Track Daze at VIR, stinger lap video

[StingertimeNC]

Hey gang, I know I mentioned this in the "what did you do to your stinger thread," but I figured this deserved it's own thread.

Here's a video of my best lap from this event. Second overall two day event I've attended. I shaved 8 seconds off my best "Full Course" lap, from the previous event, posting a 2:22.9. For some points of reference, I've been in a few different cars at this track. Cayman S, driven by my instructor was doing roughly 2:15-ish laps. Supercharged Miata driven by my previous instructor put up a 2:13 lap with me in the car. (this car was a complete gut job and running all sorts of suspension, brake and other upgrades, as well as race spec tires) A 911 Turbo with 500 HP (probably 7 or 8 years old) was putting up 2:08's with me in the car. A buddy's Camaro SS 1Le, with upgraded suspension and brakes and a tune (driven buy a just slightly more experienced driver than me) was putting up 2:18's. I've seen videos of a few street cars breaking 2 minutes such as a Corvette Z06 coming in with a 1:57 and change.

If I had more guts and used the speed more in the straights I could have easily broken 2:20. My instructor thinks the car as I have it set up is good for 2:10. I'll get there one day.

I have to say this is big time fun. I was running map 7 the whole time and people were very impressed with the straight line speed. Enjoy the show.

Oh, the black spot on the right side of the camera view is the arm of the phone holder. I've messed around with the set-up a bit to get most of that out of the frame, sadly I didn't really figure this out until after I got home. It's a quadlock suction cup mount. It's by far the strongest mount I've ever used. That thing is absolutely not coming off the windshield. Highly recommend it.

 

[GennyGuy]

Hey gang, I know I mentioned this in the "what did you do to your stinger thread," but I figured this deserved it's own thread.

Here's a video of my best lap from this event. Second overall two day event I've attended. I shaved 8 seconds off my best "Full Course" lap, from the previous event, posting a 2:22.9. For some points of reference, I've been in a few different cars at this track. Cayman S, driven by my instructor was doing roughly 2:15-ish laps. Supercharged Miata driven by my previous instructor put up a 2:13 lap with me in the car. (this car was a complete gut job and running all sorts of suspension, brake and other upgrades, as well as race spec tires) A 911 Turbo with 500 HP (probably 7 or 8 years old) was putting up 2:08's with me in the car. A buddy's Camaro SS 1Le, with upgraded suspension and brakes and a tune (driven buy a just slightly more experienced driver than me) was putting up 2:18's. I've seen videos of a few street cars breaking 2 minutes such as a Corvette Z06 coming in with a 1:57 and change.

If I had more guts and used the speed more in the straights I could have easily broken 2:20. My instructor thinks the car as I have it set up is good for 2:10. I'll get there one day.

I have to say this is big time fun. I was running map 7 the whole time and people were very impressed with the straight line speed. Enjoy the show.

Oh, the black spot on the right side of the camera view is the arm of the phone holder. I've messed around with the set-up a bit to get most of that out of the frame, sadly I didn't really figure this out until after I got home. It's a quadlock suction cup mount. It's by far the strongest mount I've ever used. That thing is absolutely not coming off the windshield. Highly recommend it.

Awesome video and congrats on the time and new PB!

 

[turboAWD]

Are you using any kind of lap timer, or is that just an attempt at guessing your speed from the recorded video? Your speed seems to jump around in strange ways - after the last turn into the home stretch, it shows you going from 75-120 in like 3 seconds, etc.. Did you really hit 143? Wow. I've been to Sonoma / Sears Point and Laguna Seca and was chickening out when hitting 120+ on the front stretch into the first turn on Laguna - Sonoma is a bit slower of a track. Got a link to that quad-mount? How are you recording the video?

How much do you think the GT-F springs are helping? I have ECS Mando to adjust the suspension + Whiteline sways. Last year, I ran 245/285 PS4s, this year, I bought a set of square 245 ExtremeContact Force, but sadly, have only been able to get to one track event this year. So 6 days total for me.

What pads are you running? I ran G-Loc 12s all around last year (5 days at Sonoma), and took off 40-50% of the pad in one day at Laguna (had to skip my 2nd day with no refund because I had no track pads left!). So I bought a set of R16s for the front for the next session. Also stainless lines and SRF fluid.

Old mods: jb4 (usually run 91 or E30, sometimes 96/100 octane at the track), DIY intakes, Enkei 18" wheels.
New this year (haven't had a chance to try them yet): BMS FMIC, custom trans cooler from a local racing shop.

Any issues with oil temps?

I love having the tire pressure monitor as a way to keep an eye on tire temps.

 

[StingertimeNC]

Are you using any kind of lap timer, or is that just an attempt at guessing your speed from the recorded video? Your speed seems to jump around in strange ways - after the last turn into the home stretch, it shows you going from 75-120 in like 3 seconds, etc.. Did you really hit 143? Wow. I've been to Sonoma / Sears Point and Laguna Seca and was chickening out when hitting 120+ on the front stretch into the first turn on Laguna - Sonoma is a bit slower of a track. Got a link to that quad-mount? How are you recording the video?

How much do you think the GT-F springs are helping? I have ECS Mando to adjust the suspension + Whiteline sways. Last year, I ran 245/285 PS4s, this year, I bought a set of square 245 ExtremeContact Force, but sadly, have only been able to get to one track event this year. So 6 days total for me.

What pads are you running? I ran G-Loc 12s all around last year (5 days at Sonoma), and took off 40-50% of the pad in one day at Laguna (had to skip my 2nd day with no refund because I had no track pads left!). So I bought a set of R16s for the front for the next session. Also stainless lines and SRF fluid.

Old mods: jb4 (usually run 91 or E30, sometimes 96/100 octane at the track), DIY intakes, Enkei 18" wheels.
New this year (haven't had a chance to try them yet): BMS FMIC, custom trans cooler from a local racing shop.

Any issues with oil temps?

I love having the tire pressure monitor as a way to keep an eye on tire temps.

I used the Trackaddict app on my phone. The app is GPS based so the speed is always a little laggy. In general the speed is accurate once you are going slower, like say 143 on the back straight, and just not accelerating as fast. The app knows the start/finish line automatically so you can get pretty good timing out of it. I've had it up to 146mph there as well, but not during that particular lap. It kind of depends on how fast you come out of oak tree turn and how quickly you can get the throttle pinned. I think I'm also capable of 145 on the front straight at VIR. Front straight has a little kink in it and the car gets really light at about 130+. it just takes balls to keep the throttle pinned.

I'm using the "Quadlock" windshield mount for the phone. Just google quadlock and you'll find it. You need the case for you specific phone, and then it locks into the suction cup mount. the suction cup mount also has some sort of removable adhesive on it. it's super strong. Mount the phone in landscape orientation and you are good to go. I also figured out after the fact, that if I mount the arm a little askew, the camera view from my phone is almost totally unobscured. Far better than having it mounted straight. The Track addict app is free, but you can only record three sessions. if you pay like $8.00 you can record as many as you like. Then get the free Racerender software and load the videos into that software on your PC.

I think the springs help some just by virtue of the lowered center of gravity. The sways are the real deal though and by far the best mod from a handling and steering perspective.

I ran the stock rotors with G-loc R10 pads. Also running RBF660 brake fluid. No issues whatsoever with fade or stopping power. the PS4S tires are incredible for braking. I could literally stand on the pedal and barely get the ABS to activate and that's braking really hard from say 145mph down to 70 mph. One bad thing about the brakes, I tried to bed them in before the track and I never really got a good transfer layer. so ultimately, at the track, I just heated them up too quickly and wound up with uneven deposits causing some brake shudder. they still worked fine but the second day there was just lots of pulsing on those super long braking zones from high speeds. I'm contemplating trying a lower level race pad like G-loc R8 to see if I have a better ability to bed them in prior to the event. VIR has a couple of areas where you brake heavy from very high speeds, but the rest of the track is much more manageable. I used the stock rear pads and Hawk HPS 5.0's on the front the first two track days, although I tried to take it easy on the brakes, I had no issues whatsoever. The stainless lines may help a tiny but with modulation, but the force of braking is probably not going to be much different. My brake guys said to skip the stainless lines. The G-Loc R16's may be a bit much, but I guess if your track has lots of heavy braking zones then maybe. I don't see how they can hurt other than increased rotor wear though.

The BMS FMIC is probably not really a road course necessity, but when I'm just banging around town the air temps really get cool on a long pull. Can't hurt to have it other than adding some weight out there on the nose. I'm running Map 7 with meth on the track. sucking down a good gallon + over a 30 minute session. Glad I got the 2 gallon tank! It is a blast when the instructor is like "jeez this car pulls hard." So fun when a vette or mustang or camaro tries to pull away and they can't do it. I always get questions about the car at the track too. everybody is surprised at the straight-line speed.

Oil temps climb to say 220-ish but nothing crazy. Also I like to go to the track when the temps are 70 or less ambient. just keeps things cool. March and November are great times to go.

I also keep the tire pressure monitor up on the screen. when the pressure goes from 30 to 37 psi, you know those tires are warmed up. VIR is an amazing track. I'm lucky to have it so close to home.

lastly, and this is to everyone on the forum, if you are really an enthusiast, you have to take your stinger to the track! I'm hooked on it and I think about it all the time!! I'm already planning on a Porsche Cayman S for my next car, specifically because it's amazing on the track, that and I can't afford a 911!

 

[Maljey]

Really nice to see this thread. I am probably going to autocross my Stinger this year, so it's not going to be full on track stuff but fun nonetheless. I still like to follow whoever is tracking their Stinger so I appreciate the thread and insights. There's a pretty big lack of track and Autocross videos on the Stinger. Most people just seem to drag race it. I get it. Its a big GT car, but I love to see it thrown around on a track for the spectacle of it all lol.

 

[turboAWD]

I liked the P4S as well, but I wore out the fronts in 5 days at Sonoma, so I needed new fronts. I'm hoping to get more than 10 days out of a full set of square tires I can rotate - those are exclusive track tires now, I still have 245/285 P4S for the street.

Laguna Seca is so much braking. It's essentially straightaway, curve, straightaway, curve, repeat. Of course, some are shorter than others. But in that front stretch, I could probably hit 140, and then you have to essentially brake to 20 to get around the hairpin. And starting that front straightway is another 100-30 type of stretch. Mind you, my first and only day there so far, so I may have over-braked. The R12s were fine for Sonoma.

I've seen ~230+ oil temp when pushing it at Sonoma in 90-100+ temps. That's why I got a trans cooler (because if the oil is that hot, the trans oil is probably heating up too) and switched to Amsoil Signature ATF.

May talk to my shop about an oil cooler as well - not sure I like that one for $800+ on K8StingerStore. I've switched from Costco 5w30 synthetic (it was super cheap, so I just changed it all the time - got a vacuum extractor, which is great!) to Motul 5w40, so I'll see. If the temps stay 230-240, the Motul should be fine.

I wanted AWD for the street (because I'd had another AWD car, and know that jb4 levels is too much for RWD in most cases on rough city streets or in the rain). On the track, I've been trying to run it in custom mode, on "Comfort" for AWD to get a better distribution. I think that works for launching, but for cornering, I think it upsets the steering too much when it transfers power, and then kicks in the nannies (I run with traction off, stability on). I'm thinking I may try going back to sport mode, and then trying to hold off on full throttle just a bit to avoid spinning the rears and kicking in the transfer. I DEFINITELY need to learn the "smooth is fast" part more. I can be a bit of a pedal masher at times - but it's so much fun!

 

[stoopid]

... If I had more guts and used the speed more in the straights I could have easily broken 2:20. My instructor thinks the car as I have it set up is good for 2:10. I'll get there one day.

I doubt they would say "that's all you got". They'd have one less student at that point [until you upgraded components and/or got a different car].

Your run looked solid to me, but I only know from driving curvy roads and watching other track vids. I'd think with the Stinger having the best brakes possible to enter the turns as fast as possible, hard brake, then start gunning it on exit would be the only 'trick' the car would be capable of. It's going to require a lot of money/upgrades to pull through the corners any faster and straightaways are going to be purely power. Shaving time is most likely found in how quickly you get to the turn, then start accelerating out of it.

I see your mods in the sig, not even sure what half of them are, but my guess is you're already closer to the max the car is going to give than you are stock, so not much more room to grow outside of the fractions you'll gain in the driver's seat/time. Not being a downer, just the reality of a GT car made by Kia at the track. Fun but by no means the best tool for the job.

 

[StingertimeNC]

Totally agree with your assessment of the Stinger at the track. I think there’s more time in it because I’m a little too ginger with the throttle coming out of turns. I also don’t think the instructors have a good idea of how quick the rear wheel drive can throw down power so they’re basically telling me more gas all the time, but I’m concerned with the rear end cutting loose with 500 pound feet of torque. The places I can shave time at VIR are more in the streets with maximizing top speed and then breaking a little too be able to manage it into the turns. Sometimes I’m accelerating only up to the speed I want to enter the next corner at versus completely hammering it and then breaking down to the speed I need. It’s not an every section of the track but in some sections. Of course the video doesn’t really do it justice.

I am seriously considering a Porsche Cayman because of the mid engine, light weight, and relatively inexpensive price of a two or three year old model. Plus if you get the 718S model you get A 2.5 L four-cylinder, which you can easily tune to 400 hp. I think this would be a great track car although I might give up a bit of top line speed for the handling. My instructor was running roughly 5 to 6 seconds per lap faster than I was and his cayman is the 320 hp previous GEN. Of course that is a naturally aspirated motor.

The stinger is no slouch though, the power makes up for the handling in the tighter stuff. It really is a fun car at the track especially if you’re driving it at say 90%.

 

[StingertimeNC]

I liked the P4S as well, but I wore out the fronts in 5 days at Sonoma, so I needed new fronts. I'm hoping to get more than 10 days out of a full set of square tires I can rotate - those are exclusive track tires now, I still have 245/285 P4S for the street.

Laguna Seca is so much braking. It's essentially straightaway, curve, straightaway, curve, repeat. Of course, some are shorter than others. But in that front stretch, I could probably hit 140, and then you have to essentially brake to 20 to get around the hairpin. And starting that front straightway is another 100-30 type of stretch. Mind you, my first and only day there so far, so I may have over-braked. The R12s were fine for Sonoma.

I've seen ~230+ oil temp when pushing it at Sonoma in 90-100+ temps. That's why I got a trans cooler (because if the oil is that hot, the trans oil is probably heating up too) and switched to Amsoil Signature ATF.

May talk to my shop about an oil cooler as well - not sure I like that one for $800+ on K8StingerStore. I've switched from Costco 5w30 synthetic (it was super cheap, so I just changed it all the time - got a vacuum extractor, which is great!) to Motul 5w40, so I'll see. If the temps stay 230-240, the Motul should be fine.

I wanted AWD for the street (because I'd had another AWD car, and know that jb4 levels is too much for RWD in most cases on rough city streets or in the rain). On the track, I've been trying to run it in custom mode, on "Comfort" for AWD to get a better distribution. I think that works for launching, but for cornering, I think it upsets the steering too much when it transfers power, and then kicks in the nannies (I run with traction off, stability on). I'm thinking I may try going back to sport mode, and then trying to hold off on full throttle just a bit to avoid spinning the rears and kicking in the transfer. I DEFINITELY need to learn the "smooth is fast" part more. I can be a bit of a pedal masher at times - but it's so much fun!

I hear ya on the tires and turns. I’ve been through about seven hours on the track with my Michelin pilot sport 4S tires and honestly I think they have another 7 to 10 hours in them. I drive roughly 2000 miles per year outside of the track so I don’t mind having expensive tires on the car, because I’m going to get two years out of them anyway.

I also switched to 5W 40 oil, Quaker State full synthetic.

Because I’m likely to upgrade this car in a couple of years or less, probably not going to put any more money into it other than brakes and tires, over the next year to two. I am planning on tracking it at least a couple more times.

The JB four is great on the track, tons of power. I actually drive around in Map seven at all times, but I live in North Carolina and it’s usually Relatively warm and dry when I’m driving. I can always shake the rear end loose so I just drive carefully! Ha ha.

 

[turboAWD]

If you can afford a Cayman track car, great. I need the Stinger for hauling the family around (like we did this last week Edit: on a spring break trip!) so that I'm not stuck driving a minivan everyday. Then again, it's all relative. The Pentatstar 3.6 has ~270 hp and I think it would easily outrun my first car ('84 Jetta GLI) in any straight line and maybe even around some turns..

If I wanted to spend way more $$, an M3 would be the ticket, or maybe an RS5 / RS6?

I was in the "beginner" group at Laguna Seca, which was some beginners, some more advanced people (I could have done intermediate, due to 5 track days, but it was my first day at that track, so I went to beginners). There was an AMG 63 and a Hellcat that blew past people on the big straight without a point-by.. They weren't around later in the day. I did hang pretty close with some people with better cars (C7s, M3) that were improving as the day went on. The M3 was able to out-corner me due to wider tires overall, and maybe out-brake a little. In the straights were were pretty close.

At Sonoma, last year, I caught a couple of Porsches and Supras, a couple passed me, etc. One of the biggest battles was with a Mini Cooper Works - I was right on his tail for 1.5-2 laps, IIRC. He was just faster in the turns, I gained in the straights.

I'm just having fun, pushing myself and learning as I go. In 5-7 years, when the kids are off at college, I might spring for a more hard-core track toy (C7 or Porsche), if it's in the budget.. Wife and I also want to retire at some point!

 

[stoopid]

I am seriously considering a Porsche Cayman because of the mid engine, light weight, and relatively inexpensive price of a two or three year old model. Plus if you get the 718S model you get A 2.5 L four-cylinder, which you can easily tune to 400 hp. I think this would be a great track car although I might give up a bit of top line speed for the handling. My instructor was running roughly 5 to 6 seconds per lap faster than I was and his cayman is the 320 hp previous GEN. Of course that is a naturally aspirated motor.

The stinger is no slouch though, the power makes up for the handling in the tighter stuff. It really is a fun car at the track especially if you’re driving it at say 90%.

YOUR Stinger might be fun, after the mods.

The issue for me would be learning how to drive a compromised car (Stinger) around a track versus learning on something purpose built and aligning my mind to actual performance car level limits. Like turboAWD just posted, I own the Stinger to haul stuff occasionally and as a commuter. I never ever ever would consider it track worthy or want to drop the coin in making it into something it is not. So while I applaud the effort in doing something fairly unique among Stinger owners (at this level of time/investment), IMHO it's equally a bit foolish.

So yeah, my vote is for getting a purpose built track car if serious about tracking/racing. I just wish I had the opportunity to talk you out of it before the upgrades, and maybe even before buying the Stinger since it sounds like you don't drive it much when not at the track.

Just my $0.02

 

[StingertimeNC]

YOUR Stinger might be fun, after the mods.

The issue for me would be learning how to drive a compromised car (Stinger) around a track versus learning on something purpose built and aligning my mind to actual performance car level limits. Like turboAWD just posted, I own the Stinger to haul stuff occasionally and as a commuter. I never ever ever would consider it track worthy or want to drop the coin in making it into something it is not. So while I applaud the effort in doing something fairly unique among Stinger owners (at this level of time/investment), IMHO it's equally a bit foolish.

So yeah, my vote is for getting a purpose built track car if serious about tracking/racing. I just wish I had the opportunity to talk you out of it before the upgrades, and maybe even before buying the Stinger since it sounds like you don't drive it much when not at the track.

Just my $0.02

Totally agree. The track thing just happened after the fact. I was just looking for something fun to replace my previous car, that I passed to my son. Modding was all about power and speed, not for the track, just for a hobby. I started tracking it as that's the car I had. The only track specific mods I did were brake pads and brake fluid. Other than that it was just about Modding because I could, and it was fun. Had I been into the track prior, I absolutely would not have purchased this car.

All that being said, the car as it sits now is 95% of an M3, minus just a bit of handling, for a total out of pocket, including mods, of 54k. I purchased the car for 42.5k before tax. Nothing was as unique, and looked as good as the stinger in that price range. I actually originally wanted a Genesis G70, but couldn't get one fully loaded near that price point.

Now that the track is more of a priority, I'm saving up for something in the 65k range that will be a decent track car, and has rear wheel drive.

Edit, forgot to mention, vehicle dynamics are vehicle dynamics. Want power oversteer, stinger has it, want lift throttle oversteer, stinger has it, want to trail brake to rotate the car, stinger has it. Want tons of grip, get good tires. My stinger, as it sits today, is within a 2-3 seconds around the track as the camaro SS 1LE, or the Mustang Mach 1, etc. it may feel slightly different as it weighs about 200 lbs more,(back seat and spare tire removed in my car for track days) but the additional power makes up for a lot of it.

Honestly one of the best car I've been in at the track was a supercharged Miata (Gen 2) It was running a full 9 seconds faster around the track, driven by the owner and instructor, then my car driven by me. had the instructor driven the stinger he could have probably gotten within 5 seconds easy as I don't have near as much experience.

Current Gen Cayman S, (driven by Car and Driver staff drivers) is 13 seconds faster than a bone stock stinger GT, with stock brakes, around a 4.1 mile road course. We're talking 3 seconds per mile faster than a stock stinger. Yes in terms of a race that is a big difference, but in terms of having a great time at the track and learning what a car is really capable of, the stinger is more than enough.

But I still want a Cayman or a Vette!

 

[turboAWD]

What is your definition of "track worthy"? I wouldn't say the Stinger isn't "track worthy", unless your definition of "track worthy" is "faster than a Mustang/Camaro with track pack" or something. And my investment hasn't been that much - maybe $3K out of $50K including tires/wheels.

Stuff I did that I wouldn't have done anyway: race pads, trans cooler, separate set of wheels/tires. Everything else I would have done anyway - I have a habit of modifying the crap out of my cars: for my previous car (Legacy GT wagon), I did TMIC, injectors, turbo, DP, upgraded valve body, sways, Koni shocks, Wilwood BBK, 4 different tuners working on the car at different levels, etc - took to one auto-x.

Car before that: Corrado VR6 - added supercharger, Quaife LSD, higher final drive, lower 5th gear, Bilstein PSS9s, etc. Never did track or auto-x. Edit: but I did do some winter rallying, which was a blast..

I mean, was I compromised by learning to drive on a '79 Dodge slant six with 3 on the tree? Or the Honda Civic Wagon with 60-something hp? I guess I'll never learn to be a race car driver. Oh noes!

I've totally outrun GTIs, various BMWs, and some other higher powered cars due to a bit more experience. And, I've been passed by a lot of Miatas with good drivers.

As it is, I'm hoping to get 5+ track days per year, maybe more, for 5+ more years. At that point, if I'm still doing it, maybe buy a dedicated track car. Or leave well enough alone. And yes - I BOUGHT the Stinger with the idea of it being a daily driver AND being able to track it, and not paying the BMW tax - especially because the leg room in the previous 3-series / M3 was even less than the Stinger. If I didn't track the Stinger, I wouldn't be tracking ANYTHING, so for me, the Stinger is INFINITELY better than the alternative - NOT tracking. If I get messed up by it and later have to unlearn a few bad habits, oh well. It's not like I have my sights set on winning anything.

This is FUN, not something I'm doing competitively. The only way the Stinger wouldn't be "track worthy" in my view is if it would break down all the time. Thankfully, haven't had that happen yet. And it's definitely not the slowest car at the track days I've been to, so I'm very satisifed.

 

[StingertimeNC]

At the end of the day you can learn on any car. The only thing holding me back from being even faster is my experience as a driver. The stinger has tons more to give.

Side note, the transmission is good, but quite often its not ready to shift when you pull the paddle, so you pull it again, then it will jump 2 gears. That clearly is not set up for the track, but the only real downside is having to drop another gear. it
is a bit distracting at times but not the end of the world. But is definitely an example of a downside of the stock logic. It could probably be addressed with a TCU tune.

 

[Smilieboy]

If you ever get the chance I would recommend Charlotte Motor Speedway roval. Good mix of turns and long straights plus the banking make it interesting. Carolina Motorsports Park is also good, haven't been there since they repaved it but it'll give your brakes a good test. Haven't tracked with the stinger yet, but my old Mustang made good work of all three.

Ninja edit: If you do run Charlotte, don't forget about turn 1. I say it because I was at an event where a person forgot turn 1 was there and hit the wall.

 

[DonD]

The width and openess of the track tends to diminish the sensation of speed. That impression is destroyed by the very rapid speed increases shown on the speedo in the bottom of the frame.

Based on my impressions of my bone stock 3.3TT, your's is a serious beast on the strights. Don

 

[turboAWD]

The width and openess of the track tends to diminish the sensation of speed. That impression is destroyed by the very rapid speed increases shown on the speedo in the bottom of the frame.

Based on my impressions of my bone stock 3.3TT, your's is a serious beast on the strights. Don

If you haven't driven a map3/map4/map7 Stinger, you're in for a shock!

 

[StingertimeNC]

Definitely hard to get the scope for it on video. Also that GPS based spedometer is laggy. Car is quick, but not that quick.

 

[DonD]

If you haven't driven a map3/map4/map7 Stinger, you're in for a shock!

Don't doubt you in the least. I'm keeping the car stock, I want long term durability and ease of dealer maintenance if and when needed. Don

 

[stoopid]

Side note, the transmission is good, but quite often its not ready to shift when you pull the paddle, so you pull it again, then it will jump 2 gears. That clearly is not set up for the track, but the only real downside is having to drop another gear. it
is a bit distracting at times but not the end of the world. But is definitely an example of a downside of the stock logic. It could probably be addressed with a TCU tune.

How badly does it shift if you leave it in auto? Mash pedal, mash brake, mash pedal, rinse, repeat.