Good Surprise Surprise - Buy Offer on Vroom

[n8hegr8]

man, seiner in slc and south jordan only have 2 gt lines for sale.
where did all the stingers go?

 

[n8hegr8]

i just inquired about getting this one. although, itd be hard to give up my red interior.

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[vipeboy2000]

the kia of murfreesboro here has 5 stingers on the lot! when i drove by last week, they only had one other new car other than the stinger available..

just for giggles i ran carvana again .. 2020 gt awd indigo! 18,800 miles.

when i ran it earlier this year with less miles on it at 12k miles this was my offer:

 

[JSolo]

Wait til next year, maybe it'll be over $40K.

 

[87and66]

i was just looking at g70s; and everything is very similar to the stinger; weird.

yes, they're sister cars haha. Hyundai owns Kia and Genesis.

 

[JSolo]

^^Weird? Not really. It's like GM's chevy, buick, pontiac, oldsmobile, caddy, etc. Lots of parts bin sharing.

 

[amehring1982]

I just did Carvana and it was 34…4K less than Vroom.

 

[87and66]

Just out of curiosity, I checked my values again. 2019 GT AWD with 38,500 miles. Hit a deer, so value is lower. ALGO offered $29,300. Pretty good. Carvana offered $17,870. Vroom offered $16,568. What a joke.

 

[vipeboy2000]

Hyundai doesn't quite own the majority of kia anymore, hyundai motor co. has a ~33% ownership of Kia corp while kia has partial ownership of 22 individual hyundai companies 5-45%.
This happened when kia filed for bankruptcy when they reached an agreement with hyundai to diversify by exchanging ownership between them at that time Hyundai owned 51% of Kia... Hyundai fully owns its luxury subsidiary genesis and electric sub brand Ioniq. But Kia is part of the Hyundai Motor Group.

 

[JSolo]

Safe to say hyundai is more like chevrolet, and kia more like pontiac?

 

[vipeboy2000]

Safe to say hyundai is more like chevrolet, and kia more like pontiac?

mm... not quite, Pontiac started out as a GM brand from pretty much the start.. it's more like the ford-mazda partnership/ownership platform sharing until 2014. Still different because since i dont' think mazda owned any bit of Ford back though.

 

[JSolo]

I mean in terms of actual product offering. IE, stinger/g70. Same chassis, different body. Sonata/k5, same chassis, somewhat different body/skin. My point, driveline on both is the same, probably down to the gear ratios.

 

[vipeboy2000]

I mean in terms of actual product offering. IE, stinger/g70. Same chassis, different body. Sonata/k5, same chassis, somewhat different body/skin. My point, driveline on both is the same, probably down to the gear ratios.

yea, for sure, although in my mind gm/pontiac got really lazy and was just slapping badges left and right with minimal changes... hyundai/kia at least do their own design and the chassis are tuned differently.. like the mazda / ford cross platforms like the fusion/milan shares engine/trans with mazda6, mkx/edge shares with the cx-9 but with totally different bodies and tuning of suspension etc but maintains exactly the same engine and transmissions and platform as well....

 

[JSolo]

The g37/370z is also good example too. I think the suspension is definitely different (spring/shock rates), but the driveline is identical including the ratios (at least in the MT). I remember looking at a spec sheet for both some years ago. Blew my mind that they wouldn't even alter the trans/diff because of the weight difference. Lazy indeed.

If hyundai had a hatch version of the g70, i'd still prob choose the stinger. Not a fan of the digital dash and push button shifter. My perspective may be different if I didn't drive MT's for more than half my life. I still set the parking brake, even electronic, on flat surfaces. Force of habit. Don't feel right if I don't.

 

[PAdutch]

Just got my 2019 GTS AWD 21K vroomed:

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^august with 21k miles $36197

Now 2019 gtS AWD 25k miles, $36,381. I'll take that depreciation haha.

 

[Dia1Up]

I mean in terms of actual product offering. IE, stinger/g70. Same chassis, different body. Sonata/k5, same chassis, somewhat different body/skin. My point, driveline on both is the same, probably down to the gear ratios.

I believe the front subframes are totally different? Nevermind the fact the Stinger is a lift back. Meaning the rear is different to.


Is the G70 worth the price increase? Not sure, not a fan of the new face lift. Interior is defiantly a little nicer depending on trim, and if you want the LSD in AWD in the States (Canada gets the LSD in the Stinger, and Stingers ONLY come AWD V6 here). But than again, the Stinger went up in price this year quite a bit, so the lines shifting towards the G70 a bit imo.

Sonata/K5 I think those are quite a bit different. K5 is AWD, Sonata isn't. I've seen them both separately, but never side by side (Rumors are saying the Sonata N will be AWD, which would be insane)

Hyundai owns 30% of Kia, their HQs are right next to each other in Korea. That's about as much training as I get sadly. So the rest form here on is all educated guessing, and since our owner owns both a Hyundai and a Kia, and they are across the street from each other I do get hands on with both.


It seems the 2 companies actually compete with each other. Kia can see how well a Hyundai product does, and changes it for the better. Like the Sonata/K5, pretty different buyers, and the K5 is AWD. (although those launched at the same time).

Sorento/Sante Fe, Sorento has a MUCH better interior, and drives like a small SUV despite its size. Which is a Sorento design staple, previous gens were the same way. Sante-Fe is a bit more of a boat, but some people like that.

Kona/Seltos is a VERY good example. There was a big time gap between them, and there's no comparison. The Setlos is leaps and bounds better than the Kona. I mean you can actually see out of the back window. So much so, that the Kona has been getting a massive list of new features this year just to compete. Seltos has really shaken the market up. The new Corolla Cross you can tell, seems to be aimed STRAIGHT at the Seltos.

And then there are others, Soul/Venue, I don't think they really share anything in common other than engine/transmission (But Hyundai/Kia uses that combo in Forte/Elantra, Kona/Seltos as well). So that might be a more of a parts bin idea.

From what I can tell, Hyundai generally does something first, release a new model, or update or whatever. Then it's an open book/parts bin Kia pulls from. But it seems Kia has 100% control over what they put out, they have very different design philosophies. It seems to be Hyundai doesn't really have a set goal or language. Some of their cars of shift handles, some of knobs. Some have volume knobs, some have a volume roller thing, some just use touch (Seriously don't get me started on the Santa Cruz interior. Gloss black everything, and EVERYTHING is a touch button). Hyundai's interiors are radically different from one model to another. And it's not a delay of updates, just look at any of their new releases. Kia seems to have a single cohesive language, the only stand out currently is the Sportage, but that's long overdue for an update.

That being said it seems Hyundai does have first dibs. With this whole shortage thing, Kia is seeing longer delays with updates (NOT building cars let me be clear, Hyundai/Kia seem to be weathering this pretty well considering). The Hybrid Sante-fe came out a while ago, we are JUST getting Hybrid Sorentos, the new Tucson came out a very good long while ago, we aren't getting the new Sportage for a bit (But pictures and such were released a good while ago, so my guess is it has something to do with the negotiations between the 2 companies)


TLDR: I think it's pretty clear the companies share alot, but I also think it's clear they are both very separate

 

[Schroedes]

Dafuq. Carvana offered me 29k for my 21 GT AWD with 8k miles.. doesn't make sense

 

[Stingin' Away]

Dafuq. Carvana offered me 29k for my 21 GT AWD with 8k miles.. doesn't make sense

Did you buy new? Rebuilt title? Branded? Lemon?

 

[Schroedes]

Did you buy new? Rebuilt title? Branded? Lemon?

Brand New. I did it on vroom as well. Offered 18k.. so I don't know what the deal is. Glitch in the matrix.. did it a month or so ago and they offered around 36k

 

[stoopid]

Brand New. I did it on vroom as well. Offered 18k.. so I don't know what the deal is. Glitch in the matrix.. did it a month or so ago and they offered around 36k

Sounds like they borrowed time on Zillow's servers to run some purchasing calculations.