3.3TT Summer Tire Slip and Slide

[Waynerm002]

Some folks tend to drive a bit harder than others, it’s hard to avoid using that much power. Highest power car I owned was a BMW 535 with 300 hp/tq, it was quite fun with summer tires, I wore through those pretty quickly and went to all seasons for daily driving and longer lasting tire. Did a summer/winter setup and I can say when the summer tire is in warmer temperatures its performance in wet and dry tops any all season tire I’ve tried before. I’ve had some Continentals Summer Max Performance tires on my Touareg and the grip on those were awesome in both wet and dry, probably one of the most impressive tires I’ve ever used but they didn’t last long. Plus they cost a lot over time.

Depending on where you live on how you drive, different tires maybe required to reign in the power of the Stinger GT. The Michelin Pilot Sport 4S is a highly rated Max Performance Summer tire, when used in weather it was designed for. It will be excellent for use in Florida.

 

[Leftlane]

Some folks tend to drive a bit harder than others, it’s hard to avoid using that much power. Highest power car I owned was a BMW 535 with 300 hp/tq, it was quite fun with summer tires, I wore through those pretty quickly and went to all seasons for daily driving and longer lasting tire. Did a summer/winter setup and I can say when the summer tire is in warmer temperatures its performance in wet and dry tops any all season tire I’ve tried before. I’ve had some Continentals Summer Max Performance tires on my Touareg and the grip on those were awesome in both wet and dry, probably one of the most impressive tires I’ve ever used but they didn’t last long. Plus they cost a lot over time.

Depending on where you live on how you drive, different tires maybe required to reign in the power of the Stinger GT. The Michelin Pilot Sport 4S is a highly rated Max Performance Summer tire, when used in weather it was designed for. It will be excellent for use in Florida.

Thanks

 

[Sensibly Spirited Driver]

Interesting info everyone is providing about the summer tires on the 19 inch GT.

The purpose any tire (for normal public drivers, is to grip and maintain control. So I am concerned with the sliding in corner stories.

I live in Florida, so to hear it has summer tires is a plus. But our rains or mostly in the summer and usually huge down pours.

My question to the forum is... should I opt for a different tire when I get a GT2?

From factory, you have to get the 19" wheels, otherwise they limit the car speed to 130MPH (and you can't change that later, at least, not yet). Also, as I wrote, the Pilot Sport 4S stop well in a straight line, in the wet, and they handle corners okay at normal speeds. For semi-spirited driving, they won't work for cornering in the wet, but are okay for regular use. I think the issue with the tire is actually the side tread design, as reviewers have complained about the car "breaking away" at the limit, and that limit is just much lower in the wet. You go from good grip to no grip faster. I'll be testing them on dry mountain roads soon, and expect they will breakaway the same as in the wet, just requiring a greater g-force in the dry. In my wet tests, the car slid sideways about two feet before regaining traction, which would be enough to bump into a car in an adjacent lane (obviously I'm testing them without other cars around me). Anyway, if you want to maintain the (already governed) 167MPH, get the 19" wheels and change the tires later if you want. If you'll never be driving over 130MPH, and won't be selling the car to someone who will, than the 18" are an option.

 

[westcoastGT]

From factory, you have to get the 19" wheels, otherwise they limit the car speed to 130MPH (and you can't change that later, at least, not yet). Also, as I wrote, the Pilot Sport 4S stop well in a straight line, in the wet, and they handle corners okay at normal speeds. For semi-spirited driving, they won't work for cornering in the wet, but are okay for regular use. I think the issue with the tire is actually the side tread design, as reviewers have complained about the car "breaking away" at the limit, and that limit is just much lower in the wet. You go from good grip to no grip faster. I'll be testing them on dry mountain roads soon, and expect they will breakaway the same as in the wet, just requiring a greater g-force in the dry. In my wet tests, the car slid sideways about two feet before regaining traction, which would be enough to bump into a car in an adjacent lane (obviously I'm testing them without other cars around me). Anyway, if you want to maintain the (already governed) 167MPH, get the 19" wheels and change the tires later if you want. If you'll never be driving over 130MPH, and won't be selling the car to someone who will, than the 18" are an option.

..........to clarify the 18 "wheel" is NOT the issue for the speed rating , its the tire . The 18" wheel with a Z rated UHPAS tire is fine .

 

[Sensibly Spirited Driver]

..........to clarify the 18 "wheel" is NOT the issue for the speed rating , its the tire . The 18" wheel with a Z rated UHPAS tire is fine .

This issue isn't the wheel or the tire, it's Kia limiting the car to 130MPH at the factory. People have to order the Stinger with 19" wheels not to have that limit imposed on the vehicle. They still put a 167mph limit on the car with the 19" wheels, but at least you can change the wheels/tires later. Putting a Y rated tired on 18" wheels, or changing the wheels, won't change the 130MPH cap from the factory. They make that clear on the site, but many 18" buyers were quite said when they realized after that fact their car was neutered.

 

[westcoastGT]

This issue isn't the wheel or the tire, it's Kia limiting the car to 130MPH at the factory.

?????????????? ? the tire they are using is Y rated thus it needs to be limited , agree that they should never have put those tires on the car when so many other Z rated UHPAS were available . I

 

[Sensibly Spirited Driver]

?????????????? ? the tire they are using is Y rated thus it needs to be limited , agree that they should never have put those tires on the car when so many other Z rated UHPAS were available . I

Actually, the tire they put on the 18" wheels is V rated (149mph). The tires on the 19" are Y rated (186mph). The Z rating isn't used for many tires, outside of track stuff. Any Y rated tire (like the one that comes on the 19") is capable of faster speeds than the 167mph limit on the 19" Stinger. Why they didn't put Y rated tires on the 18", and not have the 130MPH limit is beyond me.

 

[westcoastGT]

Actually, the tire they put on the 18" wheels is V rated (149mph). The tires on the 19" are Y rated (186mph). The Z rating isn't used for many tires, outside of track stuff. Any Y rated tire (like the one that comes on the 19") is capable of faster speeds than the 167mph limit on the 19" Stinger.

my alphabet isnt working hahaha ! the key issue is the WHEEL is not the culprit for the reduced speed rating

 

[Sensibly Spirited Driver]

my alphabet isnt working hahaha ! the key issue is the WHEEL is not the culprit for the reduced speed rating

The "key issue" I was describing for Leftlane, who was debating which wheel size to get, is the 130MPH speed cap put on the car if 18" wheels are chosen, which currently can't be changed after the fact. When I got my Stinger, and saw the note about the 130MPH limit, I contacted dealers to find out if it could be changed somehow--they all confirmed it could not be. A lot of Stinger owners (on these forums) didn't find out about the 130MPH cap until after they bought their cars. If the car didn't have that limit put on it, I (like some others) would have opted for the 18" wheels and put different tires on them.

 

[westcoastGT]

The "key issue" I was describing for Leftlane, who was debating which wheel size to get, is the 130MPH speed cap put on the car if 18" wheels are chosen, which currently can't be changed after the fact. When I got my Stinger, and saw the note about the 130MPH limit, I contacted dealers to find out if it could be changed somehow--they all confirmed it could not be. A lot of Stinger owners (on these forums) didn't find out about the 130MPH cap until after they bought their cars. If the car didn't have that limit put on it, I (like some others) would have opted for the 18" wheels and put different tires on them.

I just re read the post from Lefty , I think he was looking for tire input , not wheels ??

 

[Leftlane]

I just re read the post from Lefty , I think he was looking for tire input , not wheels ??

That is true but all the info has been helpful and appreciated. My concern is the summer tires getting loose in corners during rain. With that said, I think 18” wheels/tires give a smoother ride. But I don’t want to pay $50k for a GT2 and have the speed limited. I will never drive the car over 130 mph, but resale may be better without the speed limitation. Thanks for everyone’s input.

 

[Sensibly Spirited Driver]

That is true but all the info has been helpful and appreciated. My concern is the summer tires getting loose in corners during rain. With that said, I think 18” wheels/tires give a smoother ride. But I don’t want to pay $50k for a GT2 and have the speed limited. I will never drive the car over 130 mph, but resale may be better without the speed limitation. Thanks for everyone’s input.

The ride quality with the 19" is actually incredibly smooth. I thought the same about getting the 18", as one of the advantages, but it's already far softer than I want with the 19", so that shouldn't be a concern. It was way firmer when I did the test drive, but it turned out the dealer didn't do the PDI (post-delivery inspection), and the tires were at 54psi (as shipped from Korea). When I deflated them to their recommended pressure (36F/38R), the ride became way smoother. When you do a test drive, I'd ask about that. There was another person on the forums whose dealer didn't do the PDI. The other two reasons I wanted the 18" was for the greater durability, and larger sidewall (to protect the wheels when parallel parking). I live in Washington, which has some of the worst roads in the US (6th highest rate of tire damage in America). The tires on the 19" wheels are unnecessarily thin, but that's fashionable these days, so is kind of a must on any sports cars sold. If you live in a place with good roads, it's fine, but in Washington, you're asking for a flat. Anyway, in terms of ride quality, I wouldn't worry about that. I'll be getting the Eibach springs to stiffen up the ride, as it's too soft for my tastes currently. It's much more luxocruiser than sport sedan in it's current configuration. The springs are only $250 and people on the forum seem quite pleased with them, so that's an obvious upgrade.

Also, I contacted Continental regarding Control Contact Sports (which are exclusive to Discount Tire, a.k.a America's Tire in god's country states), and Continental wrote back today and said they had no plans to make those tires available in the 19" size for the Stinger. They recommended I look at the DWS instead, but I don't like the tread design on those as much. After watching a lot of youtube tests, I was going to get the Pirelli PZero All Seasons, as they seemed best for my needs, but those aren't available either. It's slim pickings for 19" wheel size, especially if you want Y rated tires. Lots of no-name brands make tires in that size, but options are limited for UHP (ultra-high performance) all seasons from the top brands. There doesn't appear to be an easy answer for Seattleites yet. Since you're in Florida, and won't be driving in rain year round, the Michelin Pilot Sport A/S 3+'s might be the simple choice. They are at the top of the UHP-A/S pack for dry performance, and less expensive than some of the other big brands. They are the worst performers in rain and snow, but I don't think you get a lot of snow in Florida, and the Pilot Sport 4S are already serviceable in the rain (so long as you don't corner quickly), so the A/S 3+'s should be more than adequate for the occasional downpour.

 

[westcoastGT]

The ride quality with the 19" is actually incredibly smooth. I thought the same about getting the 18", as one of the advantages, but it's already far softer than I want with the 19", so that shouldn't be a concern. It was way firmer when I did the test drive, but it turned out the dealer didn't do the PDI (post-delivery inspection), and the tires were at 54psi (as shipped from Korea). When I deflated them to their recommended pressure (36F/38R), the ride became way smoother. When you do a test drive, I'd ask about that. There was another person on the forums whose dealer didn't do the PDI. The other two reasons I wanted the 18" was for the greater durability, and larger sidewall (to protect the wheels when parallel parking). I live in Washington, which has some of the worst roads in the US (6th highest rate of tire damage in America). The tires on the 19" wheels are unnecessarily thin, but that's fashionable these days, so is kind of a must on any sports cars sold. If you live in a place with good roads, it's fine, but in Washington, you're asking for a flat. Anyway, in terms of ride quality, I wouldn't worry about that. I'll be getting the Eibach springs to stiffen up the ride, as it's too soft for my tastes currently. It's much more luxocruiser than sport sedan in it's current configuration. The springs are only $250 and people on the forum seem quite pleased with them, so that's an obvious upgrade.

Also, I contacted Continental regarding Control Contact Sports (which are exclusive to Discount Tire, a.k.a America's Tire in god's country states), and Continental wrote back today and said they had no plans to make those tires available in the 19" size for the Stinger. They recommended I look at the DWS instead, but I don't like the tread design on those as much. After watching a lot of youtube tests, I was going to get the Pirelli PZero All Seasons, as they seemed best for my needs, but those aren't available either. It's slim pickings for 19" wheel size, especially if you want Y rated tires. Lots of no-name brands make tires in that size, but options are limited for UHP (ultra-high performance) all seasons from the top brands. There doesn't appear to be an easy answer for Seattleites yet. Since you're in Florida, and won't be driving in rain year round, the Michelin Pilot Sport A/S 3+'s might be the simple choice. They are at the top of the UHP-A/S pack for dry performance, and less expensive than some of the other big brands. They are the worst performers in rain and snow, but I don't think you get a lot of snow in Florida, and the Pilot Sport 4S are already serviceable in the rain (so long as you don't corner quickly), so the A/S 3+'s should be more than adequate for the occasional downpour.

I have 5000 km on my BF Goodrich UHPAS and think they are excellent , I've driven to Whistler in snow several times and can attest to their capabilities for winter , I've done 2 road trips to Seattle and Portland and was very pleased with their ride and quietness on the freeway , as for "spirited driving " so far they've performed ideally , I did have Conti DWS on my last BMW and they were superb but they wore out quickly ........................something to consider in your search for an AS alternative .

 

[terrylharris]

The Pilot Sport 4S is a highly tire, I doubt any all season tire will perform better in the wet. Now, if the temps were low enough to keep them outside their performance range, that would lessen their grip. An All Season tire wouldn’t fare significantly better in the same situation. Keep in mind the warmer the temps the better they perform, also these tires tend to wear faster so if do some hard launches and drive them hard a lot that would affect their performance. Maybe that’s what you are experiencing.

I disagree. Continental Extreme Contact DWS all season are fantastic in the wet.

 

[terrylharris]

Have you looked into the ExtremeContact DWS 06?

Not sure how that compares to the one you suggested, but it would be quite similar if you wanted a well rounded all-season performer that doesn't focus on the dry / 0-60 performance. I am slightly torn between the Michelin and this Conti.

The Conti DWS is fantastic.

 

[Leftlane]

The ride quality with the 19" is actually incredibly smooth. I thought the same about getting the 18", as one of the advantages, but it's already far softer than I want with the 19", so that shouldn't be a concern. It was way firmer when I did the test drive, but it turned out the dealer didn't do the PDI (post-delivery inspection), and the tires were at 54psi (as shipped from Korea). When I deflated them to their recommended pressure (36F/38R), the ride became way smoother. When you do a test drive, I'd ask about that. There was another person on the forums whose dealer didn't do the PDI. The other two reasons I wanted the 18" was for the greater durability, and larger sidewall (to protect the wheels when parallel parking). I live in Washington, which has some of the worst roads in the US (6th highest rate of tire damage in America). The tires on the 19" wheels are unnecessarily thin, but that's fashionable these days, so is kind of a must on any sports cars sold. If you live in a place with good roads, it's fine, but in Washington, you're asking for a flat. Anyway, in terms of ride quality, I wouldn't worry about that. I'll be getting the Eibach springs to stiffen up the ride, as it's too soft for my tastes currently. It's much more luxocruiser than sport sedan in it's current configuration. The springs are only $250 and people on the forum seem quite pleased with them, so that's an obvious upgrade.

Also, I contacted Continental regarding Control Contact Sports (which are exclusive to Discount Tire, a.k.a America's Tire in god's country states), and Continental wrote back today and said they had no plans to make those tires available in the 19" size for the Stinger. They recommended I look at the DWS instead, but I don't like the tread design on those as much. After watching a lot of youtube tests, I was going to get the Pirelli PZero All Seasons, as they seemed best for my needs, but those aren't available either. It's slim pickings for 19" wheel size, especially if you want Y rated tires. Lots of no-name brands make tires in that size, but options are limited for UHP (ultra-high performance) all seasons from the top brands. There doesn't appear to be an easy answer for Seattleites yet. Since you're in Florida, and won't be driving in rain year round, the Michelin Pilot Sport A/S 3+'s might be the simple choice. They are at the top of the UHP-A/S pack for dry performance, and less expensive than some of the other big brands. They are the worst performers in rain and snow, but I don't think you get a lot of snow in Florida, and the Pilot Sport 4S are already serviceable in the rain (so long as you don't corner quickly), so the A/S 3+'s should be more than adequate for the occasional downpour.

Thanks for info, 19” summer tire it is then.
My son is out there at JBLM
Pretty area, but plenty wet.

 

[Ucinn]

Did you look at Nitto's? I have the Invos on my Mustang which is a summer only that do great in wet weather. They do have UHP all season in 19's

Motivo All-Season Ultra High Performance Tire

 

[Nexitus]

I just bought the Conti ExtremeContact DWS 06 and getting the dealer to swap them out. I like that they're the best overall balance for dry, wet and snow and they're at least $40-$50 less per tire here in Vancouver.

 

[westcoastGT]

I just bought the Conti ExtremeContact DWS 06 and getting the dealer to swap them out. I like that they're the best overall balance for dry, wet and snow and they're at least $40-$50 less per tire here in Vancouver.[/QUOT I I had these on my X6 5.0 and they were great

I just bought the Conti ExtremeContact DWS 06 and getting the dealer to swap them out. I like that they're the best overall balance for dry, wet and snow and they're at least $40-$50 less per tire here in Vancouver.

great tires ! had them on my last BMW , great in all conditions ! ............they just wore out earlier than I expected FYI

 

[moinmoin]

I found a 2016 review of UHP all seasons by TireRack,

You may want to look again:


https://www.tirerack.com/tires/surveyresults/surveydisplay.jsp?type=UHPAS