Drag/Acceleration Weight of the worlds fastest Stinger....

[Wilzer]

Why does my GT2 AWD door plate GVW read 5,140 ?

 

[Tonkabob]

Gross weight means the car with max cargo.

 

[StungBlueGT2]

If you want to count all the individual benefits of my tune as different mods then yes i have more mods. Also most the top 5 cars have aftermarket wheels and i took off the SSR midpipe and running the same times.
I hit 117, 118 at the hot track, 120 dragy. All the fastest cars are similar getstung a little faster and I'm sure the extra wmi cooling helps on the top end. Also all the top cars are GTs and mine is a GT2 + 100lbs. Turbos make more boost at lower rpm. In the quarter mile you are only below 4800 rpm in first gear. I can make 22 psi in any gear but need to manual shift. Stock doesn't limit boost in first gear and that would be a bad idea for an awd and that is the purpose of LC. Stock is 12-14 psi depending on iats. Only jb4 shows other readings. Manual boost gauges on my dyno run and on Michael Lockes car show 14 psi stock.
Getstung and especially Angel have great results but those results are not typical.

Lol No, I was not counting ECU benefits as mods, although they do probably account for .1-.2sec of your runs and make up for the lower HP(slower traps).

I was simply comparing the physical mods listed from the “official 1/4m thread”. If that list isn’t accurate and doesn’t include “wheels” or GT vs GT2 for the other top Stingers then that’s the fault of the poster, whom ever that may be. Jk JK... You and others use that as reference all the time so someone should update the list so people stop making inaccurate & unfair comparisons.

But according to that list you have 3 additional time reducing mods(FMIC, 2.5” catback & lightweight wheels) vs Angel, 2-3 more mods(JT CAI, lightweight wheels & technically e85 mix) vs STINGER, and 1 more mod(lightweight wheels) vs GetStung, but still run 1-3mph slower traps. Since it’s impossible to match exact mod for mod I just equaled out different mods that provide similar gains, like WMI vs FMIC w/e85 mix, etc.

Even if you don’t consider all those “more mods” you can’t deny the fact they all run noticeably faster traps(up to 3mph)and likely produce quite a bit more HP. I do understand SOME of the top 5 are approximately 100lbs lighter but that translates to about 10hp if your lucky and won’t make much difference in trap speeds.

Yes, our tiny twin turbos make more boost at low rpm, but stock Stingers still never make more boost in 1st gear than upper gears. According to Terry and every log I’ve seen, stock Stingers do limit boost in 1st gear and rarely go above 10-11psi. Your Tork ECU basically doubles stock 1st gear boost levels which is great for 0-60 & 60ft times but must be extremely stressful on your entire drivetrain.

Kia actually revised the launch control before releasing the Stinger and dropped 0-60 on RWD from 5.1 to 4.7 by limiting boost in first gear. I doubt they have different LC settings for AWD although I agree it isn’t needed on AWD and restricts 60ft times on stock Stingers.

Also stock boost is only above 12psi on AWD Stingers and thats simply to offset the additional drivetrain losses vs RWD.

Actually, STINGER, Angel, GetStung & Stinger33 are all JB4 examples with similar ETs & faster traps, but everyone in the top 10 besides Miguel (Tork tune too) is less that 1/2 mph slower than you even though they have up to .3sec worse ETs.

Sorry to say but all this is just more proof that your extra 3-4 psi is actually hurting your top end HP and in turn your trap speeds. Too bad you don’t also have a JB4 at least then you would have the ability to change it yourself and test these variables instead of doing your best to defend inferior trap speeds & less HP. Again nothing personal, just stating the facts how everyone else sees them.

 

[Tonkabob]

Lol No, I was not counting ECU benefits as mods, although they do probably account for .1-.2sec of your runs and make up for the lower HP(slower traps).

I was simply comparing the physical mods listed from the “official 1/4m thread”. If that list isn’t accurate and doesn’t include “wheels” or GT vs GT2 for the other top Stingers then that’s the fault of the poster, whom ever that may be. Jk JK... You and others use that as reference all the time so someone should update the list so people stop making inaccurate & unfair comparisons.

But according to that list you have 3 additional time reducing mods(FMIC, 2.5” catback & lightweight wheels) vs Angel, 2-3 more mods(JT CAI, lightweight wheels & technically e85 mix) vs STINGER, and 1 more mod(lightweight wheels) vs GetStung, but still run 1-3mph slower traps. Since it’s impossible to match exact mod for mod I just equaled out different mods that provide similar gains, like WMI vs FMIC w/e85 mix, etc.

Even if you don’t consider all those “more mods” you can’t deny the fact they all run noticeably faster traps(up to 3mph)and likely produce quite a bit more HP. I do understand SOME of the top 5 are approximately 100lbs lighter but that translates to about 10hp if your lucky and won’t make much difference in trap speeds.

Yes, our tiny twin turbos make more boost at low rpm, but stock Stingers still never make more boost in 1st gear than upper gears. According to Terry and every log I’ve seen, stock Stingers do limit boost in 1st gear and rarely go above 10-11psi. Your Tork ECU basically doubles stock 1st gear boost levels which is great for 0-60 & 60ft times but must be extremely stressful on your entire drivetrain.

Kia actually revised the launch control before releasing the Stinger and dropped 0-60 on RWD from 5.1 to 4.7 by limiting boost in first gear. I doubt they have different LC settings for AWD although I agree it isn’t needed on AWD and restricts 60ft times on stock Stingers.

Also stock boost is only above 12psi on AWD Stingers and thats simply to offset the additional drivetrain losses vs RWD.

Actually, STINGER, Angel, GetStung & Stinger33 are all JB4 examples with similar ETs & faster traps, but everyone in the top 10 besides Miguel (Tork tune too) is less that 1/2 mph slower than you even though they have up to .3sec worse ETs.

Sorry to say but all this is just more proof that your extra 3-4 psi is actually hurting your top end HP and in turn your trap speeds. Too bad you don’t also have a JB4 at least then you would have the ability to change it yourself and test these variables instead of doing your best to defend inferior trap speeds & less HP. Again nothing personal, just stating the facts how everyone else sees them.

Yeah i can see how my daily driver 11.8 stinger on E15 is a huge negative. Lol.
I see the traps as all about the same with the RWDs a little faster and getstung is a stand out. (RWDs run 12-14 psi same as AWD) But getstungs car also cuts throttle randomly mid track and somtimes can't shift into 5th. So I'll take my 1-2 mph lower trap speed than Stung and consistent launching shifting and consistent 11.8s and 11.9s.

Temperature and weight are big factors for trap so I'm sure the wmi is helping the top end. I'm pretty sure you don't race but a 1 mph variation in trap speed run to run is common with the same ETs.

I've only run a 11.89 with my SSR off in 15 degree warmer temps so after i beat my 11.86 I'll pull that mod off the list.
Drag racing is all about getting across the finish first. I'm beating the jb4 cars by 25-75 feet. So after the race they will say but but my trap was .5 mph faster!

 

[Doel]

Yeah i can see how my daily driver 11.8 stinger on E15 is a huge negative. Lol.
I see the traps as all about the same with the RWDs a little faster and getstung is a stand out. (RWDs run 12-14 psi same as AWD) But getstungs car also cuts throttle randomly mid track and somtimes can't shift into 5th. So I'll take my 1-2 mph lower trap speed than Stung and consistent launching shifting and consistent 11.8s and 11.9s.

Temperature and weight are big factors for trap so I'm sure the wmi is helping the top end. I'm pretty sure you don't race but a 1 mph variation in trap speed run to run is common with the same ETs.

I've only run a 11.89 with my SSR off in 15 degree warmer temps so after i beat my 11.86 I'll pull that mod off the list.
Drag racing is all about getting across the finish first. I'm beating the jb4 cars by 25-75 feet. So after the race they will say but but my trap was .5 mph faster!

trap for show, ETs for dough, or something hahaha

 

[xot1]

This thread is good

 

[brancky3]

I don't know why you keep insisting that 14psi stock is normal when literally every map 0 JB4 log proves this wrong

 

[xot1]

I don't know why you keep insisting that 14psi stock is normal when literally every map 0 JB4 log proves this wrong

Have you recorded the boost via a physical boost gauge?

 

[Tonkabob]

I don't know why you keep insisting that 14psi stock is normal when literally every map 0 JB4 log proves this wrong

Exactly! The JB4 is wrong. I've seen several dynos (including mine) with physical gauge as well as @Michael Locke who has a gauge in his car that all read 14 PSI at higher IATs.

 

[Not Here Anymore]

What is the real max stock psi boost that has been read on the gauges please ??

 

[Tonkabob]

What is the real max stock psi boost that has been read on the gauges please ??

14 psi. Locke has posted a pic of his gauge on fb and i can did dig up my dyno showing 13.7 or 13.9 psi

 

[Not Here Anymore]

14 psi. Locke has posted a pic of his gauge on fb and i can did dig up my dyno showing 13.7 or 13.9 psi

Thanks Tonkabob, I was just wondering what the real PSi Boost was for the Max on stock Stinger THanks

 

[Not Here Anymore]

Thanks Tonkabob, I was just wondering what the real PSi Boost was for the Max on stock Stinger THanks

Waiting for John to get things sorted out for that stage 2 tune

 

[xot1]

Thanks Tonkabob, I was just wondering what the real PSi Boost was for the Max on stock Stinger THanks

Add 2psi to JB4 values.

 

[Not Here Anymore]

I was thinking that the stock Max PSI would be around between the high 13 s to 14 psi but was not sure until now , so with the piggy backs should Boost it between 18 to 19 psi then off 93 octane , would this be in the range Tonkabob as you know the tuners ?

 

[Not Here Anymore]

Providing things go ok on June 27th , I will have a chance to run on the Area 27 circuit race track in Oliver BC for a few lap s as a novice drive following a pace car , then if things go on maybe a few laps on my own and not trying to kill myself but I do want to pound that track a bit lol

 

[Terry@BMS]

What is the real max stock psi boost that has been read on the gauges please ??

Depends on the ambient pressure and intake temps, among some other factors, the ECU is LOAD based not boost based in it's mapping. You'll see anywhere from 10-14psi stock.

 

[Not Here Anymore]

Depends on the ambient pressure and intake temps, among some other factors, the ECU is LOAD based not boost based in it's mapping. You'll see anywhere from 10-14psi stock.

Thanks Terry

 

[Tonkabob]

I was thinking that the stock Max PSI would be around between the high 13 s to 14 psi but was not sure until now , so with the piggy backs should Boost it between 18 to 19 psi then off 93 octane , would this be in the range Tonkabob as you know the tuners ?

12 to 14 psi stock. When intake temps are below about 60 F you would see 12 and starting at about 90 you see 14.
The piggy backs are in the 18 to 22 range. Race chip race mode 19.5, jb4 map2 is plus 4 so 18 psi and can go plus 8 so 22 psi and not positive on lap3 but i think thier mode 2, 93 octane is 20.7 and wmi mode 3 is 21.5 psi.
Tork stage 1 is 18 psi, 92 octane and target for stage 2 is 21 - 22 psi.

Edit: i do see 3 psi drop at cold temps 19 vs 22 so i could see stock going down as low as 10 or 11 when cold, but 14 is stock max.

 

[Terry@BMS]

12 to 14 psi stock. When intake temps are below about 60 F you would see 12 and starting at about 90 you see 14.
The piggy backs are in the 18 to 22 range. Race chip race mode 19.5, jb4 map2 is plus 4 so 18 psi and can go plus 8 so 22 psi and not positive on lap3 but i think thier mode 2, 93 octane is 20.7 and wmi mode 3 is 21.5 psi.
Tork stage 1 is 18 psi, 92 octane and target for stage 2 is 21 - 22 psi.

Edit: i do see 3 psi drop at cold temps 19 vs 22 so i could see stock going down as low as 10 or 11 when cold, but 14 is stock max.

Sigh what did I just say? LOAD based!

Peak boost is going to float all over the place based on conditions with any tuning (other than JB4 absolute mapping which we haven't developed yet for the Stinger) by design.