Kia Stinger - Australia discussions (pre-release)

[Marco-Oz]

Far enough, and these (comparisons) have been discussed. In regards to BMW and Audi prices the Stinger's value still reign's supreme. But they need to buy into this market by first tackling the respective price market of the holden, ford, maybe Chrysler, maybe genesis?

The issue raised by this "outrageous number" (true or not) is that it seems along way off the excepted price region "published" since the January debut. It can be understood that the hype has overwhelmed those here willing to take the leap (as most of us have not even seen it) and lay down the $$$ of what they original estimated, let alone be willing to shell $5k, $10k, $15k more. Come on...

Here, here

 

[app_master]

Did Kia say it was going to cost under $50k in US Dollars or Australian? I can pretty much guarantee it's going to cost under $50k USD otherwise they'd be ridiculed non-stop by the media and the American people if they came in any higher than that. They'd be laughed out of the industry - mainly for hyping up such a good price and not coming through...

So what's $50k in AUS? Is that not $67570.00? Because that's what I'd expect if it's going to cost $50k in America.

If Kia was saying under $50k AUS for the fully loaded twin turbo V6 - then that would mean we're getting it here in the U.S. for $36998.67. And that's just not possible...

$50k-52k AUD (plus on-roads?). International prices can't be compared like that. You have to compare within the local market.

 

[Marco-Oz]

Did Kia say it was going to cost under $50k in US Dollars or Australian? I can pretty much guarantee it's going to cost under $50k USD otherwise they'd be ridiculed non-stop by the media and the American people if they came in any higher than that. They'd be laughed out of the industry - mainly for hyping up such a good price and not coming through...

So what's $50k in AUS? Is that not $67570.00? Because that's what I'd expect if it's going to cost $50k in America.

If Kia was saying under $50k AUS for the fully loaded twin turbo V6 - then that would mean we're getting it here in the U.S. for $36998.67. And that's just not possible...

Damien Meredith - COO of Kia Australia has been quoted saying 50-52k plus on-roads in AUD in various interviews with the media.
Our markets are different and need to be comparable.

I've read that the Kia 3.3 GT spec is priced around $43,000 USD which is closer to the mid 50's AUD

 

[Kia Stinger]

Hmm. Interesting. Okay. Thanks, guys. I learned something new today. In any event, I hope the price is very close to what you've all been told and are expecting. It would be a real let down otherwise. Pricing is a very important factor - especially with a brand that's been known for excellent value...

 

[app_master]

Great discussion...At the very least, we're all passionate about it

 

[richard]

The Hyundai Genesis 3.8 L petrol cost $61.500 Aussie but with on road, dealer delivery and statutory cost it blows out to $ 66.312. What is the cost of this car USA?

 

[richard]

Just had a call from my Kia dealer. I rang him yesterday post my private discussion with app_master in regards to Aussie specs. He just emailed me with the same Aussie spec info that app master has. I asked him about the cost being banded about. He stated that he had not heard an official cost but would be very surprised if it was in the mid $65 k range more towards high s50 range

 

[Kia Stinger]

The Hyundai Genesis 3.8 L petrol cost $61.500 Aussie but with on road, dealer delivery and statutory cost it blows out to $ 66.312. What is the cost of this car USA?

I believe I paid $37k out the door for my 2015 Hyundai Genesis 3.8 with Signature package... And I know that was a very good deal... I think average out the door was about $40k...

 

[richard]

That shows as app master stated there are different costs for different markets.

 

[app_master]

I'm also interested in hearing the prices of the competitor's equivalents in Australia. In the US one of the closest would be the Audi A5 Sportback if I'm remembering correctly and the high end model is around $54,000

That Audi here...in both A and S....for comparison's sake. Another level, price wise. But this is where the Kia Stinger is aimed internationally.

 

[Kia Stinger]

Performance-wise, which Audi does the Stinger GT V6 compare more closely against? I'm guessing the A5 - and that the S5 is probably a high 3 or VERY low 4 second car (to 60 miles per hour). If that's the case, then the Stinger needs to under-cut that A5 by quite a margin. There's no prestige that comes with driving a Stinger. And Audi is well-known for some of the best interiors in the industry. The Audi has a lot of advantages - Kia has only price - and maybe looks...

I would think a $15k out the door price difference is needed here...

 

[Gilgamesh]

From what I'm seeing the Audi S5 Sportback starts at $54,400 here in the US and 0-60 time is 4.5 seconds. I would have to build one to see how it tops out in terms of price, but it was mentioned previously.. Audi has proven and established itself as a luxury brand with vehicles that look good and perform well so when you're paying for them or other established luxury brands you're paying more based off of the brand.

Kia doesn't have that going for them.. they're known as an affordable car and in recent years a reliable car, but they're not known as a luxury or performance brand that's something they have to earn and establish through being competitive with their price to prove themselves and win over customers.

On a side note I realize this is an Australian orientated discussion so just let me know if my comments are taking away from this topic.

 

[Kia Stinger]

The S5 Sportback STARTS at $54k. I think the Stinger coming in fully loaded at under $50k is very impressive. They're definitely going to take sale form the Sportback...

I'm just not entirely sure about that 0-60 time for the S5. I think in reality it's closer to 3.9 or so... I'm pretty sure...

 

[jburns]

I would think a $15k out the door price is needed here...

I'll take three please.

 

[Kia Stinger]

I'll take three please.

Fixed.

 

[Gilgamesh]

In order for the Stinger to be successful it's going to have to be sold for $50k or less fully loaded at least in the US. This isn't meant to take away from the Stinger in anyway because it's looking good price-wise (presumably) and the specs also look good, but from my understanding KIA's goal is to become a viable competitor in the luxury/performance world which will be hard to do without severely undercutting the market. Many people looking to get a luxury car are doing it simply for the brand and have no problem picking up the lower end model due to the cheaper price tag.

I recently sold my car, but I'm holding off in hopes that the Stinger is priced well before buying a new car. Before I heard about the Stinger and even after that my primary consideration for my next vehicle was the Lexus IS350 F-sport; now I'm more in favor of the Stinger. MSRP on the Lexus is slightly under $48K last time I checked with the dealer for a new one with mostly everything you could want included. IMO this is also a competitor for the Stinger and another price they have to be able to beat.

 

[Kia Stinger]

In order for the Stinger to be successful it's going to have to be sold for $50k or less fully loaded at least in the US. This isn't meant to take away from the Stinger in anyway because it's looking good price-wise (presumably) and the specs also look good, but from my understanding KIA's goal is to become a viable competitor in the luxury/performance world which will be hard to do without severely undercutting the market. Many people looking to get a luxury car are doing it simply for the brand and have no problem picking up the lower end model due to the cheaper price tag.

I recently sold my car, but I'm holding off in hopes that the Stinger is priced well before buying a new car. Before I heard about the Stinger and even after that my primary consideration for my next vehicle was the Lexus IS350 F-sport; now I'm more in favor of the Stinger. MSRP on the Lexus is slightly under $48K last time I checked with the dealer for a new one with mostly everything you could want included. IMO this is also a competitor for the Stinger and another price they have to be able to beat.

The Lexus IS350 is a really nice car - especially in F-Sport form. A little smaller than the Stinger - and not moddable. Not really, anyway. If you want a car you're going to keep stock (performance-wise) with ridiculously stupidly good customer service and reliability, it's hard to say the Stinger will be the better option. However, I think it makes a bigger statement than the Lexus and will have much more road presence. I highly doubt it'll cost less than the IS350...

 

[Gilgamesh]

If the supposed prices that are floating around are accurate then it will beat Lexus's pricing. From a performance standpoint the Stinger has more power, but handling has yet to be seen the Lexus IS has some top-tier handling and was designed partially around track performance. I just don't see the Stinger being as successful without undercutting all possible competitors and once they're recognized they can market small tweaks in future models and bump their price up if they become established within the luxury brands.

 

[Kia Stinger]

If the supposed prices that are floating around are accurate then it will beat Lexus's pricing. From a performance standpoint the Stinger has more power, but handling has yet to be seen the Lexus IS has some top-tier handling and was designed partially around track performance. I just don't see the Stinger being as successful without undercutting all possible competitors and once they're recognized they can market small tweaks in future models and bump their price up if they become established within the luxury brands.

Wouldn't it be difficult for the Stinger to beat the IS350 in handling considering it's not in it's same size class?

When Kia says the V6 Stinger GT will come in fully loaded at under $50k, I'm thinking they mean $49,999.99. But that's just what I'm used to in this world...

 

[Gilgamesh]

Pretty sure they're considered to be in the same size class as both are considered to be "compact sport sedans". The Stinger is of course bigger, but not by some crazy amount.

Stinger

Length: 190.2 in
Width: 73.6 in
Height: unknown
Wheelbase: 114.4 in
Weight: unknown, but I heard slightly under 4,000 lbs

Lexus IS350 f sport

Length: 184.3 in
Width: 71.3 in
Height: 56.3 in
Wheelbase: 110.2 in
Weight: 3,737 lbs