Stinger class and competition

[hej]

The Stinger is probably most comparable to a BMW 4 series Gran Coupe and the Audi S5 Sportback. Price wise, both more or less start where the Kia ends and end up being about $5k~10k more expensive for similar equipment. But they're also overall nicer cars IMO.

 

[CoconutRob]

The Stinger is probably most comparable to a BMW 4 series Gran Coupe and the Audi S5 Sportback. Price wise, both more or less start where the Kia ends and end up being about $5k~10k more expensive for similar equipment. But they're also overall nicer cars IMO.

Well in my opinion that puts stinger in a different class @10k lower price (that'
Alot of money).

 

[Sportstick]

The Stinger is probably most comparable to a BMW 4 series Gran Coupe and the Audi S5 Sportback. Price wise, both more or less start where the Kia ends and end up being about $5k~10k more expensive for similar equipment. But they're also overall nicer cars IMO.

Took a look at the 4 Series Gran Coupe, but the rear seat legroom is almost three inches less than Stinger, while the 3 GT is about 3 inches more...~6 inch difference between the two Bimmers for a dimension important to us. Didn't bother looking at Audi. As a 2016 A6 owner, we're "one and done" with that brand/company.

 

[Sportstick]

Well in my opinion that puts stinger in a different class @10k lower price (that'
Alot of money).

MSRP to MSRP, that would be true, but actual transaction prices of an incentivized existing product versus a new one selling at full MSRP (and in some cases, higher) reduces the financial segmentation distinction.

 

[CoconutRob]

Can't say how common. The $9,325 discount was split between dealer discount and current factory incentives ($4500), which requires leasing. BMW Financial Services is providing some of the incentive. There was also loyalty money as we already have another BMW. Still worth contacting the dealer to see what's possible, as incentives vary by region across the country. In my case, I chose the 330i version, as I can get in more than enough trouble with their 4 cylinder engines, as I've learned in my 2 Series coupe!

That discount sounds fine until I factor in I was hoping to get 4k below msrp on the stinger.

MSRP to MSRP, that would be true, but actual transaction prices of an incentivized existing product versus a new one selling at full MSRP (and in some cases, higher) reduces the financial segmentation distinction.

True but I do not intend to pay full msrp on the kia either

 

[hej]

Took a look at the 4 Series Gran Coupe, but the rear seat legroom is almost three inches less than Stinger, while the 3 GT is about 3 inches more...~6 inch difference between the two Bimmers for a dimension important to us. Didn't bother looking at Audi. As a 2016 A6 owner, we're "one and done" with that brand/company.

Yup, the stinger is a larger car than those two. Pluses and minuses that come with that extra size.

 

[Sportstick]

That discount sounds fine until I factor in I was hoping to get 4k below msrp on the stinger.

True but I do not intend to pay full msrp on the kia either

Best wishes with that...of the three dealers in my area, two want above sticker and one is willing to sell at sticker, and all three have a waiting list. Give it 6-12 months and you should do much better.

 

[CoconutRob]

Best wishes with that...of the three dealers in my area, two want above sticker and one is willing to sell at sticker, and all three have a waiting list. Give it 6-12 months and you should do much better.

I am not purchasing until 2019 model year around oct-Nov 18. I have never and will not pay MSRP or over

 

[Kia Stinger]

This is interesting. The 3-Series GT is never mentioned in comparisons with the Stinger. Why is that? Honestly, I forgot it existed. And when I saw the picture posted on the previous page, I didn't even realize it was the GT. I also must have skimmed past the written text where it was named. But it sounds like there's more legroom in the back - but less room width-wise. So there's some good and some bad...

 

[hej]

The 3-Series GT is never mentioned in comparisons with the Stinger. Why is that? Honestly, I forgot it existed.

Seems like everybody else did too.

 

[Jumpy]

I'm always amused at how some people are incredibly particular about car comparisons

"This one is 2 inches longer, and that one is slightly more expensive, so they're completely incomparable! "

If you make your criteria narrow enough, nothing would be comparable to anything.

 

[Kia Stinger]

I'm always amused at how some people are incredibly particular about car comparisons

"This one is 2 inches longer, and that one is slightly more expensive, so they're completely incomparable! "

If you make your criteria narrow enough, nothing would be comparable to anything.

It's all a big blur these days. Ever since the media talked about the "cavernous" interior of the Buick LaCrosse, I lost faith in most opinions.

 

[German Stinger]

I'm always amused at how some people are incredibly particular about car comparisons

"This one is 2 inches longer, and that one is slightly more expensive, so they're completely incomparable! "

If you make your criteria narrow enough, nothing would be comparable to anything.

Agree. When cars are only comparable if all parameters are very close there is not much to compare. Ok, things like dimensions or performance should be in the same range. But I cannot understand why the price should put two cars in different categories. If dimension, performance etc. are similar they are comparable. Being cheaper is simply a pro.

 

[CoconutRob]

Agree. When cars are only comparable if all parameters are very close there is not much to compare. Ok, things like dimensions or performance should be in the same range. But I cannot understand why the price should put two cars in different categories. If dimension, performance etc. are similar they are comparable. Being cheaper is simply a pro.

Price differences of 8 to 12k is a big deal to avg. Consumers that amount over 50k is out of my class and same amount under 50k I do not like anything. Of course its a pro to be lower! For instance the 2018 campy xse v6 39k hated it. Here are a few examples, Mustang camaro, camry, maxima, regal fusion, etc many many more with most cars. Now the 2.0t version of stinger I see a lot of direct competition. I think comparable cars should be no more than 4-5k apart

 

[Sportstick]

Price differences of 8 to 12k is a big deal to avg. Consumers that amount over 50k is out of my class and same amount under 50k I do not like anything. Of course its a pro to be lower! For instance the 2018 campy xse v6 39k hated it. Here are a few examples, Mustang camaro, camry, maxima, regal fusion, etc many many more with most cars. Now the 2.0t version of stinger I see a lot of direct competition. I think comparable cars should be no more than 4-5k apart

You make a completely valid point. Within the auto industry (I worked for OEM for 25 years), vehicle segmentation takes both physical characteristics and price into account. There are, for example, segments of "Compact" and "Premium Compact", which are developed on the reality that consumers tend to cross-consider vehicles which cluster on similar type and price ranges. Most Chevy Cruze buyers do not consider a MB C Class, etc. The question is where to draw the line. At MSRP, Stinger and any comparable BMW/MB/Audi would typically be considered in different segments and not direct competitors. It is when variable market forces are factored in, such as large and asymetrical incentives, that unusual comparisons (such as the one I raised with the 330i GT) occur.

 

[Kia Stinger]

I feel showing the big picture is the best way to allow customers to compare vehicles. But if somebody is looking for a Camry, they should be shown options in a similar price range. However, whatever they're looking at should also display vehicles of the same type with obvious mention

Agree. When cars are only comparable if all parameters are very close there is not much to compare. Ok, things like dimensions or performance should be in the same range. But I cannot understand why the price should put two cars in different categories. If dimension, performance etc. are similar they are comparable. Being cheaper is simply a pro.

Right, if things like dimensions and performance are similar - they should be in the same category. If a consumer if looking for price comparisons, obviously those within the range of the main vehicle should be displayed more prominently...

 

[damtachoa]

I'll take Kia Stinger over BMW 3, 4 Series.

 

[admonite]

I just went to the BMW site and built a 340i Gran Turismo. There were no whammy's. Every interior color I selected...and there were many of them... was available with each exterior color I selected. Therefore, I could find color combinations I could live with, though most of them were subdued colors. It really is nice not to be disappointed that every choice you make eliminates another choice you want to make. I've mentioned it before...but many American Manufacturers have the same problem as the Kia Stinger in this respect. Thank you for pointing this out. I will be adding the 330i and 340i GT to my list and watching for a 9k or more discount of some sort. I will have to actually sit in one myself first to verify the rear legroom though.

 

[BahamaTodd]

Well the 3 series GT is marketed more like a crossover. Its taller than the sedan, and only available with AWD in the US.

The Stinger really stands in a class of its own when you look at every attribute (hatch, RWD, power, cost, size etc) Nothing else has that combination, but the closest vehicles will be the 3 series GT, 4 series Gran Coupe, A5/S5 Sportback, Buick Regal, and VW Arteon.

 

[CoconutRob]

Well the 3 series GT is marketed more like a crossover. Its taller than the sedan, and only available with AWD in the US.

The Stinger really stands in a class of its own when you look at every attribute (hatch, RWD, power, cost, size etc) Nothing else has that combination, but the closest vehicles will be the 3 series GT, 4 series Gran Coupe, A5/S5 Sportback, Buick Regal, and VW Arteon.

....and so far kia has done a great job of taking the best aspects af all into one. I keep my cars for a long time and I am very picky when choosing. So besides mis ing some options and choices and rumors of this car selling over msrp. Stinger would be my perfect car. This is why unfortunately my search continues. Definitely excited for the Arteon also (I keep forgetting about it) although I built one on the UK site and optioned out comparable to the stinger (if I remember correct ) it was over 60k more than 10k over my budget if it sells here withe comparable conversion rate.