The local dealer in Arizona says that as heard from Kia USA, the Stinger will arrive sometime between October and December, and that reliable sources point out towards the end of the year. Could people post what they learn about the release dates from their local dealers>
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All I can say, is not soon enough 
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In my experience dealerships have had the least up to date information when it comes to new product launches. So take whatever info is given with a grain of salt. If they end up being correct it might just be pure luck.
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The next big event will be when we finally get the actual US prices from KIA. I have a do not cross figure in my head.
In my case, it is going to be a contest between a BMW 330i / 340i Gran Coupe and Kia Stinger/GT. If the price difference is significant, Kia will be a clear choice. In my reckoning, a difference of $7000-8000 will be significant.
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Sounds like a good guide.
FYI that price difference is looking to be about $30k-40k (aud$) in Australia. So a much easier equation for us. Mainly because your BMW prices seem way better (i.e. more reasonable / less rip-off) than ours.
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We think BMW USA is ripping us off here, with bizarre and greedy option-package linking (e.g. Apple Car Play at US$300 can only be had with a US$1900 nav).
If I am reading you correctly, the difference in Oz between a topped up Stinger GT and a topped up BMW 340i Gran Coupe would be AU$ 30-40k (I recall your mentioning earlier that a 340i GC would be around AU$99k). That is a whopping difference! At this rate, only a BMW fanatic will buy a BMW. The difference in US between these cars would be about US$10k. I hope Kia marketing does their homework and price their cars accordingly both in Australia and here and blow out BMW. However, the cynical corner of my mind tells me Kia , given the enthusiasm it has generated with the Stinger, will price so that the difference will not be of the magnitude we are now hoping for.
BMW sales here is not doing well (9% down from last year). One strategy BMW should consider is allowing more custom building of cars and delinking of option bundles.
For example: I can now build a 230i:Xenon headlights, backup camera, M-Sport Package, heated seats, 6-MT or 8-AT- essentially a basic driver's car, for US$39k before taxes. For some reason, BMW USA allows a greater separation of choices for this one model. It is more likely that Kia will bundle the option packages and not give a lot of individual choices.
We think BMW USA is ripping us off here, with bizarre and greedy option-package linking (e.g. Apple Car Play at US$300 can only be had with a US$1900 nav).
If I am reading you correctly, the difference in Oz between a topped up Stinger GT and a topped up BMW 340i Gran Coupe would be AU$ 30-40k (I recall your mentioning earlier that a 340i GC would be around AU$99k). That is a whopping difference! At this rate, only a BMW fanatic will buy a BMW. The difference in US between these cars would be about US$10k. I hope Kia marketing does their homework and price their cars accordingly both in Australia and here and blow out BMW. However, the cynical corner of my mind tells me Kia , given the enthusiasm it has generated with the Stinger, will price so that the difference will not be of the magnitude we are now hoping for.
BMW sales here is not doing well (9% down from last year). One strategy BMW should consider is allowing more custom building of cars and delinking of option bundles.
For example: I can now build a 230i:Xenon headlights, backup camera, M-Sport Package, heated seats, 6-MT or 8-AT- essentially a basic driver's car, for US$39k before taxes. For some reason, BMW USA allows a greater separation of choices for this one model. It is more likely that Kia will bundle the option packages and not give a lot of individual choices.
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I believe Kia is going to have to undercut BMW starting prices, never mind "highly optioned" models, to stand a chance.
BMW's "hatchback" models come the closest to "like for like". So that would give us the Gran Turismo and the Gran Coupe versions of the 3 and 4 series for comparison.
I also think the Genesis G70 will disrupt the pricing in our favor. There is a $12,850 price difference between the Genesis G80 Sport HTRAC and the Genesis G90 3.3T Premium HTRAC . I don't expect the price different between the G70 Sport HTRAC and the G80 Sport HTRAC to be ~$13,000. But 7-10 grand seems reasonable, depending on content. So that puts the pricing for the G70 Sport HTRAC in the $47,750 - $50,750 range. The 3.3T Stinger GT AWD is going to have to come in under that price range on sheer content alone. There will no 9.2 inch nav screen, no Lexicon Audio, no 3 year free maintenance, etc. for the Stinger.
BMW's "hatchback" models come the closest to "like for like". So that would give us the Gran Turismo and the Gran Coupe versions of the 3 and 4 series for comparison.
- I expect the "loaded" 2.0T Stinger AWD to come in under the starting price of the BMW 430i GC xDrive at $44,200 and the 330i GT at $44,700.
- I expect the "loaded" 3.3T Stinger AWD to come in under the starting price of the BMW 440i GC xDrive at $50,500 and the 340i GT at $50,550.
I also think the Genesis G70 will disrupt the pricing in our favor. There is a $12,850 price difference between the Genesis G80 Sport HTRAC and the Genesis G90 3.3T Premium HTRAC . I don't expect the price different between the G70 Sport HTRAC and the G80 Sport HTRAC to be ~$13,000. But 7-10 grand seems reasonable, depending on content. So that puts the pricing for the G70 Sport HTRAC in the $47,750 - $50,750 range. The 3.3T Stinger GT AWD is going to have to come in under that price range on sheer content alone. There will no 9.2 inch nav screen, no Lexicon Audio, no 3 year free maintenance, etc. for the Stinger.
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Bamm is spot on...
Kia suits are on record stating they expect the fully loaded GT AWD to come in "under $50k" which tells me $49,900. Add the destination fee and it should be $50,850 MSRP for the most expensive Stinger.
I'm expecting AWD to be a $2,500 premium based on how they price the Genesis models, so a fully loaded GT RWD with destination should be $48,350. A similarly optioned out 440i GC is around $65k. That gap is how they'll make their mark in this segment.
Kia suits are on record stating they expect the fully loaded GT AWD to come in "under $50k" which tells me $49,900. Add the destination fee and it should be $50,850 MSRP for the most expensive Stinger.
I'm expecting AWD to be a $2,500 premium based on how they price the Genesis models, so a fully loaded GT RWD with destination should be $48,350. A similarly optioned out 440i GC is around $65k. That gap is how they'll make their mark in this segment.
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When you say real world, yes, but for Australia only. As they have a specific target market in mind here and it is not in the BMW 440 price region, kia would be silly to aim up there over here.
Sure, makes sense. Looks like it'll turn out to be a good deal for you, an RWD grand tourer at a good price.
I am anxiously looking forward to detailed driving reviews to see how a 2.0T or 3.3 will compare to the respective BMW models in terms of driving dynamics and interior material quality. It is likely that you gentlemen will have the first reviews given the active statements from the Kia Australia people. I am sure you'll post any such review.
If the reviews are positive to a decent degree, Kia will have had a winner on hands.
I am anxiously looking forward to detailed driving reviews to see how a 2.0T or 3.3 will compare to the respective BMW models in terms of driving dynamics and interior material quality. It is likely that you gentlemen will have the first reviews given the active statements from the Kia Australia people. I am sure you'll post any such review.
If the reviews are positive to a decent degree, Kia will have had a winner on hands.
app_master
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True, true, yes and yes.
Like I said, it cant get here soon enough (for me)
