Stinger Alternative??

Was this a RWD or AWD? And was it marked up above MSRP? Because the calculators I've been using get me to around $650ish on an AWD with only $1200 out of pocket total. Maybe because of higher taxes in California (its 7% here in Ohio)?

RWD. Taxes are a bit higher here (7.75%), and also there are documentation fees etc. to consider (and remember the capitalized cost reduction is also taxable). Here's the breakdown:

$608/mo base (from Kia's website using the GT2 RWD deal with the cargo mat/net, $1300 down, and 12k/miles per year).
+ use tax (7.75% sales tax) = $655/mo
+ sales tax on capitalized cost reduction (amortized) = $671/mo
+ license/other government fees (amortized) = $687/mo

There's another $8/mo in there somewhere, but if that's additional profit, I'm not too annoyed by it.
 
Was this a RWD or AWD? And was it marked up above MSRP? Because the calculators I've been using get me to around $650ish on an AWD with only $1200 out of pocket total. Maybe because of higher taxes in California (its 7% here in Ohio)?
Taxes on auto purchases in CA are based on the address the car will be registered at, not the place of purchase. So, for instance, sales tax in one of my neighboring towns is 10.25%, while just over the city line, it's 9.5%.
 
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Can used car be leased? Maybe leasing a BMW GT 440 works for you for a while. Same with the A5s etc.
 
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I think $700 is way too much for this. Especially with $6100 in rebates. That means its $43100!! 1% of total vehicle is usually a good deal on lease cars. $700 thats like 1.5%.

I can lease a Lexus RC350 no money down for $530 a month and the Lexus is $52K - 5K incentive.

Florida doesnt require full tax on the vehicle. I believe only TX, NY, MN, OH, GA, and IL require full tax.

Thanks, I tried asking for the MF. They wont give it to me unless I go in first. lol
 
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I actually thought the $6100-$6800 lease cash was a pretty awesome deal this early in the game. You disagree?

The lease cash is actually great, but the money factor and residual value tied to it is a real drag.

Take a US spec GT2 RWD with a selling price of 50,100 with destination. To lease it, you get 6100 dollars off the price. With that one and only one discount applied, the lease rate for 10K/36m is $585 with 2K down, $645 with zero down.

(Those numbers will rise depending on your state tax procedure, markups, accessories, up sells, etc. This also assumes your dealer gives you the base money factor. Your military or student discount won’t do much here, maybe lower it by a ten dollars a month. This also assumes a 700+ credit score. We will ignore this because it varies so greatly)

The culprit is the money factor, which is 0.00180 (+/- 0.00001), but it’s 4.43% APR regardless. Over the 36 month lease, you will pay approximately $1,600 in interest to the bank. Let’s subtract that from your discount of $6100 and, effectively, you got $4500 off on the car.

Again, not bad right? A 50K new car lease and $4,500 off the price should you buy it afterwards. A monthly payment of $585 (again, pre-tax) It looks totally fine until you start to look around at the competition.

You could easily get a 2017 Lexus GS F-Sport lease for less. I *think* you could get a 2018 GS F sport for almost the same. You could get a fully loaded Infiniti Q50 for far less (sub $400). You could get a Q70 for the same amount. 3 series for less, 5 series for less. Audi A6 for similar money (unlikely). G80 easily for less. Alfa Romeo Giulia for less. American muscle V8 for far less. (Chevy SS, Camaro, Charger, etc).

You could even get a K900 Luxury for less. Yes, seriously.

The big problems with the Stinger is the Residual Value, firm sale price, and money factor. The cars above have negotiating room, factory incentives, and some have security deposits to reduce the MF. They also have higher residual values, which lowers the amount owed during the life of the loan.

I understand the Stinger is new, but Kia has already resigned it to be “worthless” in three years by giving it a low residual. The interest rate to get it is much higher than its competition. The pricing so close to invoice makes wiggle room pretty tight.

Like I said before: you have to **really** want the Stinger, because if you can afford the lease price, I guarantee there’s another sporty car you could have had for cheaper. Even the base 2.0T lease price is non-competitive against some American muscle V6s. The feature set of the Premium 2.0T isn’t even competitive with the Optima SXL.

I’m not saying I’m opposed to buying a Stinger, but the decision is getting less easy given the numbers.
 
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One thing to remember about the residual, is that Kia are ESTIMATING that the car will be hardly worth anything in 3 years. They may be wrong. It may be worth more. Or less. A bit less than 7 years ago I leased one of the first Audi A7's that arrived in the USA. I don't remember what the residual was, but it made the lease darn expensive and I only did it because I'd fallen in love with car... But at the end of 3 years the car was worth far more than the purchase option. When I turned it in I got over $5000 in trade-in equity towards my current vehicle.
 
One thing to remember about the residual, is that Kia are ESTIMATING that the car will be hardly worth anything in 3 years. They may be wrong. It may be worth more. Or less. A bit less than 7 years ago I leased one of the first Audi A7's that arrived in the USA. I don't remember what the residual was, but it made the lease darn expensive and I only did it because I'd fallen in love with car... But at the end of 3 years the car was worth far more than the purchase option. When I turned it in I got over $5000 in trade-in equity towards my current vehicle.
My guess is their guess is fairly accurate. It is going to be a min before the rest of the world realizes what we realize, that Kia makes great cars. Going on history, they haven't held their value that will and that's most unfortunate.
 
I got a dealer to agree to $680 per month (zero down + 1st payment) for a 36mo/12k lease on a GT2 AWD. This is at Kia Bellingham in WA. I didn't take the deal ultimately as i made up my mind on the Audi S5 sportback because of all the stuff they took out.
 
I got a dealer to agree to $680 per month (zero down + 1st payment) for a 36mo/12k lease on a GT2 AWD. This is at Kia Bellingham in WA. I didn't take the deal ultimately as i made up my mind on the Audi S5 sportback because of all the stuff they took out.

How much did you end up getting the Audi for?
 
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From interior to exterior to high performance - everything you need for your Stinger awaits you...
I actually haven't signed papers yet but I am getting a family and friends discount on a S5 SB Prestige. The msrp is $68k but they say I'll be able to get me an OTD for $64k. I am waiting for them to do a dealer trade to acquire the vehicle I want but if it doesn't go through I can settle on the Stinger.

I know this is the internet and pics or it didn't happen. So once I get the deal I will report back. I really wanted to get the Stinger but this whole decontenting pisses me off.
 
I actually haven't signed papers yet but I am getting a family and friends discount on a S5 SB Prestige. The msrp is $68k but they say I'll be able to get me an OTD for $64k. I am waiting for them to do a dealer trade to acquire the vehicle I want but if it doesn't go through I can settle on the Stinger.

I know this is the internet and pics or it didn't happen. So once I get the deal I will report back. I really wanted to get the Stinger but this whole decontenting pisses me off.
That's a big chunk of cash for features the Stinger is missing. Which features would you see yourself missing the most?
 
I may be in the minority, I have had my eye on the Stinger for over six months as I need a new car. I currently drive a 07 Lexus GS350 and was looking for a "midlife crisis" car to replace it. The Stinger GT seemed like a great next vehicle as it is almost exactly the same size as my GS350. I Test drove both Genesis G80 and G80 Sport, and they are just too "heavy". I would have paid list price for the GT1 with Drivewise, but the fact that Kia USA decided to "deluxuryfi" the Stinger is annoying me to no end. I was expecting all the stuff that was announced and more (camera, seats).
First, is there a list of what we are NOT getting in terms of options in the USA?
Second, if not the Stinger and G80 Sport, what car in the US $45-50K range would be an alternative for a 3 year lease and wait for the Stinger to be spec'ed out more in later model years? I was considering waiting for the 2019 G80, but may not be able to wait that long. i want something in a similar size range.
Another Lexus GS would have been the logical successor, but the Lexus front end is really ugly.
Thanks in advance.

UPDATE,
Well no Stinger, ended up with new 2017 Jaguar XF 35t Prestige. Last one on the lot and got a great deal, with the trade in of the 07 Lexus GS 350. I also kept near the price point I wanted. Obviously a very different direction than the Stinger GT1 I was eyeing, but for the kind of driving I do, it's perfect. Perhaps in a few years when Kia gets the bugs worked out and offers the luxury items. Thanks for all the advice, see you all in a few years!
 
UPDATE,
Well no Stinger, ended up with 2017 Jaguar XF 35t Prestige. Last one on the lot and got a great deal, with the trade in of the 07 Lexus. Obviously a very different direction than the Stinger GT1 I was eyeing, but for the kind of driving I do, it's perfect. Perhaps in a few years when Kia gets the bugs worked out and offers the luxury items. Thanks for all the advice, see you all in a few years!
Good luck and enjoy your new car! We'll see ya down the road...
 
UPDATE,
Well no Stinger, ended up with 2017 Jaguar XF 35t Prestige. Last one on the lot and got a great deal, with the trade in of the 07 Lexus. Obviously a very different direction than the Stinger GT1 I was eyeing, but for the kind of driving I do, it's perfect. Perhaps in a few years when Kia gets the bugs worked out and offers the luxury items. Thanks for all the advice, see you all in a few years!
Congrats on your new vehicle. What kinda deal did you get if you don't mind me asking?
 
From interior to exterior to high performance - everything you need for your Stinger awaits you...
UPDATE,
Well no Stinger, ended up with new 2017 Jaguar XF 35t Prestige. Last one on the lot and got a great deal, with the trade in of the 07 Lexus GS 350. I also kept near the price point I wanted. Obviously a very different direction than the Stinger GT1 I was eyeing, but for the kind of driving I do, it's perfect. Perhaps in a few years when Kia gets the bugs worked out and offers the luxury items. Thanks for all the advice, see you all in a few years!

That should be a very delightful ride! Congrats and best wishes. I also needed to find an alternative while Kia figures out how to build non-black interiors! I wound up with a 2018 BMW 330Xi GT, $50k MSRP, just about the identical size and hatch config to a Stinger with a significantly discounted zero-down 3 year lease for $492/month. Also plan to come back and check out Stinger for the next go-round.
 
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I'd say the Alfa Giulia should be in your list of options. They've got good lease deals on them right now. But, it too is missing some features. There's no 360 cameras and AA/CarPlay is coming....

But it is sick to drive!
 
Did someone say Alfa...!?!?!?!?! :geek::thumbup::):cool::D:thumbup:
 
I may be in the minority, I have had my eye on the Stinger for over six months as I need a new car. I currently drive a 07 Lexus GS350 and was looking for a "midlife crisis" car to replace it. The Stinger GT seemed like a great next vehicle as it is almost exactly the same size as my GS350. I Test drove both Genesis G80 and G80 Sport, and they are just too "heavy". I would have paid list price for the GT1 with Drivewise, but the fact that Kia USA decided to "deluxuryfi" the Stinger is annoying me to no end. I was expecting all the stuff that was announced and more (camera, seats).
First, is there a list of what we are NOT getting in terms of options in the USA?
Second, if not the Stinger and G80 Sport, what car in the US $45-50K range would be an alternative for a 3 year lease and wait for the Stinger to be spec'ed out more in later model years? I was considering waiting for the 2019 G80, but may not be able to wait that long. i want something in a similar size range.
Another Lexus GS would have been the logical successor, but the Lexus front end is really ugly.
Thanks in advance.

That's a tough question as KIA created it's own niche with the Stinger. I've been looking for a car with all these features for the past 15 years in the US but it never existed until recently. If not the Stinger, I'd say a good number two pick would be the VW Arteon when it comes out in the US. That's my number two anyway. After that, I'd say the new Buick Regal. Or you could go more expensive and go for an Audi A/S5 or Audi A/S4 or G70 when it comes out or an Infiniti Q50. Or you can go really expensive and go Audi A/S7 or Porsche Panamera.
 
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