Stinger JB4 Pure Hybrid Turbo Testing

[DarthVaderIX]

e85 is not going to cut it at this power level with the current fuel system. We had to go to 109 and meth. So like Terry said, were going to up the jet size for now until were done with the fuel delivery project. That part of this project will be released when we're done. Sad, but this gets out of control easy around here. I think from now on I'll take that route.

I appreciate the information, I ask out of ignorance and trying to understand. It is sad things go that way.

 

[Terry@BMS]

Ok I understand you will run ecu flash Tunning in hand with the JB4 ... is Tork doing the flash Tunning ?? Lol jk who is performing the flash Tunning ?

If you want some inside baseball, the way it works is you buy flashing tools and a DAMOS (directory of tables and addresses) from a special company, like Dimsport, and then you start adjusting things in the tables to figure out what effect it has on the tuning, and develop a working tune. There are 100s of tuner shops that do that sort of work. Eventually some larger shops like Cobb, HP Tuners, APR, MHD, etc, etc, package all that up in easy to use at home flashing tools and volume sell it.

For now it's all lower volume tuning small shops like Tork and whoever that is doing it. So you'd have to work with one of those guys. With these early stages of flash tuning I don't get BMS involved normally because it's simply not profitable for us. But I often work with flash tuners (we share mutually beneficial data on the back end) for the common goal of happy customers running fast times at the tracks and rolling races for marketing. Normally we hope they suggest the JB4 as a logging and fine tuning tool for use with their flash maps, and they always want access to our substantial JB4 customer base to purchase their flashing tools. For those platforms that support it we also publish free tuned maps that we've developed specifically for use with the JB4 so customers can then modify them directly or hire personal tuners to further customize their tuning.

 

[Angel]

If you want some inside baseball, the way it works is you buy flashing tools and a DAMOS (directory of tables and addresses) from a special company, like Dimsport, and then you start adjusting things in the tables to figure out what effect it has on the tuning, and develop a working tune. There are 100s of tuner shops that do that sort of work. Eventually some larger shops like Cobb, HP Tuners, APR, MHD, etc, etc, package all that up in easy to use at home flashing tools and volume sell it.

For now it's all lower volume tuning small shops like Tork and whoever that is doing it. So you'd have to work with one of those guys. With these early stages of flash tuning I don't get BMS involved normally because it's simply not profitable for us. But I often work with flash tuners (we share mutually beneficial data on the back end) for the common goal of happy customers running fast times at the tracks and rolling races for marketing. Normally we hope they suggest the JB4 as a logging and fine tuning tool for use with their flash maps, and they always want access to our substantial JB4 customer base to purchase their flashing tools. For those platforms that support it we also publish free tuned maps that we've developed specifically for use with the JB4 so customers can then modify them directly or hire personal tuners to further customize their tuning.

Thank you for this information ... just trying to learn the ways ... so my question I guess you answered why won’t you develop a tune because it’s not profitable ....I can’t wait till you finish Tunning that car ... I hope that the hybrid turbos will be affordable ... do you expect to have this Tunning done by summer time ??

 

[TwinSnails]

Ok I understand you will run ecu flash Tunning in hand with the JB4 ... is Tork doing the flash Tunning ?? Lol jk who is performing the flash Tunning ?

I’ll answer this one more direct, NO.

Awesome posts coming in now, I edited one of my post about my knowledge apart of any of this. There’s a lot of guys on the forum who have tuned vehicles, not many have helped develop those tunes. I’m not involved with any of this... none. I spent years working with EcoBoost community, the Lq9 engines, the 2zzGE, the LS1, and more. Simply put I have loaded, reviewed, tweaked, and manipulated no less than 200 tunes. Never anything on a Kia, but I can guarantee that it’s not going to be night and day if I chose to do so... just another learning curve to find the correct values and sit for hours on a dyno.

The next ‘fix’ is going to be the backend flash, the final la creme’ Will be when a flash tool company rolls into allow OBD2 flashing.

I’m extemely happy with the adjustablility of the JB4 for MY current power levels. I run Map2... I log it religiously (it’s not needed). I could run Map3 or my own adjusted values.... but MY comfort is MAP2. That’s got nothing to do with JB4 safety, yada yada.

It does have to with what FFP and BMS have been transparent with, a base flash would assist in bringing values back in line. Once that happens ... the next wave of power is useable and enter what I fully expect to be a lot at least 295 width tires trying to be fitted for RWD cars, and even AWD cars trying to run 255 widths.

 

[brancky3]

the next wave of power is useable and enter what I fully expect to be a lot at least 295 width tires trying to be fitted for RWD cars, and even AWD cars trying to run 255 widths.

I'm going 295 in spring! Woot woot!
This car really should have come with 245/275 from the factory at least

 

[Kamauxx]

295s will stick out beyond the fenders, FYI.

 

[Angel]

I'm going 295 in spring! Woot woot!
This car really should have come with 245/275 from the factory at least

I run 245 - 275 awd ... thinking of going 255/285 after these tires were out this summer

 

[brancky3]

295s will stick out beyond the fenders, FYI.

That all depends on the offset of the wheels.

 

[Kamauxx]

That all depends on the offset of the wheels.

I've got +45 on a 10.5" wheel with 285s and it was a c*nt hair beyond the fender at stock ride height. I guess a skinnier wheel could help but then you'll have tire buldge.

There aren't many companies making wheels that'll fit our car with more aggressive offsets than that. What wheels are you getting? Ace Alloy?

 

[Howlingmad]

e85 is not going to cut it at this power level with the current fuel system. We had to go to 109 and meth. So like Terry said, were going to up the jet size for now until were done with the fuel delivery project. That part of this project will be released when we're done. Sad, but this gets out of control easy around here. I think from now on I'll take that route.

Are yall doing bigger pumps and injectors or secondary rails and injectors with a split box?

 

[Angel]

That all depends on the offset of the wheels.

19x8.5 front +35 offset and 19x9.5 rear +40 offset

 

[brancky3]

I've got +45 on a 10.5" wheel with 285s and it was a c*nt hair beyond the fender at stock ride height. I guess a skinnier wheel could help but then you'll have tire buldge.

There aren't many companies making wheels that'll fit our car with more aggressive offsets than that. What wheels are you getting? Ace Alloy?

Forgestar CF5V, rears will be 19x10 +47

 

[Kamauxx]

Forgestar CF5V, rears will be 19x10 +47

That should work well. My issue is I wanted a 10.5 wheel. I didn't want the bulge of a <10" wheel with wide tires or worse, to have the stretch/poke look.

Your car lowered?

 

[TwinSnails]

Forgestar CF5V, rears will be 19x10 +47

Looking forward to the fitment.

 

[brancky3]

That should work well. My issue is I wanted a 10.5 wheel. I didn't want the bulge of a <10" wheel with wide tires or worse, to have the stretch/poke look.

Your car lowered?

Not right now, I'll decide if it needs to be or not after I get the new wheels I guess .

 

[Tonkabob]

An experienced ECU tuner with a Damos file isn't going to be able to over come the ecu torque limits. I may be just a country bumkin but i knew this would hit the same limits that all Stingers are facing and you would end up with big hp poor shifting and mediocre results. (This will be a great roll racer though) I want this to work cause it could be awesome but if you aren't working with lap3 or Tork i think you are heading for a dead end. Your ecu tuner is going to look at this ECU and say its too much effort. If they already had it figured out they would be selling ecu tunes and we would all be running 11.5s.

 

[DarthVaderIX]

An experienced ECU tuner with a Damos file isn't going to be able to over come the ecu torque limits. I may be just a country bumkin but i knew this would hit the same limits that all Stingers are facing and you would end up with big hp poor shifting and mediocre results. (This will be a great roll racer though) I want this to work cause it could be awesome but if you aren't working with lap3 or Tork i think you are heading for a dead end. Your ecu tuner is going to look at this ECU and say its too much effort. If they already had it figured out they would be selling ecu tunes and we would all be running 11.5s.

I don’t think we’ve given it enough time yet. I am confident one of these guys will do it. On another note is everyone having a case of the smondays? It’s quiet in here.

 

[Tonkabob]

I don’t think we’ve given it enough time yet. I am confident one of these guys will do it. On another note is everyone having a case of the smondays? It’s quiet in here.

I agree there is hope and it will work but this ecu is tougher than people think so it will take time.

 

[DarthVaderIX]

I agree there is hope and it will work but this ecu is tougher than people think so it will take time.

Is it encrypted or something are they having trouble getting in to it or writing it. For example and there are many, the L5P duramax was said to be un crackable. It took over 2 years roughly.

 

[Tonkabob]

Is it encrypted or something are they having trouble getting in to it or writing it. For example and there are many, the L5P duramax was said to be un crackable. It took over 2 years roughly.

You can bench flash it but the standard available files only give you the basics, boost, timing , maybe afr. Tork has spent hundreds of hours on shifting launch and torque limits and more but still not 100% there.
Unfortunately picking the wrong horse out of the gate may leave you on an island.