Who craves being thrown back in their seat like a drug?

[HerbieTheCar]

Is the car able to handle 450 whp with stock suspension and not blowing the turbos? Sounds like a lot to add 200 hp without upgrading internals.... and even then why not just buy a stock 600 hp car?

To follow up with @Socalstinga , the Stinger has a lot of headroom for modifications. The Transmission is rated at some 700 lb. ft. of torque and if you look at the JB4 dyno charts on burgertuning.com, with just a JB4, Denso Spark plugs, intake, and 91 Octane, it can make almost 420 WHP. Obviously 30 less than 350, but it can be done if you make the proper modifications.

As to why I didn't buy a stock 600 hp car; it's because I have snow where I live, so AWD is very much needed and I wanted a good looking car on the outside and inside. If I bought a Mustang/Charger/Camaro, it would've looked good on the outside but the inside is poo and I'd need to have a second car to beat around in the winter. Plus, I wanted something that is a little more rare on the road. I see A4s, A5, 325i, 330i, 340i, Mustangs, Camaros, Chargers, Challengers, and all other kinds of shitboxes every day, but I've only seen a few Stingers and it makes me giddy every time.

 

[oddball]

Wow - what are you spending your $$ on?

It's extremely easy to spend a lot on the uncommon brands. In this case, Oldsmobile. Building an equivalent Chevy would be less than half the price. But for Olds, gotta find unusual old parts, get custom bits made, tons of extra machining, etc etc. Even the Buick and Pontiac guys have better aftermarket support than Olds.
In my case, I'm aiming for ~550HP in a small block. Already spent $10k-$15k on the current 403, and the top half will be reused. But a fresh hi-po Olds short block?
getting a 350 diesel block in one piece: $750
Custom crank spacers and caps: $1k
Machining for spacers and caps: $500 (I hope)
Custom billet crank, special order rods, custom pistons: $3k
Boring/decking/balancing: $600
Convert to internal balance flexplate/balancer: $500
Timing set: $200
Dyno time: $500
All The Other Shit I Always Forget: who knows

 

[StingerHopeful]

To follow up with @Socalstinga , the Stinger has a lot of headroom for modifications. The Transmission is rated at some 700 lb. ft. of torque and if you look at the JB4 dyno charts on burgertuning.com, with just a JB4, Denso Spark plugs, intake, and 91 Octane, it can make almost 420 WHP. Obviously 30 less than 350, but it can be done if you make the proper modifications.

As to why I didn't buy a stock 600 hp car; it's because I have snow where I live, so AWD is very much needed and I wanted a good looking car on the outside and inside. If I bought a Mustang/Charger/Camaro, it would've looked good on the outside but the inside is poo and I'd need to have a second car to beat around in the winter. Plus, I wanted something that is a little more rare on the road. I see A4s, A5, 325i, 330i, 340i, Mustangs, Camaros, Chargers, Challengers, and all other kinds of shitboxes every day, but I've only seen a few Stingers and it makes me giddy every time.

I definitely understand that, but I guess if you do all those modifications, you won't lose sleep over the voided warranty if anything bad happens?

 

[HerbieTheCar]

I definitely understand that, but I guess if you do all those modifications, you won't lose sleep over the voided warranty if anything bad happens?

AFAIK, the warranty won't get voided unless the dealership can link the mechanical issue(s) to the modification. But as we all know, the dealership/corporate does not want to pay for warranty repairs unless they really have to so it's good to be prepared for the worst. But in theory, a piggyback chip such as the JB4 is a good first modification since it can be unplugged and taken off the car in less than 15-20 minutes and leaves no traces on the computer logs. For me, a JB4 and new spark plugs gave the car a huge boost to the WHP (haven't dyno'd yet but it feels much faster) for $610 so it's definitely one of the first modification a Stinger should get if they are looking for more power.

 

[StingerHopeful]

AFAIK, the warranty won't get voided unless the dealership can link the mechanical issue(s) to the modification. But as we all know, the dealership/corporate does not want to pay for warranty repairs unless they really have to so it's good to be prepared for the worst. But in theory, a piggyback chip such as the JB4 is a good first modification since it can be unplugged and taken off the car in less than 15-20 minutes and leaves no traces on the computer logs. For me, a JB4 and new spark plugs gave the car a huge boost to the WHP (haven't dyno'd yet but it feels much faster) for $610 so it's definitely one of the first modification a Stinger should get if they are looking for more power.

I'm the last person to point fingers blaming, but maybe since I'm getting older I'm changing lol. But wouldn't we want to avoid lying about how the car broke if we ourselves added in so much hp? If we want the success of the Stinger why would we screw Kia over and make them replace our stuff for free when we messed up?

 

[HerbieTheCar]

I'm the last person to point fingers blaming, but maybe since I'm getting older I'm changing lol. But wouldn't we want to avoid lying about how the car broke if we ourselves added in so much hp? If we want the success of the Stinger why would we screw Kia over and make them replace our stuff for free when we messed up?

That is definitely an ethical debate on whether we should or should not lie regarding how a car broke. Would I do it? Maybe, depending on what broke and how it broke. One guy on here had his transmission blow up due to improper installation from the factory and it took him months to get a replacement Stinger due to the fact that Kia Corporate and the dealership didn't want to shell out the money for the replacement. At the end of the day, there will be people on both ends of the spectrum but due to how warranties are accounted for in the books for Kia and all other companies (by having warranty allowances set up as a liability on their balance sheet. The longer the warranty, the bigger the allowance), they have room to take on replacement and repair expenses because it's just part of the business.

 

[Stinger @ JSC]

It's extremely easy to spend a lot on the uncommon brands. In this case, Oldsmobile. Building an equivalent Chevy would be less than half the price. But for Olds, gotta find unusual old parts, get custom bits made, tons of extra machining, etc etc. Even the Buick and Pontiac guys have better aftermarket support than Olds.
In my case, I'm aiming for ~550HP in a small block. Already spent $10k-$15k on the current 403, and the top half will be reused. But a fresh hi-po Olds short block?
getting a 350 diesel block in one piece: $750
Custom crank spacers and caps: $1k
Machining for spacers and caps: $500 (I hope)
Custom billet crank, special order rods, custom pistons: $3k
Boring/decking/balancing: $600
Convert to internal balance flexplate/balancer: $500
Timing set: $200
Dyno time: $500
All The Other Shit I Always Forget: who knows

I know your pain. I'm in the same boat as you with a 72 Cutlass and parts are getting harder and harder to find.

 

[turboAWD]

It's extremely easy to spend a lot on the uncommon brands. In this case, Oldsmobile. Building an equivalent Chevy would be less than half the price. But for Olds, gotta find unusual old parts, get custom bits made, tons of extra machining, etc etc.

Totally misread your post. I thought you meant - you already built the Olds. Now that you got a Stinger, you love it so much, you want to dump $10K into a Stinger engine build.. And was wondering what that involved.

 

[Gargamel]

It’s a huge engine on a square box. Doesn’t have the finesse of a sedan or a Stinger. Now if I was in the market for a powerful SUV I would consider it. But on the other hand how many miles will it last compared to the other high performance SUVs.

Talking about huge square eh cars.
Some year ago i saw an Hummer H1 i think it was h1, with like 22-24" rims and low profile rubber, from a distance it looked like it only had a eyeliner thick rubber to drive on

 

[oddball]

Totally misread your post. I thought you meant - you already built the Olds. Now that you got a Stinger, you love it so much, you want to dump $10K into a Stinger engine build.. And was wondering what that involved.

Oh no, this is another build for the Cutlass so it can be as .. fast? scary? thrilling? dangerous? ... as the stinger. I've been building, and rebuilding, that car for 25 years.

 

[MerlintheMad]

Talking about huge square eh cars.
Some year ago i saw an Hummer H1 i think it was h1, with like 22-24" rims and low profile rubber, from a distance it looked like it only had a eyeliner thick rubber to drive on

Rubber band tires on 4x4 off-road vehicles look so stupid.

 

[Nick chesrown]

Yeah..... I was happy with my Cutlass.... 450 flywheel HP on the dyno should be enough for anyone, right? But after getting the stinger, now I'm planning to dump (at least) another $10K on another engine build.
At least there's no mystery on where the money goes in our house. My wife just needs to open the door to the garage.

Cutlass? 455?

 

[Pumbaa]

 

[oddball]

Cutlass? 455?

72 Supreme with a 403, 200-4r with 3.73's. Edelbrock heads, hyd roller cam, KB pistons. It runs like a scalded monkey, at least when I have the tune right!

 

[Nick chesrown]

My late father was into drag racing in the 50 thru the early 70’s he always liked the 403 the best

 

[oddball]

Nice!