3.3TT Mishimoto's Stinger GT Intercooler Kit R&D Thread

[Nomad76]

I can sympathize with you guys. I too was really excited about this intercooler kit. We were told the specs would be out within a month MAX. April 16th was one month. However at this point, I'm kinda' loosing interest.

 

[Slow jams]

I can sympathize with you guys. I too was really excited about this intercooler kit. We were told the specs would be out within a month MAX. April 16th was one month. However at this point, I'm kinda' loosing interest.

I reached out to Wagner... I’m going to see if I can work out a deal that if four or five people get it maybe they can cut us a real good deal...This has become ridiculous.... right now companies need customers more than we need them... what’s the stronger number? $0 or $499 etc

 

[G-398620]

I reached out to Wagner... I’m going to see if I can work out a deal that if four or five people get it maybe they can cut us a real good deal...This has become ridiculous.... right now companies need customers more than we need them... what’s the stronger number? $0 or $499 etc

I looked at The CX Racing intercooler kit. It seems reasonably priced. However, I haven’t found any info on if it’s a bar and plate. If it’s a tube and fin, the increased size may not make any difference.

 

[Metalmania82]

I reached out to Wagner... I’m going to see if I can work out a deal that if four or five people get it maybe they can cut us a real good deal...This has become ridiculous.... right now companies need customers more than we need them... what’s the stronger number? $0 or $499 etc

Wasn't there a fitment issue or something with Wagner?

 

[Slow jams]

Wasn't there a fitment issue or something with Wagner?

I’ll let you know what I find out

 

[JDM_Man]

Wasn't there a fitment issue or something with Wagner?

They came out with one but only fit Korean and Euro spec stingers, they fixed it now where it fits US stingers

 

[Slow jams]

They came out with one but only fit Korean and Euro spec stingers, they fixed it now where it fits US stingers

Saw that thanks... rep from Wagner said no current discounts... i’m officially done looking at intercoolers don’t care no more this is been nothing but ridiculous ...especially with motto...

 

[Mishimoto]

Hey Guys,

Sorry for the delay, just a slight hiccup that delayed the post by a few days, but here we go! As always, make sure that you head over to the Engineering Blog for the full writeup on our testing, including a plethora of graphs from our testing!

Cooling power is key for the intercooling system, especially once the boost gets turned up. I can only assume that’s why you’re here, so we strapped our Stinger up to our DynaPacks for a torture test in the name of science. Our testing consisted of two stages in order to get a good look at just how well our intercooler kit performs against the stock unit.

First up, we have our power pulls. In this test we performed a single power pull on our dyno in order to get a focused snapshot on the difference between the two kits. For this first round, the vehicle was brought to operating temperature (185°F) by idling on the dyno, and a single pull was performed, with a short breather in between tests to ensure a consistent starting temperature. With the shop’s ambient temperature of 70°F recorded, it was time to start the tests. Here's a quick comparison on just the outlet temperatures between the stock unit and our kit on just the power pulls:

Since I’m sure many of you don’t live your lives a quarter mile at a time, we also devised a test that would simulate daily driving, but under the harshest conditions. For our heat soak test, we started out with the same warm up procedure, with the same measurement of the shop’s ambient temperature, however, instead of giving the Stinger a break between runs, we ran 6 consecutive pulls. We also ran all of our tests twice, once with stock tuning and again with a stage 1 map to ensure that we were actually providing a solid base for the addition of more boost and heat. Here's a comparison of the outlet temperatures on the stage 1 map during our heat soak test:

The improved foundation is the main goal, but the increase in flow and vastly improved cooling power are the two main ingredients when it comes to cramming a few more horses under the hood. To see just how much power did ended up adding on both the stock tune and our stage 1 map, make sure to head to the Engineering Blog! As always feel free to shoot over any questions you might have!

Thanks,
Nick

 

[Mishimoto]

Very interesting. I do have a TiAL Q valve on my car for sometime now, and you can barely hear it. Can you please share how to route it directly and bypass the stock system.

Also, for the QRJ, would you mind posting vids on how it sounds and which spring should we go for 1.5 or 3 psi?

I didn't see this before! Sorry about that - The low volume is likely doe to it not completely opening, since it's pretty heavy duty. Let me get back to you on the bypass setup, I just went through my files for any photos of ours set up in the bypass configuration and I didn't happen to have any on hand, but I'm sure our engineer has a few. Here's what it looks like in it's stock form, and you want to route the line from the BOV to where this grey line ties into the manifold:

I'll get some more info for you tomorrow on exactly what you'll need to do in order to bypass the solenoid

For the QRJ - This is what it sounds like right on the dyno: Tial QRJ. From personal experience, it's LOUD, like I was sorry I forgot my earplugs in the shop. Driving in the cabin, it's definitely audible for sure but not overbearing. We left the 3psi spring on our setup.

-Nick

 

[Slow jams]

... Going to go with a different Intercooler... If it’s this difficult to get stats I can only imagine how long it’s gonna take to actually get the part Delivered and if I need technical advice for unforeseen issues ...my gut is telling me pass...I’m unsubbing from this thread ....be easy all see you’s around and thanks for all the info

 

[xot1]

Finally some results.
Do you have the pressure drop data from the stage 1 tuned car?

 

[G-391802]

Nick

I looked at the dyno charts on your website and the torque and horsepower don’t appear to cross at 5252 RPM. Could you explain this anomaly?

 

[Mishimoto]

Finally some results.
Do you have the pressure drop data from the stage 1 tuned car?

Sure thing! Also averaged about 1.5PSI with the tune:

-Nick

 

[JDM_Man]

What's pricing going to be, our first born 1000$

 

[Toddasaurus]

Nick,

Thank you for the update. Do you have any information on spool times, stock vs Mishi IC?

 

[STINGER]

I didn't see this before! Sorry about that - The low volume is likely doe to it not completely opening, since it's pretty heavy duty. Let me get back to you on the bypass setup, I just went through my files for any photos of ours set up in the bypass configuration and I didn't happen to have any on hand, but I'm sure our engineer has a few. Here's what it looks like in it's stock form, and you want to route the line from the BOV to where this grey line ties into the manifold:

I'll get some more info for you tomorrow on exactly what you'll need to do in order to bypass the solenoid

For the QRJ - This is what it sounds like right on the dyno: Tial QRJ. From personal experience, it's LOUD, like I was sorry I forgot my earplugs in the shop. Driving in the cabin, it's definitely audible for sure but not overbearing. We left the 3psi spring on our setup.

-Nick

Ok, looking forward to the information.

Im thinking even if the vacuum source is taken directly from the manifold, it will probably work better with a proper fitting for a 1/4" ID hose as per TiAL suggestion. What do you think?

 

[G-889250]

Ok, looking forward to the information.

Im thinking even if the vacuum source is taken directly from the manifold, it will probably work better with a proper fitting for a 1/4" ID hose as per TiAL suggestion. What do you think?

Vacuum is vacuum. The bov is searching for a pressure differential. Technically a 1/8” line would work better than 1/4” line for response

 

[Talloneus Khan]

How much horsepower is this intercooler looking to support? As tuning gets ironed out, and (hopefully) hybrid/larger turbo's become more commonplace, how will this unit hold up? Going up to 25lbs+ of boost

 

[xot1]

How much horsepower is this intercooler looking to support? As tuning gets ironed out, and (hopefully) hybrid/larger turbo's become more commonplace, how will this unit hold up? Going up to 25lbs+ of boost

Most big turbo kits wont be able to use the intercooler piping. Hybrid turbos yes.

 

[Mishimoto]

What's pricing going to be, our first born 1000$

Pricing is still coming once we get closer to the presale! We are still looking at this range:

I’m hoping the pre-sale will be a couple hundred dollars cheaper than the f-150 ecoboost kit. It sells for $1352.95.

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Fair enough! As it stands, we are looking a presale price that in the same sort of ballpark as the product listed above, but a little cheaper.

-Nick

Nick,

Thank you for the update. Do you have any information on spool times, stock vs Mishi IC?

Absolutely! Are you looking for information on lag? The intercooler shouldn't affect the turbo's spooling since that's on the exhaust side

Ok, looking forward to the information.

Im thinking even if the vacuum source is taken directly from the manifold, it will probably work better with a proper fitting for a 1/4" ID hose as per TiAL suggestion. What do you think?

Sorry for the delay in getting back to you! Yup it's just as simple as running a line from the BOV to the location pointed out in the precious photo. You'll also just need to plug the solenoid as well.

A slightly larger line couldn't hurt, especially if TiAL is recommending that!

How much horsepower is this intercooler looking to support? As tuning gets ironed out, and (hopefully) hybrid/larger turbo's become more commonplace, how will this unit hold up? Going up to 25lbs+ of boost

Let me get back to you on the exact numbers for that. The kit should have no issue holding 25PSI, and the 3" piping/outlets give it a much higher rating, but just want to double check with the engineer first! I'll have that to you ASAP!

-Nick