Stinger GT vs Charger RT Scat Pack ............nice article

[Dr_jitsu]

Mostly agree - but I think the Charger SRT narrows that margin some - adjustable suspension that's a little better, as far as I've read, those MASSIVE brakes, the Performance pages, line lock, etc. They definitely have more features for the enthusiast than the Stinger. OTOH, I got several looks on my trip - one guy in a Lexus IS nearly broke his neck looking back

You are correct. That motor is legendary. If it is roll on or 1/4 mile the charger is going to be markedly faster. A used top line Camaro is also faster...much faster if it is the Zl1. You can get one used for something close to a Stinger price. But that car beats the crap out of you.

 

[MerlintheMad]

You want to compare to "legendary", try this out: Dropbox - F1-1953 BRM V16 Mk2.mp3 - Simplify your life BRM V-16, one of only two P30s (owned, currently I believe, by Bernie Ecclestone: previously, when this set of recorded laps was made, by Pink Floyd drummer Nick Mason). Listen to this in your Stinger: the HK surround sound is ridiculously good. And I advise not while driving: as the BRM accelerates "up from the rear" and crosses over right to left, your go pedal foot will twitch (if you keep it under control) or plant, to keep time with the music!

(the last, civilized portion of the audio clip is some V-12 a Ferrari, I believe my friend told me; that's why it's spikes are so sedate by comparison; well, that and "you" are in the car for part of a lap, so, different audio perspective.)

 

[CKeeler]

I like the scat pack hemis, heard one jump on it today and yes, the sound is glorious. And I don't kid myself, I actually ran one and he put nearly 2 lengths on me.

That’s interesting. I’ve run against 2 different Scat Packs and neither one could pull on me. I couldn’t pull on them so it was even. I wonder if the one you ran was a “bit” modified

 

[Dr_jitsu]

It depends. 0 to 60, yes they are similar, but when you get above 60 that is when the 460 hp shines. If you are racing 60 to 130 (IE your typical highway roll on) the Hemi is going to pull if the driver is competent. It has more up top than the Stinger. I hung with the Hemi until about 100 mph, then he steadily pulled on me.

Now, a modified Stinger with bigger turbos? Yes, that will walk the Hemi. But stock to stock the Hemi will win. The hemi traps 8 mph higher in the quarter mile.

 

[turboAWD]

Now, a modified Stinger with bigger turbos? Yes, that will walk the Hemi. But stock to stock the Hemi will win. The hemi traps 8 mph higher in the quarter mile.

Someone apparently ran 11.6 (more or less our best) in a Scat pack minus seats with upgraded slicks. But stock is more 12.x, which I think we can beat with a jb4.

 

[SVT2003]

That’s interesting. I’ve run against 2 different Scat Packs and neither one could pull on me. I couldn’t pull on them so it was even. I wonder if the one you ran was a “bit” modified

I’m pretty familiar with 392 Hemi cars. The downside on these cars is that stock these cars don’t have enough tire width. Newer scat packs are offering wider wheels as an option and they still fight for traction. I love my Stinger as an all around car but a 392 Charger is in a different league than the Stinger in straight line performance. I actually cross shopped these two cars before getting the Stinger. Overall I think although a couple ticks slower the Stinger is the more complete car for my needs

 

[Ecobust]

Around these parts chargers are about as common as STDs at a strip club, so, I've had races with more than a few of them. Except for a debadged hellcat that caught me by surprise, I haven't had any trouble handling any of the ones I've gone up against. Up until recently I only drove with my JB4 on map 5 but I got tired of buying E85 so I'm now down on map 3. Even still, I gapped a 392 charger from a roll just the other night.

Just my experience, YMMV.

 

[SVT2003]

I was talking stock for stock, from what I know Mopar vehicles tend to be the most difficult to tune compared to Ford and GM so I don’t know how much power they make with a tune. I think more than anything they are super tricky to launch without excessive wheel-spin.

Either way I feel they are very different cars. If I lived in a warm climate I probably would’ve bought one over my AWD Stinger. But I suppose it’s my preference of having driven American RWD cars my whole life

 

[Dr_jitsu]

Around these parts chargers are about as common as STDs at a strip club, so, I've had races with more than a few of them. Except for a debadged hellcat that caught me by surprise, I haven't had any trouble handling any of the ones I've gone up against. Up until recently I only drove with my JB4 on map 5 but I got tired of buying E85 so I'm now down on map 3. Even still, I gapped a 392 charger from a roll just the other night.

Just my experience, YMMV.

That is more than possible. Stock cars built for forced induction generally have lots of untapped power. 2 Hemis both put about one and a half lengths on me by 130. That is not a lot. With just a tune it should be the other way around. With bigger turbos the Hemi will not be close. Just remember, modding cars is a very expensive hobby.

 

[JeffAsfbay]

I loved my 2015 SRT Charger and was set on finding another when I happened upon the Stinger GT. I love both of these cars.

Yet, the Stinger wins out for its fuel economy, design, handling, technology, warranty and spaciousness from the hatch. With my tune, I've beat several SRT and scat pack Chargers. Absolutely no regrets buying this Kia.

What sort of HP and torque is your tune yielding? And up to what speed did you beat the Charger? I'm not a Mopar fanboy but at some point the higher HP should cause the Charger to pull back ahead. But may that distance is beyond the 1/4 mile, I don't know. The Stinger AWD definitely has a big advantage off the line, and that's huge when it comes to the 1/4 mile - that's when time is ticking away and the cars are going their slowest, so hooking up and blasting out of the hole is a very competitive edge for the Stinger.

 

[MisterMac]

What sort of HP and torque is your tune yielding? And up to what speed did you beat the Charger? I'm not a Mopar fanboy but at some point the higher HP should cause the Charger to pull back ahead. But may that distance is beyond the 1/4 mile, I don't know. The Stinger AWD definitely has a big advantage off the line, and that's huge when it comes to the 1/4 mile - that's when time is ticking away and the cars are going their slowest, so hooking up and blasting out of the hole is a very competitive edge for the Stinger.

A couple things came into play. First, they weigh about 550 more lbs than my GT2.

Second, my lowest hp measurement is 479 and the SRT hp is close to 475.

Third, the SRT had lots of wheel spin, whereas my AWD takes right off.

 

[Dr_jitsu]

I think a basic JB 4 and new intake alone would make our cars as fast (maybe faster) than the Charger scat pack.

 

[Dr_jitsu]

A couple things came into play. First, they weigh about 550 more lbs than my GT2.

Second, my lowest hp measurement is 479 and the SRT hp is close to 475.

Third, the SRT had lots of wheel spin, whereas my AWD takes right off.

Dyno? The stock Hemi only makes about 380 whp, not 475. If you are dynoing 479 than you should put a buss length on him.

 

[MisterMac]

Dyno?

Yes, though the graphs suck. It is in another thread a long time ago

 

[Dr_jitsu]

Why do the graphs suck? The powerband should be excellent.

 

[MisterMac]

Why do the graphs suck? The powerband should be excellent.

It was fine at a school. The only 4WD dyno around here. The guy didn't know what he was doing

 

[Dr_jitsu]

Don't trust your car to people who are unqualified. Tommy Bahn here in Houston is the go to guy for Asian cars (although he worked on my Porsche...the guy is talented). I know of 6 AWD dynoe's here in Houston. Did you get a print out of your dyno? That is standard. We can then look at it to further understand the power band, which is different from most other 6 cylinders.

Also, after decades in the car scene, it is very very common for people to inflate their numbers. You have a very good 0 to 60, but that does not tell us how your car would do as a roll on car. Houston is the street racing capital of the Universe (especially during the Supra Nationals).

All highway roll ons start at 60 and go to at least 130. Looking at the dyno would tell us how this car is up top. Stock they are all bottom end. Great for day to day driving but not for roll racing.

 

[Dr_jitsu]

Here is my old Porsche GT2 in action. All racing was done in Mexico.

 

[KDM Harley]

I saw that earlier. Good article. I've put a couple Scat packs to shame, so that shows it's not all about the bigger engine these days

Exactly right. The hp on paper does not translate to the dig in real time.

The twin turbos + gdi make it feel way more than what the factory says about the horsepower.