Drag/Acceleration Mods to improve ¼ mile times and unofficial track thread

[TorkMe]

So, in other words, you're nice to people that give you money and rude to people who don't? That's certainly an interesting business model.

Here's a crazy idea, what if you treated people who aren't customers well and then they *gasp* became your customer based on their positive experience with you?

"Treat them good and they will become a customer" seems like a better way to conduct business than "treat them good if they become a customer."

Just something to consider...

Something must have been lost in the translation between us.

I am not rude to anyone. Even when people are rude to me and claim it to be criticism, I accept that. It's only when people have been rude to me, that I am willing to be rude back.

It's always interesting to me, how people criticize me in how I run my business. Why do people do that? Is it not my business? And shouldn't I be allowed to run my business the way that I feel it should be ran?

You also assume that I do not treat people "good". Why is that? The people in this thread alone, have lashed out at me, and to be honest... I have no idea why. Is my tune to expensive? Is that why? Are they upset because they cannot afford it? Why did Stungblue, KLR, Debears, Terry, and a few others have to attack TonkaBob and me?

I get that the business owner should rise to the top, and be the bigger person, and I will admit that I do not do that. But what good reason would these people have to be attacking another member of this forum?

Just me thinking out loud, and if you do not wish to reply, I understand.

 

[turboAWD]

Since you're willing to ask questions, I'm hoping you'll listen to answers.

I personally (and this is different for everyone) have a basic understanding of the tuning process - I've used Accessport and RomRaider on my Subaru. I have played with parameters like fuel injector mpg conversion factor to adjust the computer's mpg readout when I had larger injectors. But I don't have enough knowledge / courage / experience / time / tools to actually tune the Stinger myself. I freely admit that you know way more than I do. And it appears that you have a good tune, based on the feedback from several people here and on FB. Now, are you the master tuner, better than some of the tuners out there that get universal acclaim from multiple platforms, etc? I don't know.

However, the way you attack anyone who criticizes you and/or doesn't treat you like a genius, I feel that if I were to buy one of your tunes and were to ever say anything negative, you'd leave me hanging high and dry and refuse to work on my issue and/or refuse to update my tune. This is based purely on your online persona, which "blows donkey balls", in your words - and well yes, it does. Since that's the only way I know you, I have to judge based on that. Will I ever buy a tune for the Stinger? I can't say for sure. But if I do, as of right now, you're at the bottom of my list, just due to your online presence. Because I'd rather drive a stock Stinger, or one with jb4, than get stuck with a badly tuned one that I can't really drive - which your personality suggests is something that might happen. I can remove the jb4 if things go wrong. I can't (right now) reflash back to stock without your help, unless I spend like $1500 to get a second ECU and clone mine.

Now as to your claim that lots of people come to your shop and are surprised - that might ALSO be true. You wouldn't be the first tuner to be great in person and treat local customers really well, but not really give 2 hoots about online / remote customers, delaying their work for months while being really great locally. I saw that years ago in the VW scene..

Maybe I'm the only one out there who feels like that - maybe not. If I'm not, I'm pretty sure your online manners have cost you sales.

 

[Nuthadey]

Something must have been lost in the translation between us.

I am not rude to anyone. Even when people are rude to me and claim it to be criticism, I accept that. It's only when people have been rude to me, that I am willing to be rude back.

It's always interesting to me, how people criticize me in how I run my business. Why do people do that? Is it not my business? And shouldn't I be allowed to run my business the way that I feel it should be ran?

You also assume that I do not treat people "good". Why is that? The people in this thread alone, have lashed out at me, and to be honest... I have no idea why. Is my tune to expensive? Is that why? Are they upset because they cannot afford it? Why did Stungblue, KLR, Debears, Terry, and a few others have to attack TonkaBob and me?

I get that the business owner should rise to the top, and be the bigger person, and I will admit that I do not do that. But what good reason would these people have to be attacking another member of this forum?

Just me thinking out loud, and if you do not wish to reply, I understand.

I wasn't necessarily criticizing the way you run your business, more suggesting a better way forward. Of course you're allowed to run things how you see fit, but as evidenced by members on this forum your customer base could be a lot deeper if you chose to change things a bit.

As to why people choose to o attack you, you admit that your online persona is rather abrasive, so you're getting from them what you're giving. I'll also add as a business owner you have more to lose than they do. Their reputation takes no hits from criticizing your business practices. On the other hand, the way you respond can directly impact the success of your business. It's in your interest to "be the bigger person."

 

[Kato_the_kia_stinger]

I need to say this (in defense of someone who currently has be blocked): @TorkMe has never been rude to me. He knows I have a piggyback and am a big fan of it. We got into spats before, but “rude” is not the word I’d use to describe his “style” towards me, even when I tested him. In fact, before it got to the point where rudeness might become warranted, he blocked me. He walked away. And that says something positive about character. Now, anyone will snap when pushed. Even sweet little Kato has been mean

 

[Tonkabob]

Ok I agree for the stock turbos. Props to you and Tim.

Dragy 0-100 kmh, 1/8 mile , 1/4 mile for any Stinger even big turbos.

 

[Kato_the_kia_stinger]

Dragy 0-100 kmh, 1/8 mile , 1/4 mile for any Stinger even big turbos.

Yeah Dragy king. Sick results over and over. And I have a sneaking suspicion that you are going to break some hearts, hurt some feelings, and also excite some of us when you show similar results at the strip. It’s going to get bonkers up in here!

 

[Terry@BMS]

It will be interesting to see how much faster it really is than others at the track.

As I recall the track records are in the 11.5x range. Last winter Tim's 11.5x dragy translated in to 11.7x (?) at the track? So maybe his new 11.3x dragy time now with meth and a couple more PSI will wind up being similar to the 11.5x others are already running? Shrug.

No doubt everyone is locked and loaded for Spring.

 

[CeramicGT001]

 

[Tonkabob]

It will be interesting to see how much faster it really is than others at the track.

As I recall the track records are in the 11.5x range. Last winter Tim's 11.5x dragy translated in to 11.7x (?) at the track? So maybe his new 11.3x dragy time now with meth and a couple more PSI will wind up being similar to the 11.5x others are already running? Shrug.

No doubt everyone is locked and loaded for Spring.

Last year no meth i added about .25 from winter dragy to track. With wmi hoping its only .2 so 11.5s with a 1.80 60 foot. When LC gets dialed 11.3s.

 

[Tonkabob]

Would we call the one “slow?” Lol. Not all of them, surely . And the other “rude?” Maybe just wildly impassioned and brusque. lol

You and a few others are far from slow. But many others with full bolt ons still struggling to hit 11s and 3s

 

[StungBlueGT2]

Wow, and people wonder why I have the peanut gallery blocked.

Jessie, I am buying a full A2L... not selling just LC. Currently, our Dragy and 1/4 times destroy anything that you have produced through BTR/AlfaSpeed. Try taking it to the track, and making your point with results, vs you social media attacks.

StungBlue... and yet, we are faster than the guy with zero ethics sharing private messages from a potential customer? Not even sure what the reason was for your post, but hey... whatever makes you feel relavant.

Terry, talking about ethics, LOL!!! Oddly enough, Motec reached out to the community and did exactly the same thing. Pre purchase of their unit will help fuel development. Didn't see you complaining about that. I did however see you complain about me, not only in this thread, but the backend flash thread, 1/4 thread, the spark plug thread and about a dozen others. So, I will resort from calling any names. making innuendo, or referring to you as anything other... than my competitor. Our back and forth who's smarter than the next guy online, ends today.

To everyone else, yes... we reached out to the community to help with the final steps of development for Stage 2. The current tune is very good, but it needs to be the most refined tune/tuning solution on the market. So, I have decided to by the full map index for an undisclosed price, to take the Stinger to the next Stage of tune development.

Yes, we have already figured out damn near every aspect of KIA Stinger tuning and ECU mapping, but... I am committed to run 10 seconds in the 1/4 mile on stock turbos! To do that, I need full ECU definition.

I could have easily released Stage 2 tuning for the same price, and pocketed the full amount that we have listed on the group buy, but... I decided to the the enthusiast in me make this decision first to bring you the best tuning possible.

Stay tuned for more records to fall!

You’re such a compulsive liar you need to go into politics.

Almost everything you’ve said in your comments is BS, stupidity unfair comparisons or blatant lies. Thats the reason why so many people write back to your nonsense, it’s not personally attacking anyone like you constantly do.

You’ve been tuning Stingers for about 2yrs, but your beta stage2 heavily modded AWD Stinger with BMS brake switch is only 7/100th quicker 60ft & 2/10th for 0-60 vs a completely STOCK stage1 from Kagantuned. His stage2 will easily match or surpass that in a fraction of the time you took to achieve those numbers.

After over a year of stage2 development Tonka is actually 4/100th SLOWER 0-60, and less than 2/10th quicker in the 1/4m with almost half of that coming from the BMS brake snip. Nice but not impressive to say the least.

Also according to the “official 1/4m track thread”, you are 5th and Tonka is 7th behind all the piggyback tunes. And Tonka even used the BMS brake switch for his 11.8 so you can’t say that’s why they are quicker. You aren’t anywhere close to the quickest so stop spreading fake news.

Lastly, don’t act like it didn’t happen just because someone shared a DM from a public forum. There was no disclaimer saying keep this a secret or “private message” so there was no ethical issue sharing your request to buy a competitors ECU settings. It simply shows that your tuning knowledge is limited and buying someone else’s work is what you likely do for most of your advancements.

 

[StungBlueGT2]

You and a few others are far from slow. But many others with full bolt ons still struggling to hit 11s and 3s

Think you mean quicker than you, not just far from slow. Guess it’s good another ECU tuner is available now since 3s 0-60 was easily achieved on a completely STOCK Stinger with Kagantuned stage1. Can’t wait until he hits the track and makes mid 11s look just as easy.

We all appreciate your impressive results, but please stop making it out like everyone is slow compared to you when your 7th even with the brake switch vs 90% piggybacks. All the evidence above shows you’ll likely fall further behind once a few Kagantuned and JB4 EWG Stingers hit the track...

 

[Kato_the_kia_stinger]

You and a few others are far from slow. But many others with full bolt ons still struggling to hit 11s and 3s

This is true.

 

[TorkMe]

I wasn't necessarily criticizing the way you run your business, more suggesting a better way forward. Of course you're allowed to run things how you see fit, but as evidenced by members on this forum your customer base could be a lot deeper if you chose to change things a bit.

As to why people choose to o attack you, you admit that your online persona is rather abrasive, so you're getting from them what you're giving. I'll also add as a business owner you have more to lose than they do. Their reputation takes no hits from criticizing your business practices. On the other hand, the way you respond can directly impact the success of your business. It's in your interest to "be the bigger person."

Oh boy... don't I know it

I do not know how to deliver facts in a non abrasive manner, lol. I respect what you are saying, and honestly wish I could be the bigger person... its just something about a select few on this forum that make down right nasty.

So... to remedy my abrasive nature, I have found that blocking and putting people on ignore have resolved most of my "angry posts" on social media. Its been really nice not having to see or read the hate that some people have.

I am making changes, and being the bigger person is a work in progress.

 

[TorkMe]

Since you're willing to ask questions, I'm hoping you'll listen to answers.

I personally (and this is different for everyone) have a basic understanding of the tuning process - I've used Accessport and RomRaider on my Subaru. I have played with parameters like fuel injector mpg conversion factor to adjust the computer's mpg readout when I had larger injectors. But I don't have enough knowledge / courage / experience / time / tools to actually tune the Stinger myself. I freely admit that you know way more than I do. And it appears that you have a good tune, based on the feedback from several people here and on FB. Now, are you the master tuner, better than some of the tuners out there that get universal acclaim from multiple platforms, etc? I don't know.

However, the way you attack anyone who criticizes you and/or doesn't treat you like a genius, I feel that if I were to buy one of your tunes and were to ever say anything negative, you'd leave me hanging high and dry and refuse to work on my issue and/or refuse to update my tune. This is based purely on your online persona, which "blows donkey balls", in your words - and well yes, it does. Since that's the only way I know you, I have to judge based on that. Will I ever buy a tune for the Stinger? I can't say for sure. But if I do, as of right now, you're at the bottom of my list, just due to your online presence. Because I'd rather drive a stock Stinger, or one with jb4, than get stuck with a badly tuned one that I can't really drive - which your personality suggests is something that might happen. I can remove the jb4 if things go wrong. I can't (right now) reflash back to stock without your help, unless I spend like $1500 to get a second ECU and clone mine.

Now as to your claim that lots of people come to your shop and are surprised - that might ALSO be true. You wouldn't be the first tuner to be great in person and treat local customers really well, but not really give 2 hoots about online / remote customers, delaying their work for months while being really great locally. I saw that years ago in the VW scene..

Maybe I'm the only one out there who feels like that - maybe not. If I'm not, I'm pretty sure your online manners have cost you sales.

I want to start with this... my manners online with the Stinger community in general, sucks. Its not because of you or people who actually want to listen... its the creatures of the forums (you know who they are, because they have posted in this thread) that make me an a**hole. Eventually enough of those people get under my skin, and it bleeds over to the whole community. My bad.

In order to make an assumption of me leaving anyone high and dry, you need to talk with our customer base. Because I have never, in my life left any tune customers "high and dry", its not who I am (ask anyone who has worked with me/Tork directly).

I am sure several feel this way, and rightfully so. I cannot fix the past, but I am willing to fix "right now". I am sure that the hate a few have for me in this community have cost many more sales, than my managers. This is why I do not even reply to the hate filled replies from people on social media, if they are not a customer and have resentment, jealously, or a bad taste in their mouth about me or my shop, I instantly block them.

Your post is filled with legitimate questions and you posted a concern, myself or my sales staff are more than willing to converse or interact with people who have an open mind, opinion or wish to criticize our work. However, we are not willing to take the abuse from social media members who never have anything positive to say and wish to trash talk us every chance they get.

 

[DaBears4Lyfe]

I want to start with this... my manners online with the Stinger community in general, sucks. Its not because of you or people who actually want to listen... its the creatures of the forums (you know who they are, because they have posted in this thread) that make me an a**hole. Eventually enough of those people get under my skin, and it bleeds over to the whole community. My bad.

In order to make an assumption of me leaving anyone high and dry, you need to talk with our customer base. Because I have never, in my life left any tune customers "high and dry", its not who I am (ask anyone who has worked with me/Tork directly).

I am sure several feel this way, and rightfully so. I cannot fix the past, but I am willing to fix "right now". I am sure that the hate a few have for me in this community have cost many more sales, than my managers. This is why I do not even reply to the hate filled replies from people on social media, if they are not a customer and have resentment, jealously, or a bad taste in their mouth about me or my shop, I instantly block them.

Your post is filled with legitimate questions and you posted a concern, myself or my sales staff are more than willing to converse or interact with people who have an open mind, opinion or wish to criticize our work. However, we are not willing to take the abuse from social media members who never have anything positive to say and wish to trash talk us every chance they get.

Lol just Google Tork or John Bushbaum. There are plenty of people he has left high and dry.

Even in this link he is quoted to say he would rather just refund someone and cut ties when someone starts to blame him for an issue.

Hes the epitome of horrible service.

Word of Warning, John Bushbaum.

There seems to be a never ending list of people who were screwed by him. From the recent fiat multisprings, to past tuning days where he had issues, to flat out turning off knock sensors to make more power.

 

[Terry@BMS]

Last year no meth i added about .25 from winter dragy to track. With wmi hoping its only .2 so 11.5s with a 1.80 60 foot. When LC gets dialed 11.3s.

Sounds plausible, with a good 60' in a good DA 11.3x at the track should be doable. The current 11.5x track cars are running low 1.6 or better so if you can match that should get there. I'm just not sure the tenth or two gained vs. your Stage1 tune without meth is as earth shattering as John is implying. Especially since no one else has recreated it. That said I'm sure he's working hard to improve things and on our end once we get the EWG control fully rolled out I expect JB4 cars to pickup a tenth or two at the track also all in. Records should be set this spring all around.

What are the dragy times on John's nitrous setup? With over 600whp I expected he'd of already shared results weeks ago?

 

[Tonkabob]

Sounds plausible, with a good 60' in a good DA 11.3x at the track should be doable. The current 11.5x track cars are running low 1.6 or better so if you can match that should get there. I'm just not sure the tenth or two gained vs. your Stage1 tune without meth is as earth shattering as John is implying. Especially since no one else has recreated it. That said I'm sure he's working hard to improve things and on our end once we get the EWG control fully rolled out I expect JB4 cars to pickup a tenth or two at the track also all in. Records should be set this spring all around.

What are the dragy times on John's nitrous setup? With over 600whp I expected he'd of already shared results weeks ago?

60-130 dropped almost 1 second from before wmi and tune updates. Also hit a 123 trap at 39 degrees. I did have one track run at 39 degrees back in 2018 so that DA is possible.
Stage 1 with catback was 12.4 slip.
Then when i added fmic and intake John started the beta tune updates but hit 11.8 track and 11.5 dragy, then 11.3 dragy with wmi.
So from original stage 1 the improvements are large, I've just been running the latest tunes for a long time.
11.45 with a 1.80 60 foot means we will see 11.2s dragy. I thought about a beast mode launch but decided to save my trans and wait for stage 2 release.

 

[Tonkabob]

This looks like about the limit of a super hot tune with NO meth, beast mode launch. I had blown off a meth line and didn't realize it. The meth is good for almost 3 MPH in the trap!
Note to self, no more quick connect nozzle holders....

 

[Kato_the_kia_stinger]

This looks like about the limit of a super hot tune with NO meth, beast mode launch. I had blown off a meth line and didn't realize it. The meth is good for almost 3 MPH in the trap!
Note to self, no more quick connect nozzle holders....

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Get this hot dog to the darn track! Lol