Upcoming 3G Shutdown

For US folks, I'm just wondering how this has affected you so far? If you have a 2018 stinger, are you still able to use the remote app?

For Canada, I saw on the Kia site that only a couple of the 2015 & 2016 EVs are affected. Seems odd given the information shared in this thread.
 
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from the FAQ on KIA's website ....

"Kia Connect (formerly known as UVO) services for 2015 and 2016 Kia Soul EVs will discontinue on December 31, 2022, due to the Verizon’s retirement of its 3G network, on which these services rely.



2015-2016 Kia Soul EVs with Kia Connect capability require 3G cellular network support to utlize remote features and services."
 
from the FAQ on KIA's website ....

"Kia Connect (formerly known as UVO) services for 2015 and 2016 Kia Soul EVs will discontinue on December 31, 2022, due to the Verizon’s retirement of its 3G network, on which these services rely.



2015-2016 Kia Soul EVs with Kia Connect capability require 3G cellular network support to utlize remote features and services."
But this is a "Stinger Forum"
 
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But this is a "Stinger Forum"

yeah, and i'm saying that according to KIA's website, the only cars affected by the 3G shutdown are the 2015-2016 Kia Soul EVs.

Stinger not affected ...
 
yeah, and i'm saying that according to KIA's website, the only cars affected by the 3G shutdown are the 2015-2016 Kia Soul EVs.

Stinger not affected ...
that's probably because pre-2022 model stingers in the united states, didn't have a cellular uvo link at all.
 
From interior to exterior to high performance - everything you need for your Stinger awaits you...
that's probably because pre-2022 model stingers in the united states, didn't have a cellular uvo link at all.
In Canada it did have the uvo cell link which is why I'm asking. It's really unclear whether service will be affected or not.

In the early days (2018) I used to call UVO support and talk to really knowledgeable staff but these days they don't seem to know anything. They can't even tell me what software version is the most recent.
 
In Canada it did have the uvo cell link which is why I'm asking. It's really unclear whether service will be affected or not.

In the early days (2018) I used to call UVO support and talk to really knowledgeable staff but these days they don't seem to know anything. They can't even tell me what software version is the most recent.
right, but you had asked if people in the US with 2018 stingers if we were able to use the remote app, and no one would have been able to since we didn't get uvo link until 2022 which by then should be(you'd think) lte 4g modems if they weren't already. :)
For US folks, I'm just wondering how this has affected you so far? If you have a 2018 stinger, are you still able to use the remote app?

For Canada, I saw on the Kia site that only a couple of the 2015 & 2016 EVs are affected. Seems odd given the information shared in this thread.
 
right, but you had asked if people in the US with 2018 stingers if we were able to use the remote app, and no one would have been able to since we didn't get uvo link until 2022 which by then should be(you'd think) lte 4g modems if they weren't already. :)
Even then, it is disabled for cars sold in Massachusetts.
 
Even then, it is disabled for cars sold in Massachusetts.
yep... silly "right to repair" law for massachusett folks... A coworker's subaru which had their telematics was turned off last year to comply remotely... she was not happy lol
 
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^^Right to repair is not silly. More states need to get onboard with it for real change to happen.
 
^^Right to repair is not silly. More states need to get onboard with it for real change to happen.
I was referring to the ban on remote starters, for clarity
 
^^I think if this is enacted in more places, mfg's won't be able to simply disable functions. Or not have them present in the first place. I'd love to know exactly what data the stinger sends back to the mothership, even when not subscribed (at present, initially at purchase, or ever) to their connected services. You know that lte modem isn't there just to look pretty.

Interesting read; Subaru disables Starlink in Massachusetts new cars amid right-to-repair fray

Subaru disables Starlink in Massachusetts new cars amid right-to-repair fray​


Subaru of America has disabled its Starlink telematics subscription service on all new 2022 vehicles sold or housed in Massachusetts so it doesn't violate an amended right-to-repair law that is the subject of a dispute in federal court between the state and the Alliance for Automotive Innovation.
Dominick Infante, director of communications for Subaru of America, confirmed to Automotive News that the decision to disable Starlink in Massachusetts was implemented before those new vehicles began arriving in the state's 21 Subaru dealerships, which are served by distributor Subaru of New England.

"This was not to comply with the law — compliance with the law at this time is impossible — but rather to avoid violating it," Infante said in a written statement last week. "The reason for this action is simple: The data platform that the new law requires to provide the data does not exist and will not exist any time soon. Until such a time as that platform can be developed, and Subaru can redesign its telematics hardware and software to comply with the new law's requirements, we feel that this is our only option."

At issue is an update to the Massachusetts right-to-repair law enacted by voters a year ago that expanded access to data related to vehicle maintenance and repair. The updated law required makers of vehicles sold in the state to equip vehicles that use telematics systems — which collect and wirelessly transmit mechanical data to a remote server — with a standardized, open-access data platform, beginning with the 2022 model year. It also gave vehicle owners and independent repair shops access to real-time information from the telematics, such as crash notifications, remote diagnostics and navigation.

Weeks after the law was passed, the Alliance for Automotive Innovation filed suit in federal court to block the law, calling it "unenforceable because it is unconstitutional and because it conflicts with federal laws." The group, of which Subaru is a member, also asked the court to "temporarily and permanently enjoin enforcement" of the law.

U.S. District Court Judge Douglas Woodlock had been expected to issue a ruling as early as this week. However, on Oct. 22, Massachusetts Attorney General Maura Healey filed a motion seeking to introduce Subaru's blocking of Starlink as evidence in the case, arguing that it contradicted claims by the alliance on behalf of its members that disabling telematics systems such as Starlink or General Motors' OnStar was a "practical impossibility." Woodlock has yet to issue an opinion in the case.

In July, the Biden administration weighed in on the broader issue of right to repair, urging the Federal Trade Commission to issue rules on repair restrictions by all manufacturers across industries. In Massachusetts, automakers could face potential fines of up to $10,000 per vehicle for violating the updated right-to-repair law, if it is upheld in court.
Disabling Starlink, which Subaru of America offers as an optional subscription service, does not otherwise impact or alter the operation of a vehicle's infotainment or safety systems, Infante confirmed.

He told Automotive News in an email that "the impossibility of complying with the new law is a disservice to both our retailers and our customers. We should also state that access to telematics data from Subaru vehicles is not necessary to diagnose or repair a Subaru vehicle. In addition, Subaru's existing telematics system does not provide vehicle diagnosis or repair data to our retailers. We look forward to working towards a solution that keeps our customers happy and provides all the services they expect from Subaru vehicles."
 
I'm curious if anyone with a 22+ is able to get in to engineering mode and check the radio version.

There's a few ways to trigger it listed in this thread; Access to "engineering mode"

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