Lets talk tuning, piggy back vs ECU flash.

[SteveCo]

I can't get my AWD to sit still using launch control more than a second anymore. It starts spinning the rear tires and car starts pulling through the brakes. But with the jb4 turned off it will hold until it shuts off LC on its own.

With the engine running, will your brake pedal sink to the stops under moderate to hard pressure? My car does, which KIA says is normal. I have seen this first hand in other Stingers as well - both new and with mileage.

 

[Tonkabob]

He is heads down working on the ecu right now. His goal is 11s for a stock stinger with tune (maybe only an intake) on pump gas and 11.5 to 11.7 for cars with mods.
I'll try out the new tune when he is ready but think i can do an 11.90 as is and get into the high 11.7s with my dp and wheels.
I'll wait for the new tune before i put on the dp and wheels so we can see what the tune can do.

Re-visiting my predictions, i did hit 11.89 "as is" with no changes and hit then hit 11.78 with a tune update. (Stage 2 tune still not done yet) Have to hit 11.6s or maybe 11.5s with secondary dp and wheels?

 

[brancky3]

Re-visiting my predictions, i did hit 11.89 "as is" with no changes and hit then hit 11.78 with a tune update. (Stage 2 tune still not done yet) Have to hit 11.6s or maybe 11.5s with secondary dp and wheels?

I find it unlikely you will drop 0.2+ seconds with downpipes / wheels, but I sure hope you're right!! When do tracks officially open in Seattle, April?

 

[TwinSnails]

Re-visiting my predictions, i did hit 11.89 "as is" with no changes and hit then hit 11.78 with a tune update. (Stage 2 tune still not done yet) Have to hit 11.6s or maybe 11.5s with secondary dp and wheels?

With that kind of launching off the line that’s some thrilling G’s. I appreciate that he’s not just making mild improvements... Torq is pushing all in for a serious showing.

 

[Tonkabob]

I find it unlikely you will drop 0.2+ seconds with downpipes / wheels, but I sure hope you're right!! When do tracks officially open in Seattle, April?

March track opens but spring is very rainy. Spring runs to July 4th in Seattle! It will be close but there is still more coming with the tune also. If John completely figures out launch control and Tq limits i think 11.49s possible.
Its possible the dp does nothing right now as i could be maxed out on tq. My advantage now is mostly in holding power and fast shifts.

 

[brancky3]

My advantage now is mostly in holding power and fast shifts.

And that sweet sweet AWD launch

 

[Allmanb]

Interesting so you think the JB4 is not allowing you to fully use LC ?

Launch control works, car is pulling through the brakes.

Are you pushing the brake hard? Mine spin on occasion but think i could be pushing harder on the brake.

I push it pretty hard but not as hard as i can. I just wait until either the 2nd honk (mexico racing) or the 2nd light after the staging lights come on to activate it. Stock i was able to get it up to 2300rpm then go but didn't seem to make a difference since it was a turd off launch haha.

With the engine running, will your brake pedal sink to the stops under moderate to hard pressure? My car does, which KIA says is normal. I have seen this first hand in other Stingers as well - both new and with mileage.

Nope. Pedal is nice and firm like it should be.

 

[SteveCo]

Nope. Pedal is nice and firm like it should be.

Thanks. Damned if I can figure out why some cars behave like that, but this has gone all the way to corporate and they claim it is 'normal operation'.

 

[Allmanb]

Thanks. Damned if I can figure out why some cars behave like that, but this has gone all the way to corporate and they claim it is 'normal operation'.

It should be firm and not soft. My performance pack mustang had the 6 pot brembos and you just used your big toe to stop haha

 

[SteveCo]

It should be firm and not soft. My performance pack mustang had the 6 pot brembos and you just used your big toe to stop haha

Performance isn't a problem - they stop on a dime, and haul the car down from extra-legal speeds with no issues at all.

The dealer has conducted pressure tests and everything is in spec - just keep pressing harder, and the pedal will gradually go to the stops. I've seen the exact same behaviour on two other cars on the lot, and they say they've tried several.

 

[Terry@BMS]

Remember a few weeks ago when we reminded Tork that true boost, load, and torque are stored across multiple modules, so it's a waste of time to flash their customers cars back to stock or sell them extra ECUs. Off the top of my head I listed several modules I know stores those values on the BMW platform. Among them the fuel pump control module.

John made a huge production that he knows for a fact based on his extensive work with the platform that there isn't a fuel control module. And the system is nothing at all like the BMW systems we're used to. He even challenged us in his signature to locate the module because we're idiots for suggesting it exists. Despite that fact that all other modern ECUs we work with use one.

I'm digging through the documentation working on fuel pump upgrades. And wouldn't you know it, they indicate a fuel pump control module after all. Turns out he's the idiot lol.

 

[Angel]

Remember a few weeks ago when we reminded Tork that true boost, load, and torque are stored across multiple modules, so it's a waste of time to flash their customers cars back to stock or sell them extra ECUs. Off the top of my head I listed several modules I know stores those values on the BMW platform. Among them the fuel pump control module.

John made a huge production that he knows for a fact based on his extensive work with the platform that there isn't a fuel control module. And the system is nothing at all like the BMW systems we're used to. He even challenged us in his signature to locate the module because we're idiots for suggesting it exists. Despite that fact that all other modern ECUs we work with use one.

I'm digging through the documentation working on fuel pump upgrades. And wouldn't you know it, they indicate a fuel pump control module after all. Turns out he's the idiot lol.

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Does this mean he should update his signature?? Lol hahahahaha.... Let me keep it together lol

 

[washguy]

Terry The " Torq Brothers" will say " Yeah just because you saw it in a lame diagram doesn't mean crap" BUT if I was on ebay and actually saw one for sale wonder what the brothers would say?
"just because its on ebay doesn't mean crap" lol Wash
2018 2019 KIA STINGER GT OEM FUEL PUMP CONTROL MODULE P/N 33040J5000 | eBay

 

[Sales@Tork]

Washy we know its their now when we did our research the first time and talked to our dealers they stated it didnt exist on the car. Looks like he finally beat us in something We can at least admit when we are wrong and not throw out childish insults

 

[TwinSnails]

Washy we know its their now when we did our research the first time and talked to our dealers they stated it didnt exist on the car. Looks like he finally beat us in something We can at least admit when we are wrong and not throw out childish insults

The only reason I’ve found some humor in this is that you guys literally stood 110% firm in it not being there.

At some point and time you guys will level out I hope and start to promote your knowledge with a cooperative approach with some type of contractual partnership that protects your work and benefits the OBD2 flash tools.

Signing on with SCT, etc. normally can work as a royalty or discount for base tunes.

 

[Angel]

Terry The " Torq Brothers" will say " Yeah just because you saw it in a lame diagram doesn't mean crap" BUT if I was on ebay and actually saw one for sale wonder what the brothers would say?
"just because its on ebay doesn't mean crap" lol Wash
2018 2019 KIA STINGER GT OEM FUEL PUMP CONTROL MODULE P/N 33040J5000 | eBay

Wash why you have to do this ......lol hahahaha I literally have watery eyes from laughing... dude stop posting this kind of stuff when I am at work trying focus .....post this kind of stuff after 5 pm...

 

[Sales@Tork]

The only reason I’ve found some humor in this is that you guys literally stood 110% firm in it not being there.

At some point and time you guys will level out I hope and start to promote your knowledge with a cooperative approach with some type of contractual partnership that protects your work and benefits the OBD2 flash tools.

Signing on with SCT, etc. normally can work as a royalty or discount for base tunes.

OBD may never happen with this car because of how encrypted it is. But there was a reason we took a step back from the forums. We are trying to level out some but its hard when insults get thrown at us non stop no matter what we state.

 

[TwinSnails]

The encryption on the Ram’s have been problematic for companies, too. I guess really depends on the interest in the larger companies to invest in the platform, the newest GM ECU and OBD2 were claimed to be impossible and they got busted into in about 8 months.... and now easily Autocal tuneable.

 

[Angel]

Washy we know its their now when we did our research the first time and talked to our dealers they stated it didnt exist on the car. Looks like he finally beat us in something We can at least admit when we are wrong and not throw out childish insults

Nice man .... The least you can do update you signature lol ..... ohh I see that you did

OBD may never happen with this car because of how encrypted it is. But there was a reason we took a step back from the forums. We are trying to level out some but its hard when insults get thrown at us non stop no matter what we state.

oh cry me a river lol .... please stop acting like you are a victim here .... don’t play the victim role please .... you have insulted Terry and others plenty of time here on this forum alone when they don’t agree with you ....I would not say there would never be OBD Tunning lol never say never lol I am sure you found that out quickly lol with the fuel module ..... Again let me keep it together ..... you see the difference between you and Terry is that when people don’t agree with you you straight tell them to F off ... when people don’t agree with Terry he responds with knowledge and kindness .... great example is Bears for life had his confrontation with Terry on differences of opinion .... and you know what Terry did when he asked him to include the IAT wires he just gave it to him for free ... he didn’t have to do that .... that’s the difference .... now I am not hating these are facts that are all documented here on the forum .....

 

[Terry@BMS]

OBD may never happen with this car because of how encrypted it is. But there was a reason we took a step back from the forums. We are trying to level out some but its hard when insults get thrown at us non stop no matter what we state.

Funny because 2 days ago you literally were all over the Pure hybrid turbo thread talking crap until the moderators went in and deleted all your posts.

Regarding the FPCM you could have said "I don't think that module exists" and moved on to address my point. Which was several modules out on the CANbus record parameters changed by flash tuning so your having customers buy new ECU's and flash back to stock is pointless. But instead armed with no facts you choose to rant on about how there is no FPCM, even adding it your signature, bringing it up several times here and on Facebook. As if it was some major revelation.

Now that it turns out there is a FPCM and it's literally 100% identical to the BMW implementation, of course it's comical to me. But also reinforces what I've always suspected about you. As I said previously I'm happy you're playing with the tuning and trying to push the Stinger platform but I just don't know how your customers muster up the faith to trust their engines to you.