The question of the year!!

[Ozstung]

At this stage might I add... WT...?

 

[Helo58]

Ah, but if I am going light speed, and fire a bullet in front of myself, what do I see? The bullet either stays in the barrel, or it goes fps away from me. If it goes fps away from me, it is now going faster than light speed. Someone traveling with me, standing in front of me, will possibly feel nothing, as the bullet leaves this universe; or possibly the bullet still exists "here" as it disappears, and it makes a hole through my fellow traveler anyway. For sure, if he's standing behind the forward motion at light speed, i.e. I am with my back to the direction of travel, the bullet's speed will remain within light speed and therefore will not disappear; and my victim will suffer normal damage.

You'll point to the mass cannot exceed light speed argument, and say that I myself cannot achieve light speed either. But then why do objects with mass disappear at the light horizon? They are supposedly traveling so fast that they leave the known universe, having vanished beyond the speed of light. So what has apparently been observed defies the physics; or so I am led to understand from what little I have encountered casually (you'll have gathered long before now that I am no astrophysicist).

Hey, at this point, I am way out of my depth as well and am simply putting fragments of what little I know together. So here are my thoughts:
I will point to the particles with mass cannot exceed "c" argument because it is foundational. To be clear, saying that objects "disappear" at the light horizon (sic) should not be taken to mean that they cease to exist. We simply can no longer see them. Also, by light horizon, do you mean particle horizon, cosmological horizon, or event horizon?

I would also assert that these objects are not actually moving (certainly not faster than the speed of light), but rather that space is expanding. Rather than visualizing objects moving or traveling at velocities away or to some point in space, visualize entities that are stationary, fixed to a flexible mesh that is being stretched outward on every side. Space, itself, can grow at a rate that exceeds the speed of light, because we are measuring the speed at which entities in that space move apart relative to each other. For entities, all we will see is the light from the entity before it was moving (relatively) away from us at a rate less than "c." As it approaches "c" it will become less and less visible as a result of redshift fade. At that point something moving relative to us at a speed greater than "c" will become unobservable to us while still existing as it always has.

 

[Stinger GT SS]

Really?

 

[Ozstung]

 

[jatleson]

Similar question - Are the center caps that come on the GT the same for the 18" all season package as the 19" standard setup? Believe they are, but want to confirm.

 

[MerlintheMad]

Also, by light horizon, do you mean particle horizon, cosmological horizon, or event horizon?

Cosmological and particle horizons are the same thing. To take the intellectually lazy way, and quote Wikipedia: "The particle horizon (also called the cosmological horizon, the comoving horizon (in Dodelson's text), or the cosmic light horizon) is the maximum distance from which particles could have traveled to the observer in the age of the universe." Particle horizon - Wikipedia

But this is in trouble because objects "there" are no longer visible; not because they have not traveled further since their origin at the point of singularity (the BB), but because they are traveling too fast to be seen by objects traveling the speed of light, and therefore "disappear". I use "light horizon" as that point where objects observed on "this side" of it can still be seen, traveling within the speed of light: but beyond it, are traveling faster than the speed of light and are thereafter invisible to us "here".

(Because of this, we cannot know the age of the universe; we don't know how long objects have been speeding up and vanishing from the observable universe. There has never been a singular "point of singularity" aka as the BB: but a relation between infinite universes, coiling into and out of each other via "black holes" and their opposite number (white hole theory): light-transmitting matter appearing, apparently at random, in some other universe, at the opposite end of a black hole. What we have studied so far is simply the closest and biggest of these, our universe; giving the false impression that our universe "started" once-upon-a-time and spread out from there, expanding and quickening in speed as the proto galactic masses move outward and form. But our range of observation does not reach beyond; it will never reach "beyond". What is really happening is an endless cycling of matter into and out of "dimensions" of itself. These form boundaries beyond which denizens cannot pass unless they are transformed by going "faster"; then they wind up "somewhere" else. So, the "light horizon" is paradoxically an infinite "black hole" effect, without being a "hole" per se; and within itself we have the known expanding universe, with its myriad of comparatively puny "black holes" - on this side - connected to ""white holes" on the "other side", wherever/whenever that is. Thus all of "existence in the first place" is an infinity of coiling, cycling, interchanging "matter" constantly, eternally, on the move; with no limits to extent or variation: it's all in the mind of "God".)

 

[MerlintheMad]

Similar question - Are the center caps that come on the GT the same for the 18" all season package as the 19" standard setup? Believe they are, but want to confirm.

The GT rims are identical in every way but a one inch diameter difference.

 

[nhcowboy28]

Nerds. Stop. For fks sake stop. My head hasn’t hurt like this in 25 years.

I failed half my science college courses for a reason. Don’t drag me back to that hell on my Stinger forum.

Can we get back to vendors dick measuring and newbs asking the same questions over and over???

 

[MerlintheMad]

Nerds. Stop. For fks sake stop. My head hasn’t hurt like this in 25 years.

I failed half my science college courses for a reason. Don’t drag me back to that hell on my Stinger forum.

Can we get back to vendors dick measuring and newbs asking the same questions over and over???

It's good for you. I not only FAILED science (out of sheer boredom) I actively avoided taking anything remotely like a science course if it was voluntary and could be avoided. Since then, since it was not compulsory, I have always been intrigued by nerds arguing how many universes can fit on the head of a pin. And of course I have my own inescapable thoughts on the subject of "existence in the first place". I've decided that if I shuffle off this mortal coil in the perceivable (near) future, I will travel in my Silky Silver GT1, to wherever it is I am supposed to go.

 

[Ozstung]

It's good for you. I not only FAILED science (out of sheer boredom) I actively avoided taking anything remotely like a science course if it was voluntary and could be avoided. Since then, since it was not compulsory, I have always been intrigued by nerds arguing how many universes can fit on the head of a pin. And of course I have my own inescapable thoughts on the subject of "existence in the first place". I've decided that if I shuffle off this mortal coil in the perceivable (near) future, I will travel in my Silky Silver GT1, to wherever it is I am supposed to go.

 

[Helo58]

 

[MerlintheMad]

Yes. We actually know this stuff in our cells. It's like genetic memory. We are where we are now, as the most advanced and only sapient species, because we're being drawn back to "outer space", where we live as immortals: this is just a virtual reality that we are pleased to share together.