Stinger vs G70

[Socalstinga]

Love the interior but not feeling the exterior at all... I like the g80 exterior way better. But my stinger is practical, plenty fast, and fun. Everyone has their own reasons and requirements

 

[Jayce]

Love the interior but not feeling the exterior at all... I like the g80 exterior way better. But my stinger is practical, plenty fast, and fun. Everyone has their own reasons and requirements

I the opposite. The G80 looks boring to me. Different strokes for different folks.

 

[Angeski]

does anybody know if the actual motors are the same? I seen turbo upgrades for the G70 2.0t. Wondering if that could be an option. Plus, Im not even sure what block that is. Would it be a b18 or B20?

 

[stingermang]

does anybody know if the actual motors are the same? I seen turbo upgrades for the G70 2.0t. Wondering if that could be an option. Plus, Im not even sure what block that is. Would it be a b18 or B20?

They share many of the same parts. The only reference I found to the lower end was in this video:

(Random garbage photo review; skip to 3:30 and you'll see numbers...262hp G70 vs. 255 Stinger which must be the 2? Makes sense, but given slight curb weight difference you'd think 0-60 wouldn't be equal.)

Straight Pipes talks a bit about Stinger vs. G70 in this one:

I'm a bit torn by what I'm seeing in the G70. I kind of agree with the thought Genesis is 'fixing' the stupid things about the Stinger...like no mechanical LSD on the AWD model or a missing 360 camera...two easily bolted on options. Genesis interior quilted leather is beautiful IMO, and I like that there are no fake hood vents. Sadly, G70 has an absolute turkey of a front end in my book. So. Damn. Generic. No interesting exhaust note, either.

I'm still leaning toward the Stinger, but a lot hinges on what they announce for 2019.

mang.

[EDIT: To clarify, 'easily bolted on' meaning Kia has this tech on other cars, and even has the LSD on the RWD Stinger.]

 

[Paul32]

They share many of the same parts. The only reference I found to the lower end was in this video:

(Random garbage photo review; skip to 3:30 and you'll see numbers...262hp G70 vs. 255 Stinger which must be the 2? Makes sense, but given slight curb weight difference you'd think 0-60 wouldn't be equal.)

Straight Pipes talks a bit about Stinger vs. G70 in this one:

I'm a bit torn by what I'm seeing in the G70. I kind of agree with the thought Genesis is 'fixing' the stupid things about the Stinger...like no mechanical LSD (Limited Slip Differential) on the AWD model or a missing 360 camera...two easily bolted on options. Genesis interior quilted leather is beautiful IMO, and I like that there are no fake hood vents. Sadly, G70 has an absolute turkey of a front end in my book. So. Damn. Generic. No interesting exhaust note, either.

I'm still leaning toward the Stinger, but a lot hinges on what they announce for 2019.

mang.

[EDIT: To clarify, 'easily bolted on' meaning Kia has this tech on other cars, and even has the LSD (Limited Slip Differential) on the RWD Stinger.]

If the AWD model adjusts the power to the available wheel with the traction, why would you need LSD? I have said this before, after sitting in the G70 at the NYC auto show, the interior seemed very small both in width and rear seat leg room. I'm 5'10" tall and if I were driving I don't think anyone could sit behind me. I believe the Stinger and G70 has exactly the same power train (engine and trans).

 

[stingermang]

If the AWD model adjusts the power to the available wheel with the traction, why would you need LSD (Limited Slip Differential)? I have said this before, after sitting in the G70 at the NYC auto show, the interior seemed very small both in width and rear seat leg room. I'm 5'10" tall and if I were driving I don't think anyone could sit behind me. I believe the Stinger and G70 has exactly the same power train (engine and trans).

All Wheel Drive isn't the same as Limited Slip Differential...maybe I missed something in the AWD details? There are several variations.

I started to write something up, but I found a site which does a much better job explaining:
(must wait to post the link...here's some of the body)
[EDIT: LINK! AWD and 4WD technologies explained ]
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On-demand AWD: Under normal driving conditions, only one axle (typically the front) gets most of the power. When slipping is detected, more power is diverted to the other axle.

On-demand AWD (transverse): Most economical, low-end all-wheel-drive systems fall into this category. The system is typically based on a front-wheel-drive (FWD) platform. AWD is usually an optional feature on these cars. The engine and transmission are transversely mounted so they can send power directly to the front axle. When needed, intermittent power is transmitted to the rear axle via several indirections.
Example: Most AWD cars and crossovers built on a FWD platform.

On-demand AWD (longitudinal): These are better performing all-wheel-drive systems. Engine and transmission are mounted longitudinally. Power is first transmitted to the center of the vehicle, then split to front and rear axles. The drivetrain layout is designed to distribute torque more evenly between front and rear axles when AWD is activated.
Examples: Subaru Active AWD, BMW X-drive (latest), Infinity Intelligent AWD.

Limitations: typical on-demand AWD systems cannot maintain continuous power output to both axles during normal driving, because the power splitting mechanism is designed for intermittent operation and may overheat during extended use.

Full-time AWD: In a full-time AWD system, power is constantly split between front and rear axles at a fixed ratio using a mechanical center differential. During normal driving, each wheel gets less torque compared to two-wheel-drive or on-demand systems so they are less likely to slip and lose traction.

Full-time AWD (v-lsd/open): These are the simpler full-time AWD systems that maintains constant power split between front and rear axles in normal driving conditions but have little ability on reacting to slipping conditions: when one set (front or rear) of the axle do lose traction, the other side gets little to no power output due to the use of an open differential. Viscous limited-slip differential are introduced to reduce slipping, but typically takes longer time to react. Some recent systems use ABS brakes to reduce wheel slipping.
Examples: Subaru Continuous AWD, Mercedes 4-Matic (4ETS).

Full-time AWD (e-lsd): These systems provide the best of two worlds: the mechanical center differential provides continuous power split between front and rear axles in normal driving conditions, but the power distribution ratio is also electronically controlled when slipping occurs just like on-demand AWD systems.
Example: Subaru VTD AWD.

Full-time AWD (Torsen): This system uses a mechanical, Torsen center differential which proactively adjusts the power distribution between axles. It performs better than electronically-controlled slip limiting mechanisms because the Torsen differential is designed to be proactive; there is no delay in detecting the slipping condition and taking time to react.
Example: Audi Quattro (most models).

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I'm on the taller side too (6'2") and I have tall friends and family...G70 would definitely not be the ideal ride in that situation...nobody likes to ride in a shoe. My SUV would be the troop carrier of choice.

mang.

 

[Paul32]

All Wheel Drive isn't the same as Limited Slip Differential...maybe I missed something in the AWD details? There are several variations.

I started to write something up, but I found a site which does a much better job explaining:
(must wait to post the link...here's some of the body)
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On-demand AWD: Under normal driving conditions, only one axle (typically the front) gets most of the power. When slipping is detected, more power is diverted to the other axle.

On-demand AWD (transverse): Most economical, low-end all-wheel-drive systems fall into this category. The system is typically based on a front-wheel-drive (FWD) platform. AWD is usually an optional feature on these cars. The engine and transmission are transversely mounted so they can send power directly to the front axle. When needed, intermittent power is transmitted to the rear axle via several indirections.
Example: Most AWD cars and crossovers built on a FWD platform.

On-demand AWD (longitudinal): These are better performing all-wheel-drive systems. Engine and transmission are mounted longitudinally. Power is first transmitted to the center of the vehicle, then split to front and rear axles. The drivetrain layout is designed to distribute torque more evenly between front and rear axles when AWD is activated.
Examples: Subaru Active AWD, BMW X-drive (latest), Infinity Intelligent AWD.

Limitations: typical on-demand AWD systems cannot maintain continuous power output to both axles during normal driving, because the power splitting mechanism is designed for intermittent operation and may overheat during extended use.

Full-time AWD: In a full-time AWD system, power is constantly split between front and rear axles at a fixed ratio using a mechanical center differential. During normal driving, each wheel gets less torque compared to two-wheel-drive or on-demand systems so they are less likely to slip and lose traction.

Full-time AWD (v-LSD (Limited Slip Differential)/open): These are the simpler full-time AWD systems that maintains constant power split between front and rear axles in normal driving conditions but have little ability on reacting to slipping conditions: when one set (front or rear) of the axle do lose traction, the other side gets little to no power output due to the use of an open differential. Viscous limited-slip differential are introduced to reduce slipping, but typically takes longer time to react. Some recent systems use ABS brakes to reduce wheel slipping.
Examples: Subaru Continuous AWD, Mercedes 4-Matic (4ETS).

Full-time AWD (e-LSD (Limited Slip Differential)): These systems provide the best of two worlds: the mechanical center differential provides continuous power split between front and rear axles in normal driving conditions, but the power distribution ratio is also electronically controlled when slipping occurs just like on-demand AWD systems.
Example: Subaru VTD AWD.

Full-time AWD (Torsen): This system uses a mechanical, Torsen center differential which proactively adjusts the power distribution between axles. It performs better than electronically-controlled slip limiting mechanisms because the Torsen differential is designed to be proactive; there is no delay in detecting the slipping condition and taking time to react.
Example: Audi Quattro (most models).

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I'm on the taller side too (6'2") and I have tall friends and family...G70 would definitely not be the ideal ride in that situation...nobody likes to ride in a shoe. My SUV would be the troop carrier of choice.

mang.

I wonder if any manufacture offers lsd with AWD? I still don't see the advantage in having both. It would seem to me that AWD takes care of most traction needs. Good article. I remember the old days when your right rear tire spun and you went no where, unless you had posi-trac.

 

[stingermang]

...unless you had posi-trac.

My understanding is Posi-trac is the same as LSD...dagnabit marketing.

 

[Paul32]

My understanding is Posi-trac is the same as LSD (Limited Slip Differential)...dagnabit marketing.

Yea, I think it is a GM thing. I go back to the 50's, 409's, 421 etc. and 4:56 posi.

 

[jchan_stinger]

I was really looking forward to the G70 when it was announced. But when I checked it out at the NY Auto Show, was slightly disappointed about the exterior and interior.

 

[stingermang]

I was really looking forward to the G70 when it was announced. But when I checked it out at the NY Auto Show, was slightly disappointed about the exterior and interior.

I'd really like to see a review by Savagegeese on the G70. He's nitpicky, but I like him in spite of/for it.

I intend to test drive, I just have a few big IFs...
...if the front grill continues to be the only (major) disappointment
...if it's not so tiny as an Abarth and I don't feel like I'm driving Shaq's left shoe (LOL)
...if the 2019 Stinger team decides to do nothing to unify the performance/luxury options available in other countries (AUS dealer bimodal exhaust, KR TUON carbon fiber. Gravy: 360 camera, AWD+LSD since I don't do snow very often, gods be good a double wishbone suspension!)

I liked my Stinger GT2 test drive and I have a lot of hopes for 2019. I've managed to put myself on a lot of mailing lists as a result. Haha! The Atlantica was only some of the distance they have to close in my view, so I'm glad it was cancelled. For better or worse, this is Kia's battle to lose. I'm really rooting for them to hit this next one out of the park.

Unfortunately, USD $55-60k is a lot of money (for me), so I have some high expectations to go with it.

mang.

[EDIT:words.]

 

[Jayce]

Looks like we might get more comparisons soon. Embargo for driving impressions of the US G70 end on Monday it seems. Looking forward to it.

 

[Waynerm002]

The G70 has already been proven to be the faster, more luxurious car. It’s lighter and smaller overall but then it was designed to compete with the A4, 3 Series, C class and other compact entry level sedans. The Stinger goes up against the A7, Pamamera and other mid-sized luxury sportbacks, even though folks don’t like to say that but it’d priced more like S5s and 440 sportbacks. Stinger is a GT car, G70 is a Sport sedan, similar under pinning but setup for different purposes. I like how the Stinger rides and handles as well as its size, once they get the G70 out, I’ll drive to see how it is.

 

[Jayce]

The G70 has already been proven to be the faster, more luxurious car. It’s lighter and smaller overall but then it was designed to compete with the A4, 3 Series, C class and other compact entry level sedans. The Stinger goes up against the A7, Pamamera and other mid-sized luxury sportbacks, even though folks don’t like to say that but it’d priced more like S5s and 440 sportbacks. Stinger is a GT car, G70 is a Sport sedan, similar under pinning but setup for different purposes. I like how the Stinger rides and handles as well as its size, once they get the G70 out, I’ll drive to see how it is.

Yeah, a few of the Canadian reviews I saw tended to like the G70 better drive wise. I prefer the looks of the Stinger. If they had just added those missing features I would be sold. My local dealer actually just called me today telling me they got some more Stingers in. I'm leaning towards the G70 now, especially since it might cost even less than the Stinger with more features. Unless you need the extra space, the G70 becomes a no brainer.

 

[Waynerm002]

The Stinger test drive reminded me of my old 5 series with the M-Sport package, quick, quiet and handles well. The space is just right in it for 4, 5 in a pinch and the hatchback space is a nice feature. The G70 seems to be going the way of the European sedans which have small interior space and trunk. Our S60 is in a similar space but I really love the seats in that car. It’s just a bit tight when carrying 4 for anything but shot trips and if you want to do a road trip, the trunk gets filled fast. Personally I favor wagons over SUVs but while I love the idea of the RS6, the price is just crazy. If I end up passing on the Stinger it would be because the V60 won me over or I get a killer deal on the new 2019 K900.

 

[Ace2Rolex]

G70 was my first choice, but for practicality, the Stinger offers more functional space. It was an easy decision once I sat in both.

 

[Jayce]

G70 was my first choice, but for practicality, the Stinger offers more functional space. It was an easy decision once I sat in both.

Yeah, if you need space the G70 seems like a no go. I've got a 5 passenger SUV and my wife has a 7 passenger one so I couldn't care less about space. My kids not riding in the G70. It'll be my sanctuary lol.

 

[Paul32]

Yeah, if you need space the G70 seems like a no go. I've got a 5 passenger SUV and my wife has a 7 passenger one so I couldn't care less about space. My kids not riding in the G70. It'll be my sanctuary lol.

I think it would be good for a second car, just like Mustangs, Camaros or any coupe.

 

[MerlintheMad]

If you have one car? ...

 

[Jayce]

If you have one car? ...

If you've got one car, it just depends on if you're going to have people riding with you often, in my opinion.