Gray house in your pic has a steeper roof than ours.
Maybe they do have some kind of system in place to help melt.
What's up with the no parking on the street? I thought that was only in the cook co suburbs.
Maybe they do have some kind of system in place to help melt.
What's up with the no parking on the street? I thought that was only in the cook co suburbs.
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I think the no parking sign is related to the fire hydrant.
Dan00Hawk
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That makes sense, as a flatter roof won't allow the snow to slide off as easily. The sunlight today did a nice job of melting snow on darker surfaces more quickly today too, so roof/panel color makes a difference. The mailbox in the foreground was mostly in the shade all day, for example. And the west side of the house (2nd photo) still shows snow on most of the roof shingles surrounding the solar panels. I don't think the solar panels would be impacted too much by attic insulation, since they are mounted on top of the existing roof and would be more likely close to ambient air temperature like the roof shingles themselves.
Our subdivision only allows parking on 1 side of the street (sign says "No Parking This Side of Street"), so it doesn't get overly congested for emergency vehicles/garbage trucks, etc...
Waynerm002
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I made a video on the pros and cons of EVs, this might be useful to folks thinking about getting one, to cover some things that are important to know.
As a former Stinger owner (2018 base and 2021 GT) and current dad who has joined the EV community, here are my impressions:
- Performance: the Ioniq 5 (sister car to the EV6) is an absolute beast with AWD, with spine compressing torque. We've all felt acceleration that can push your head into the headrest--well this one can push your lumbar into the support. It will literally slide you back if there's any air space.
The test numbers say it won't keep up with a Stinger GT, and that's probably true in scenarios where the cars can run wide open for more than a few breaths (Stinger ET around 108-110, Ioniq in ~103). But in day-to-day point and squirt driving, this class of EVs are absolute weapons and require no finesse. Think about when you're standing on an electric train and it starts moving before you're ready: you can easily get knocked off balance and reach for something to steady yourself. Now multiply that by 3 or so
And it is probably a tired thing reviewers say, but having a low center of gravity from the skateboard architecture makes the car feel very satisfying, solid, and responsive
- Practicality: the space inside is cushy, clean, gigantic, and properly shaped for easy use. Note the wheelbase is larger than a Pallisade/Telluride, with length equivalent to a Tucson and completely flat floors front and back
- Running cost: Ioniq 5 and EV6 currently come with 2 years of unlimited 30-minute fast DC charging sessions at Electrify America. This was much easier to use than I expected; 22 minutes on a 150KW charger took me from 29-87% and went by very quickly.
So far, without effort, I am getting 4.1 miles per kwh, which would translate to a range of about 300 miles, but this will probably increase for me as I do more urban than expressway driving. As always, YMMV but in my case it's doing better than the EPA rating. And it kind of doesn't matter, as most folks can start each day with a full charge by employing a variety of options.
As I have L2 chargers at work and easy access to the fast chargers, I'm not going to bother installing a charger at home for now. In a pinch, I can use the included L1 portable charger to top up, albeit at a snail's pace (about 3 miles of charger per hour)
- Curb appeal: People swarm this car to ask about it, and appear to be jockeying around it to get a good look. I can't recall if my first Stinger back in 2018 created this much stir, but this is definitely not for flying under the radar, especially in matte grey.
For any who are curious, the inspirations appear to be Giugiaro designs: Hyundai Pony Concept, Delorean, Lancia Delta Integrale. The pixel-inspired head and tail lights pluck dearly at the heart strings for some.
- Comfort: Good grief, this car is quiet and smooth. Everything feels natural and serene, and it feels so much like a high end ICE car.
Aside from pushing you into the seat without any hint of strain, the steering and braking feel very natural and completely mask the interplay of digital forces underneath. Those last two are surely the result of countless hours of development and testing
- Versus the Mach E: I did cross shop this car. It has its advantages as well, including far better base level acceleration, an arguably more luxurious (though less futuristic) ambiance, and a larger and more versatile frunk.
Two practical things, and one kind of superficial thing steered me away:
- Ride quality: It seems fine to most during short test drives, but most who have the car for any length of time report that it seems to have insufficient rebound damping. This apparent design decision helps the ride from being overly jarring, but many report that it takes a while to settle after a bump and can bob up and down on undulating surfaces. This is supposedly helped by the adjustable suspension on the top level GT Performance, provided you're interested in spending 65-70k before fees, and live with a 5 second limiter for full power on the GT models
- Availability: At the time I placed my order, the delay was between 20-28 weeks depending on trim. Granted, the Ioniq may be even more scarce depending on where you are (only available in a handful of states at this time) and what kind of allocation your local dealers get--mine let me reserve one that was arriving a few weeks later. My local dealer has them in stock from time to time, and marks them up $10k
- Tires are visually too narrow: All trims other than GT have 225 width tires on what seem like 8" or smaller wheels, either 18" or 19". They look fine from some angles, and not so great from others. (yes, this is superficial and can of course be remedied, but perhaps at the cost of range)
- Ride quality: It seems fine to most during short test drives, but most who have the car for any length of time report that it seems to have insufficient rebound damping. This apparent design decision helps the ride from being overly jarring, but many report that it takes a while to settle after a bump and can bob up and down on undulating surfaces. This is supposedly helped by the adjustable suspension on the top level GT Performance, provided you're interested in spending 65-70k before fees, and live with a 5 second limiter for full power on the GT models
My journey to the Ioniq was by way of a Santa Fe Hybrid. It had its own pros and cons. Ultimately, that car sold me on a pure EV because of how satisfying it was when in pure EV mode.
Ultimately, I miss my Stinger but I don't feel like I'm missing much.
Waynerm002
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Congrats on the IONIQ 5 and welcome to the EV club! Our plan was to get the Sorento PHEV but that didn't get released in 2020. We kept waiting and decided to see if the Santa Fe hybrid was out, that was also a bust. We ended up with the e-tron due to the great deal they had on it. We did have the opportunity to drive the Santa Fe Hybrid and really liked it but wanted to keep waiting for the PHEV version. After some time with the e-tron, we started to think about the EV6 as we liked the look more than the IONIQ 5, after seeing them both in person at the autoshow, we preferred the larger interior of the IONIQ 5 however, we haven't had a chance to drive one yet.
I agree with the points you made on the performance of EVs with the center of gravity being lower so the car feels more planted. The instant torque is also a nice feeling inside these vehicles. It's nice to have chargers around to charge, I was planning on doing the same thing you did as well. Not installing a charger. I however, opted to have a NEMA 14-50 (dryer receptacle) outlet installed in the garage and used the car's charger to charge the vehicle. Ours is a dual stage charger, which allows charging on a standard plug which would take a couple of days to do a full charge. Switching to the higher rate will do it in about 9 hours. We typically strive to have about 35-40% battery remaining prior to charging up to 80% as recommended by Audi. We do 100% if we are going on a trip to start from home fully charged. The slow charge to 100% is better than on a DC fast charger. If you don't mind me asking what kind of deals are they having on the IONIQ5?
This would be a great car for the OP to look into. There is something great about a quiet cabin when cruising down the highway for your commute. I loved the power of the Stinger but I'm quite happy with the 5.5 seconds of this heavy beast, when in boost mode. It has plenty of power in Economy mode for everyday drive and putting it in Eco S makes it even more responsive. I scare my wife when in Dynamic S mode so I use that on the highway when I want a fast getaway.
I agree with the points you made on the performance of EVs with the center of gravity being lower so the car feels more planted. The instant torque is also a nice feeling inside these vehicles. It's nice to have chargers around to charge, I was planning on doing the same thing you did as well. Not installing a charger. I however, opted to have a NEMA 14-50 (dryer receptacle) outlet installed in the garage and used the car's charger to charge the vehicle. Ours is a dual stage charger, which allows charging on a standard plug which would take a couple of days to do a full charge. Switching to the higher rate will do it in about 9 hours. We typically strive to have about 35-40% battery remaining prior to charging up to 80% as recommended by Audi. We do 100% if we are going on a trip to start from home fully charged. The slow charge to 100% is better than on a DC fast charger. If you don't mind me asking what kind of deals are they having on the IONIQ5?
This would be a great car for the OP to look into. There is something great about a quiet cabin when cruising down the highway for your commute. I loved the power of the Stinger but I'm quite happy with the 5.5 seconds of this heavy beast, when in boost mode. It has plenty of power in Economy mode for everyday drive and putting it in Eco S makes it even more responsive. I scare my wife when in Dynamic S mode so I use that on the highway when I want a fast getaway.
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Blanco_k8
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I am in the same boat as you but I already made up my mind, I'm getting an EV6 because I like how it looks, not because I care about the environment or anything, we have a 3rd vehicle for travel (XC90) but the EV6 immediately grabbed my attention, it's likely I'll wait until the first year quirks are worked out but for sure that's my next vehicle
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That EV6 is a really a great looking car. The GT version should be out by the time you are ready to get one. 3.5 seconds on that one, a good replacement for the Stinger based on what has been shown so far. We can only hope they will do a bit more to differentiate it from the regular ones.
davebo
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I actually do care about the environment and don't like how the EV6 looks, at least the whole rear and those mismatched directional wheels, but I'm really looking forward to the mid-range one, once Kia finally gives us some pricing information.
Waynerm002
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KIA released price information on the EV6. In the details, they list a 0-60 time of 4.6 seconds. The Stinger has been eclipsed by the GT Line AWD version of the EV6. Wow, makes getting one now a great thing. Those waiting for the GT will have an even better advantage.
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Reviewer gets 4.46 to 60 on the AWD GT Line EV6.
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