Alex on Auto Stinger GT AWD 0-60

[Bamm1]

 

[BahamaTodd]

3 run average - meaning one of the runs was even quicker.

 

[Kia Stinger]

That's pretty awesome! So he had to have got a 4.5 in there. And we know Car and Driver got a 4.4... This car is pretty darn quick!

 

[Bamm1]

That's pretty awesome! So he had to have got a 4.5 in there. And we know Car and Driver got a 4.4... This car is pretty darn quick!

Plus, Car and Driver couldn't get launch control to function.

Alex got 0-60 in 4.85 sec for the Infiniti Q50 RS400 as a frame of reference.

 

[Kia Stinger]

Plus, Car and Driver couldn't get launch control to function.

Alex got 0-60 in 4.85 sec for the Infiniti Q50 RS400 as a frame of reference.

That's very interesting. But that video of the Q50 walking the G70 leaves me pretty confident in the Infiniti's capability. (take this comment with a grain of salt - I'm having trouble finding the video)

 

[Bamm1]

That's very interesting. But that video of the Q50 walking the G70 leaves me pretty confident in the Infiniti's capability.

I don't think I am familar with that video.

But I am very surprised to hear the lighter G70 would get walked by the Q50. Given the Stinger's performance with nonfunctional LC in C&D's recent test and how the G70 has won all of the contests I have seen where it was pitted against the Stinger.

Q50 RS400(1st) / Stinger GT(2nd)
Weight: 3895lbs / 4004lbs.
0-60: 4.5 / 4.4
0-100: 10.5 / 10.6
1/4 mile: 13.0@112mph / 12.9@111mph
5-60: 5.0 / 5.0
30-50: 3.2 / 2.5
50-70: 3.3 / 3.2

Almost a second faster from 30-50. That is moving.....

 

[STINGER]

That's very interesting. But that video of the Q50 walking the G70 leaves me pretty confident in the Infiniti's capability.

Interesting, can you please share the video.

 

[ralzod]

Interesting, can you please share the video.

He's probably referring to this one...

I found G70 VS Stinger GT drag racing video. Racing starts at 2:20.

 

[Kia Stinger]

Strange, I did think it was the video above as well - but the Infiniti didn't win either of those three races... Was that the Q50S Hybrid or the Red Sport 400?

 

[Bamm1]

Strange, I did think it was the video above as well - but the Infiniti didn't win either of those three races... Was that the Q50S Hybrid or the Red Sport 400?

The "Q50 walking the G70" comment really threw me off. The G70 wins each race with little difficulty, so I assumed it could not be this video.

It is a Q50S Hybrid.

Based on instrumented testing from the car mags I think the Q50 RS400 and the Stinger GT are very closely matched. Since that is the case, the G70 will likely be slightly faster than both.

 

[Kia Stinger]

I added a little "grain of salt" message to my post. In the race I saw, unless I dreamt it (I don't know why I'd do that), it looked like the Red Sport would have been about 2 or 3 tenths of a second faster than the G70 in the quarter mile - in that specific race...

 

[Bamm1]

I added a little "grain of salt" message to my post. In the race I saw, unless I dreamt it (I don't know why I'd do that), it looked like the Red Sport would have been about 2 or 3 tenths of a second faster than the G70 in the quarter mile - in that specific race...

I believe the G70 has only been released in Korea to date. So it would have likely come out of there. I don't recall seeing a video pitting the two against each other {I have all kinds of alerts set up for the Stinger and G70).

The RWD Q50 RS400 does have traction issues at launch. An AWD version, putting the power down better, may be able to best the 3.3T siblings by a few tenths.

 

[Kia Stinger]

I believe the G70 has only been released in Korea to date. So it would have likely come out of there. I don't recall seeing a video pitting the two against each other {I have all kinds of alerts set up for the Stinger and G70).

The RWD Q50 RS400 does have traction issues at launch. An AWD version, putting the power down better, may be able to best the 3.3T siblings by a few tenths.

Well, I don't like that I somehow imagined this up. But I do love my renewed belief that the G70 might not be getting beaten by the Red Sport 400. I REALLY do like that Infiniti - especially in coupe form (from the back). But I'm much more of a Hyundai/Genesis/Kia enthusiast than I am Infiniti. So I'm glad to hear my favorite could still come out on top... I wonder which brand will have more tunes available...

 

[Bamm1]

Well, I don't like that I somehow imagined this up. But I do love my renewed belief that the G70 might not be getting beaten by the Red Sport 400. I REALLY do like that Infiniti - especially in coupe form (from the back). But I'm much more of a Hyundai/Genesis/Kia enthusiast than I am Infiniti. So I'm glad to hear my favorite could still come out on top... I wonder which brand will have more tunes available...

I think they are very evenly matched. Racing surface, driver, etc. can all swing it one way or the other.

Nissan had a head start with lots of tuners working on the GTR, Juke, etc. A lot of those companies jumped right into the Infiniti models as well (Stillen, etc.) The biggest BMW tuner here in the US has also jumped into the Infiniti game.

There are Korean and domestic tuners working on 1.6/2.0 Hyundai/Kia engines. Its not as big as say the VAG or Subaru community, but not insignificant. I expect them to jump into the 3.3T tuning game as well (some already have).

The big question is, will companies that work on Subaru, VAG, BMW, etc. try their hand at the 2.0T and 3.3T engines now that they are used in models that were designed with driving dynamics in mind. We shall see.....

 

[Brian Keenan]

I think they are very evenly matched. Racing surface, driver, etc. can all swing it one way or the other.

Nissan had a head start with lots of tuners working on the GTR, Juke, etc. A lot of those companies jumped right into the Infiniti models as well (Stillen, etc.) The biggest BMW tuner here in the US has also jumped into the Infiniti game.

There are Korean and domestic tuners working on 1.6/2.0 Hyundai/Kia engines. Its not as big as say the VAG or Subaru community, but not insignificant. I expect them to jump into the 3.3T tuning game as well (some already have).

The big question is, will companies that work on Subaru, VAG, BMW, etc. try their hand at the 2.0T and 3.3T engines now that they are used in models that were designed with driving dynamics in mind. We shall see.....

That's a good question about whether or not the big tuners will focus on the 3.3t. Do the companies that tune German cars also tune Japanese cars? I know there are alot of options for Germany and Japan but I don't think too many are focusing on Korea.

 

[Kia Stinger]

I think they are very evenly matched. Racing surface, driver, etc. can all swing it one way or the other.

Nissan had a head start with lots of tuners working on the GTR, Juke, etc. A lot of those companies jumped right into the Infiniti models as well (Stillen, etc.) The biggest BMW tuner here in the US has also jumped into the Infiniti game.

There are Korean and domestic tuners working on 1.6/2.0 Hyundai/Kia engines. Its not as big as say the VAG or Subaru community, but not insignificant. I expect them to jump into the 3.3T tuning game as well (some already have).

The big question is, will companies that work on Subaru, VAG, BMW, etc. try their hand at the 2.0T and 3.3T engines now that they are used in models that were designed with driving dynamics in mind. We shall see.....

It does seem that way (they're evenly matched). The Genesis will be a little lighter and the Infiniti will be a little more powerful. However, we know the G70 will be getting a stronger tune. It'll be interesting to see some races...

 

[Bamm1]

That's a good question about whether or not the big tuners will focus on the 3.3t. Do the companies that tune German cars also tune Japanese cars? I know there are alot of options for Germany and Japan but I don't think too many are focusing on Korea.

I think the issue is that a large majority of the Japanese vehicles have/had naturally aspirated engines (IS350, last gen Q50, TLX, etc.). Tunes for those models offer much lower performance gains vs. their forced induction brethren. The Germans seemed to go the FI route early and often, so there are more tuners in that community. Now that more JDM companies have taken the plunge we see companies that worked on the Germans moving over. Working on Infinitis, Fords, etc. as they add FI models accross the board.

The biggest hurdle I see is how many models will be on the road with the 3.3T and what percentage of those owners will want a tune? If the companies can't make money it won't be worth the effort to go through development.

I can see G80 Sport owners, Stinger GT owners and G70 Sport owners getting on board (not so much the G90). The fact that the same products will likely work on all of them really helps as your customer base becomes everyone pooled together.

 

[Kia Stinger]

I think the issue is that a large majority of the Japanese vehicles have/had naturally aspirated engines (IS350, last gen Q50, TLX, etc.). Tunes for those models offer much lower performance gains vs. their forced induction brethren. The Germans seemed to go the FI route early and often, so there are more tuners in that community. Now that more JDM companies have taken the plunge we see companies that worked on the Germans moving over. Working on Infinitis, Fords, etc. as they add FI models accross the board.

The biggest hurdle I see is how many models will be on the road with the 3.3T and what percentage of those owners will want a tune? If the companies can't make money it won't be worth the effort to go through development.

I can see G80 Sport owners, Stinger GT owners and G70 Sport owners getting on board (not so much the G90). The fact that the same products will likely work on all of them really helps as your customer base becomes everyone pooled together.

It's a shame because the Japanese companies really got things started before the Germans with cars like the twin turbo Nissan 300ZX, Mazda RX7, and Toyota Supra. Since then it's been all Germany.

I think between the G70, G80, and Stinger there will be enough of a market to work on the 3.3TT V6. Add in the possibility of a new Crossovers and that'll only help...

 

[Alex On Autos]

The issue with the Q50 RS and the reason our numbers varied wildly from the Q50 RS to the Q60 RS is traction. Infiniti's stock tire choice, the fact that we were testing RWD models, the lack of a mechanical LSD and the gearing all lead to pretty severe wheel slip that has to be modulated to get the best 0-60 times. As for C&D not getting launch control to work, the details on that feature were sketchy and at the launch event for the car Kia's initial instructions were incorrect so they probably were unable to figure it out.

 

[ballistic]

The issue with the Q50 RS and the reason our numbers varied wildly from the Q50 RS to the Q60 RS is traction. Infiniti's stock tire choice, the fact that we were testing RWD models, the lack of a mechanical LSD and the gearing all lead to pretty severe wheel slip that has to be modulated to get the best 0-60 times. As for C&D not getting launch control to work, the details on that feature were sketchy and at the launch event for the car Kia's initial instructions were incorrect so they probably were unable to figure it out.

i was wondering about car and driver's issue with traction control so thanks for clearing that up. they did manage the best launch to 60 time anyway. 4.4 is really good. do you think 4.3 is possible with launch control set up and working as it should be?

if you were looking for a car that's comfortable, quiet inside, smooth, roomy, luxurious, handles well enough to keep you confident in nasty situations, would you lean toward the infiniti or the kia?