Wireless Android Auto from Motorola

[stoopid]

except that has been proven multiple times to not be the case when using this charging pad specifically. Plenty of reports of it just overheating for no reason. Case and point being that my work iPhone overheated this morning on the charging pad and its literally just sitting there charging. Nothing runs on it ever. I use it for phone calls at work. everything else in my car I use my personal phone for.
The actual charging pad in the stinger is just designed poorly and inefficiently. You can even plug in 99% of other charging pads via usb and run all the same functions and the phone will be totally fine except for being just a little warm.

It can still overheat even without a case. The pad is nothing unique and doesn't do anything different from any other charging pad on the planet. It's a standard, and it generates heat. Having a case only increases the odds of it happening.

Fwiw, I've had my current and past phones throttle due to heat while using wired android auto in the car. It depends on temps in the car and how much work the phone is doing at the time. That's why phones have a protocol builtin for handling overheat scenarios. It's literally a thing engineered as a possibility in the phone from the factory. Using a wireless charging pad that, as an effect of inefficiency inherent in the Qi standard/process, generates heat is only going to accelerate any borderline overheating situations.

 

[G70LEbyAdoom]

It can still overheat even without a case. The pad is nothing unique and doesn't do anything different from any other charging pad on the planet. It's a standard, and it generates heat. Having a case only increases the odds of it happening.

yes, but again, that's not the issue. the issue is that its quite literally an inefficient design. Not all wireless chargers are created equal, and the one in the stinger is quite possibly the worst wireless charger I have ever personally seen. Yes, the original design was probably from early 2017 if not 2016, but even back then, 5+ watt capable chargers where commonplace. On android their are apps you can use to test the speed of an actual electrical connection measured in MAH (milliamp hours). When I first started using the wireless charger, I found that it only drew a positive of about 250mah above what was needed to charge the phone. (Mind you, this is without AA running) With AA running and the HVAC set to a normal-ish 70F, the charging pad would jump between +25 and -100 mah, which means it is draining faster 80% of the time than it is charging. Thus causing the overheating issue because the phone is requesting more power than the charger can provide.

with the HVAC set as low as I could and at full blast, I can get the charging pad up to +75/+100mah of charging, which is why the common fix has been to blast the AC to the rear seats. With all these numbers in mind, they would be considered great in 2010, but not in even the earliest of stingers.

The wireless charger in my 2014 CTS-V-Sport worked way better than in this car.

All of this testing was done on a Galaxy Z Fold 2 for reference, and the explanation was simplified because electricity is complicated.

 

[stoopid]

yes, but again, that's not the issue. the issue is that its quite literally an inefficient design. Not all wireless chargers are created equal, and the one in the stinger is quite possibly the worst wireless charger I have ever personally seen. Yes, the original design was probably from early 2017 if not 2016, but even back then, 5+ watt capable chargers where commonplace. On android their are apps you can use to test the speed of an actual electrical connection measured in MAH (milliamp hours). When I first started using the wireless charger, I found that it only drew a positive of about 250mah above what was needed to charge the phone. (Mind you, this is without AA running) With AA running and the HVAC set to a normal-ish 70F, the charging pad would jump between +25 and -100 mah, which means it is draining faster 80% of the time than it is charging. Thus causing the overheating issue because the phone is requesting more power than the charger can provide.

with the HVAC set as low as I could and at full blast, I can get the charging pad up to +75/+100mah of charging, which is why the common fix has been to blast the AC to the rear seats. With all these numbers in mind, they would be considered great in 2010, but not in even the earliest of stingers.

The wireless charger in my 2014 CTS-V-Sport worked way better than in this car.

All of this testing was done on a Galaxy Z Fold 2 for reference, and the explanation was simplified because electricity is complicated.

Sorry for making you write such a lengthy reply, but we're on the same page now at least.

Definitely an issue if the vehicle, or in this case the ducting under the center console that runs to the rear, is too hot. I know some have complained about the console overheating their phones on the charging pad if they had the heat on. Good reminder for anyone reading to check the heat adjustment setting for the rear passengers, if it's set to hot and you're using AC up front it will still send hot air back there. It should be noted that my recent posts regarding overheating were when the car had been operating for a while with AC running, so ideal conditions for preventing an overheat situation (the air in the ducting under the pad cool, cabin temp 73F).

The other issue is the engine with two turbos generates a lot of heat on its own, and it being a Kia doesn't have particularly robust heat shielding at the firewall. I've noticed getting back into the car after a drive and within 10 minutes the interior is very warm even when the ambient temps are not.

All these things can definitely conspire to trap heat where the charging pad is located, and most Qi devices (and electronics in general) will operate less efficiently when hot. My thoughts specific to the Stinger is that the charging pad is mostly out of the sun, which helps offset some of the warming its receiving from where it ended up being placed. On my prior GM vehicle it was where our buttons and mode selector are located, and if the sun was shining in the phone would get noticeably warmer while charging.

Not sure there is a better place on our car to put the pad, but maybe more insulation/shielding under or around the pad would mitigate any heat buildup from the HVAC and/or engine bay. Maybe a tiny vent for air movement across the pad area? I've seen the drain effect with phones even when charging over a cable, usually when navigating which seems to require the most resources. It's weird seeing the battery drain a few percent over time despite it being connected to a charger, and the phone is almost always really warm. Because I've seen this with wired connections, I just assumed the amount of power being supplied (usually a legacy .5-1A/5V) was less than the draw/amount being used by the phone. I'm still unsure what could be done to change this reality, seems like a matter of too little coming in and too much leaving. Can both of the phones we use draw more than the Qi pad can generate, if they were so tasked?

 

[G70LEbyAdoom]

Sorry for making you write such a lengthy reply, but we're on the same page now at least.

Definitely an issue if the vehicle, or in this case the ducting under the center console that runs to the rear, is too hot. I know some have complained about the console overheating their phones on the charging pad if they had the heat on. Good reminder for anyone reading to check the heat adjustment setting for the rear passengers, if it's set to hot and you're using AC up front it will still send hot air back there. It should be noted that my recent posts regarding overheating were when the car had been operating for a while with AC running, so ideal conditions for preventing an overheat situation (the air in the ducting under the pad cool, cabin temp 73F).

The other issue is the engine with two turbos generates a lot of heat on its own, and it being a Kia doesn't have particularly robust heat shielding at the firewall. I've noticed getting back into the car after a drive and within 10 minutes the interior is very warm even when the ambient temps are not.

All these things can definitely conspire to trap heat where the charging pad is located, and most Qi devices (and electronics in general) will operate less efficiently when hot. My thoughts specific to the Stinger is that the charging pad is mostly out of the sun, which helps offset some of the warming its receiving from where it ended up being placed. On my prior GM vehicle it was where our buttons and mode selector are located, and if the sun was shining in the phone would get noticeably warmer while charging.

Not sure there is a better place on our car to put the pad, but maybe more insulation/shielding under or around the pad would mitigate any heat buildup from the HVAC and/or engine bay. Maybe a tiny vent for air movement across the pad area? I've seen the drain effect with phones even when charging over a cable, usually when navigating which seems to require the most resources. It's weird seeing the battery drain a few percent over time despite it being connected to a charger, and the phone is almost always really warm. Because I've seen this with wired connections, I just assumed the amount of power being supplied (usually a legacy .5-1A/5V) was less than the draw/amount being used by the phone. I'm still unsure what could be done to change this reality, seems like a matter of too little coming in and too much leaving. Can both of the phones we use draw more than the Qi pad can generate, if they were so tasked?

1. Pathetically low wattage aside, Agreed. with the heat on, their is basically no way for the charging pad to work with any device at all.

2. I have noticed this as well, the heat leaking into the cabin and some more heat shielding or high heat tape in the engine bay on the firewall may aid in the solution.

3. Agreed as well, most of the ambient heat comes from it being in a very not well sealed location. Im not sure if you have dived into that part of the vehicle as all years but the 18's had them already, But I retrofitted my charging pad in place. I have been all up in there so to speak, and it seems almost like their is a small gap between where the vent lane is coming down from the center stack of the car and transitioning to the center console, which could be the culprit. more proof I have to back this up is that I have the Korean center console top, and if the heat or AC is on full blast, I can actually feel it leak through the small flap that opens and closes to cover the cup holders.

4. I have actually completely covered the duct running from where the center console starts all the way to the rear vents with heat resistant/isolation tape. I don't think it did anything because I DID NOT cover where the two vents actually connect, which I now believe to have been a mistake and I should have connected them.

5. Sometime this summer I plan to spend a day tearing apart my center console again and covering every single leaky area I can find with High heat tape. I have already tried inversely attaching high heat tape to the wireless charger itself, and in doing so caused it to overheat almost instantly when I tried it, and I even tried it when it was completely out of the center console, with no possible way of heat from the car hitting it. The major problem with them is that unlike every other wireless charging pad ever, the 18-21 (maybe 21's had it, I'm not entirely sure) did not have a fan integrated anywhere on the charging pads. The 22's (and I can only assume the 23's) do. I don't actually think that we have seen a single complaint about the wireless charging pad from any 22 and up owners (yet at least)
6. I am going to try two different things.

6a. The first is that I am going to 3d print an adapter to shove the largest PC fan I can find and point that bitch right at the bottom of the charging pad. Tap into a 5v connection (even better if its one directly tied to the pad) and bam, fan. hopefully that will suffice and will be semi easy for anyone else to do.

6b. if that doesn't work, I know of a proper wireless charging pad that fits the same dimensions of the pad in the stingers wireless charger area, so I will sacrifice a USB cable and splice the new charger into that area. I may even be able to retain the little orange indicator light if all goes well. Something like this has been done before on here, and the guy who did it had his post more or less fade into nothingness, which is a shame because he was a really smart dude and it worked pretty well. I only know he did it because I sold him my original center console for him to play around with to get it working.

 

[stoopid]

The MA1 has been coming in/out of stock on Amazon more frequently in the past month. Anyone looking to snag one at $89 should probably save this link and check daily.

I'm still very pleased with mine. I haven't had a long road trip recently to try using my phone out of its case with wireless android auto and wireless charging, which was causing overheating issues. I'm still going to report back my results when I finally have a chance to test.

 

[Landshark]

FYI, was using Poweramp for music player on Android Auto, but i'd have to push "play" every time it started up.

switched to Jet Audio music player (used to use it in a previous car and liked it), and now the music will start automatically when AA starts.
has a a 20 band EQ and optional spatializer and audio enhancer plug-ins you can buy.

jetAudio HD Music Player - Apps on Google Play

Network/Cloud Streaming, Visualization, Graphic Equalizer and Sound Effects.

play.google.com

the thin wireless charger has been working great - phone doesn't get hot, and its usually fully or close to fully charged when i get where i'm going - not used to that LOL. i even put the factory rubber pad back in with the thin charger on top of that, and my S21 Ultra w/case still fits fine.

 

[Vega312]

Mine keeps dying every 5 months or so. About to claim warranty for the second time. Could be hot Florida summers...

 

[Vega312]

My Motorola dongle craps out every 4 months or so. The adapter randomly keeps disconnecting from my phone which is annoying. Just claimed the warranty for the second time. Going to remove the dongle from the tray and place it somewhere else as it's most likely overheating.

 

[JSolo]

^^Does the device get hot/warm to the touch?

 

[Vega312]

^^Does the device get hot/warm to the touch?

Yes, the dongle gets hot to the touch. Just ordered an extension USB cable so that I could place it elsewhere.
At least the warranty process is hustle free and is done through chat.

 

[JSolo]

Place it in the pass footwell. Adjust hvac to blow air. Probably doesn't even have to be a strong air stream, just some air movement.

 

[stoopid]

Yes, the dongle gets hot to the touch. Just ordered an extension USB cable so that I could place it elsewhere.
At least the warranty process is hustle free and is done through chat.

I haven't thought to touch mine, but also haven't had any issues (aside from what was traced out to be a smartphone overheating issue while charging wirelessly) and it's sitting curled up where the usb port is, out in the open and in direct sun when it's midday. At times this summer the car's interior here in the desert was +/- 150F and the adapter picked right up the moment the car was started like normal. I'd think if heat were a known issue with them, I'd see the issue for sure.

 

[G70LEbyAdoom]

I haven't thought to touch mine, but also haven't had any issues (aside from what was traced out to be a smartphone overheating issue while charging wirelessly) and it's sitting curled up where the usb port is, out in the open and in direct sun when it's midday. At times this summer the car's interior here in the desert was +/- 150F and the adapter picked right up the moment the car was started like normal. I'd think if heat were a known issue with them, I'd see the issue for sure.

Same thing with my AA wireless dongle. No issues with heat and its right by the port in direct sunlight. Maybe OP managed to get two dongles from the same batch with overheating issues?

 

[Vega312]

I haven't thought to touch mine, but also haven't had any issues (aside from what was traced out to be a smartphone overheating issue while charging wirelessly) and it's sitting curled up where the usb port is, out in the open and in direct sun when it's midday. At times this summer the car's interior here in the desert was +/- 150F and the adapter picked right up the moment the car was started like normal. I'd think if heat were a known issue with them, I'd see the issue for sure.

I live in Florida and my black stinger does become an over at times...

 

[Vega312]

Place it in the pass footwell. Adjust hvac to blow air. Probably doesn't even have to be a strong air stream, just some air movement.

Will try that as two faulty dongles is a bit suspicious...

 

[JSolo]

Will try that as two faulty dongles is a bit suspicious...

Ha! Read this thread for suspicious!!

[SOLVED] PC Instability related to reset/power button failure

tl;dr 50¢ part costs $1200 to fix!! Case power/reset switches do go bad over time. Check there first by disconnecting from mainboard. -------------------- I know we got some geeks on here, maybe can offer a perspective im missing. About a month ago I started having strange issues on a pc...

stingerforum.org

 

[stoopid]

I live in Florida and my black stinger does become an over at times...

Don't you dare try to "out oven" me.

 

[Vega312]

Don't you dare try to "out oven" me.

I think high humidity makes all the difference here...

 

[stoopid]

Had a long enough drive today to confirm removing the phone from the case I use seems to have resolved the overheating/disconnect issue when navigating, streaming music, and charging. I had a couple brief stutters and thats it. Phone was also not as hot to the touch when removing it from the pad.

 

[Vega312]

Had a long enough drive today to confirm removing the phone from the case I use seems to have resolved the overheating/disconnect issue when navigating, streaming music, and charging. I had a couple brief stutters and thats it. Phone was also not as hot to the touch when removing it from the pad.

Placing my phone on cooled seats has not done anything for me...