Stinger 3.3 Oil filter

[robz32]

Robz32, may I ask you which brand and viscocity engine oil and filter do you use in your Stinger?
Thank you

I used Mobl 1 Extended Performance 5w-30
https://www.walmart.com/ip/Mobil-1-Extended-Performance-High-Mileage-Formula-5W30-5-qt/111569385

The only reason I used that one is because it met both the ACEA A5-B5 and GF5 requirements by KIA.

 

[Sensibly Spirited Driver]

I used Mobl 1 Extended Performance 5w-30
https://www.walmart.com/ip/Mobil-1-Extended-Performance-High-Mileage-Formula-5W30-5-qt/111569385

The only reason I used that one is because it met both the ACEA A5-B5 and GF5 requirements by KIA.

The link you sent was to the "high mileage" formula, which is designed for vehicles with over 75,000 miles on them. That shouldn't be used on a new Stinger, or any new car not suffering oil leaks.

The simplest option, for easy pickup, is Mobile 1 5w-30 (unless you live in an extreme climate). The 5w-30 is what is recommended in the manual for peak fuel efficiency on the V6, or 0w-30 for the 2.0L.

From the factory, the car comes with Total Quartz 9000 Energy HKS G310. The "HKS" in that presumably stands for "Hyundai Kia Services". That's not avilable in the US, and the closest I could find to "stock" was Total Quartz 9000 Energy 5w-40, but you'll lose fuel efficiency on this engine with a 5w-40. For those who live in Arizona or Nevada, particularity in the summer, a 5w-40 would make sense.

The Total Quartz series is a "new technology" oil, designed for greater efficiency and better protection. The new tech oils are supposed to be about 3% more fuel efficient than the last gen (read Mobil 1 in the US). It's perfectly fine to use Mobil 1 in your Stinger, and it's easy to get, but the fuel efficiency (supposedly) we'll be a bit worse than with the stock fill or a next gen oil.

You can get Total Quartz INEO Long Life 5w-30 from Amazon. It will cost a bit more than the readily available Mobil 1 5w-30, but the greater fuel efficiency (at least promised) should pay back dividends over 6,000 miles of pump visits. Less engine wear is a plus too. Most people won't be running these for 300,000 miles, so that probably doesn't matter. I have a feeling this car is going to be a classic, and having the first model year ever will be nice. I want to keep my car in as good a shape as I can. Even if there was no difference in fuel efficiency, I'd still use next gen Total oil, as recommended by Kia, to keep the engine in its best condition.

For all practical purposes, though, it's not going to make a huge difference, so most will probably just get a last gen oil off the shelf in the US. In Europe, all the major brands sell next gen oil now. Eventually we'll have it in the US in stores, but it could be a couple years. Our emissions standards aren't as strict.

 

[phxgt]

Where do you see Kia recommend Total?

"Even if there was no difference in fuel efficiency, I'd still use next genTotal oil, as recommended by Kia, to keep theengine in its best condition."

 

[moinmoin]

Kia recommend Total?

Have look at this link:
KIA RECOMMENDS TOTAL

 

[Sensibly Spirited Driver]

Where do you see Kia recommend Total?

As I wrote in the post, "recommended in the manual." See chapter 8, page 7.

The good news is I found that Pennzoil is making a next gen product called "Platinum Euro L" which meets the same specs as Total Quarts, (ACEA C3--the highest standard) and is available for $28 at Walmart online. I'll be buying Pennzoil Euro L when I'm through with the Total Quartz I ordered, or whatever the cheapest C3 spec oil is at the time. The standards for C3 are so incredibly stringent, they're all going to be effectively the same from all makers.

It's also important to note that the 2.0L requires next gen oil (unlike the V6). Mobile makes an ACEA C2 spec, listed as the minimum for that engine, called Mobil 1 ESP 0w-30. It's only available in that rating, though. The US oil companies don't want to put top quality oil on our shelves until they have to (they all have top products in the shelves in Europe, due to competition). My guess is the difference between ACEA C2 and C3 would be incredibly minimal for a gasoline engine. That being said, because the 2.0L requires next gen oil, it would probably benefit more from the improvements in C3 than the V6 would. The good news is, thanks to Pennzoil, we all have a C3 option, which is cheap, for all our engines.

My guess is part of the reason the US companies don't want to bring out C3 oils in the US, is because they are all designed to last 30,000KM (18,641 miles). There are still people in the US who think they should change their oil every 3,000 miles, and Mobil would certainly prefer they continue to think that. I'll be changing my oil at Kia's recommended 6,000 mile mark, mainly just to keep the engine as clean as possible. One of the main issues we have in the US, that other countries don't, is the corn (ethanol) that's added to our gas. It's nice for farmers in Iowa, but it's corrosive to seals and creates nasty buildup in the engine. To combat that, we add detergents to our gas in the US, to try and remove the ethanol sludge that builds up. If I lived in another country, with good gas, I'd probably change my oil every 12,000 miles or so. No reason to throw away perfectly good oil. That is, indeed, part of the reason for the C3 standard, to reduce the amount of good oil people are throwing away.

 

[Mach_Tuck]

I dont see any reference to any "Brand" of oil in the manual. Only the spec listings...

FWIW...the Mobil1 site lists way more specs that the 5W30 meets than the actual bottle/jug does. not sure of why they do this but online the Mobil site says that 5W30 does meet all the specs contained in the manual...most notably the A5/B5 spec which DOES NOT show on the jugs at walmart.

Mobil 1™ 5W-30  

 

[moinmoin]

I dont see any reference to any "Brand"

Correct.
While it is true that KIA "recommends" the Total brand, it does not mean or be taken as, that is the only oil KIA drivers should use.
Total is a good brand, but virtually any synthetic oil that is commercially available will meet the KIA specs.
Getting paranoid about what synthetic oil to use in our engines is in my opinion and with all due respect, a big waste of time.

 

[Sensibly Spirited Driver]

I dont see any reference to any "Brand" of oil in the manual. Only the spec listings...

Further, and I feel like I have to repeat this in every post on this subject, in every thread, the V6 is designed to run on previous generations oils. You can put any 5w-30 you want in it, or 0w-40, or 0w-30 or 10w-60, and from whatever logo suits your fancy. The manual says the V6 runs most efficiently with 5w-30. You don't have to use it if you don't want to. The manual recommends Total, and the factory fill is Total Quartz 9000 Energy, a next gen oil. You don't have to use a next gen oil, or Total. The oil companies, and certification boards say that the next gen oil is at least 2.8% more fuel efficient (I generally round that to 3%) than previous gen oils. It's not a requirement. Just because someone wants to use an allegedly more fuel efficient product, and one which allegedly protects the engine better, does not mean you have to. The latest spec is ACEA C3, which is the spec of Total Quartz 9000 Energy, as filled by the factory, and Pennzoil Euro L sold at Walmart for $28. Get whatever you like. Nearly every SAE Xw-XX at every store you go to will meet the minimum spec for the V6. The 2.0L requires a next gen oil with a minimum rating of ACEA C2, so those buyers will have to get at a minimum Mobil 1 ESP 0w-30 (ACEA C2) or better.

 

[moinmoin]

That' nice ...

 

[phxgt]

Based on my limited knowledge... And thanks for what I do have to those contributing to this thread....I think all would agree that if I'm going to follow the 3k internal between changes as recommended for extreme conditions as most say we have here in Phoenix.... that any qualified "prior gen" synthetic will suffice?

 

[Sensibly Spirited Driver]

Based on my limited knowledge... And thanks for what I do have to those contributing to this thread....I think all would agree that if I'm going to follow the 3k internal between changes as recommended for extreme conditions as most say we have here in Phoenix.... that any qualified "prior gen" synthetic will suffice?

Yes, any synthetic will suffice.

Regarding heat, though, by "extreme condition", they are referring to people who push the engine hard, like lots of stop and go, short duration trips (under 10 minutes of driving), or driving spiritedly.

Ambient heat isn't listed as one of them, because with an oil that has an appropriate summer rating, your engine should be fine. If I lived in Arizona, I'd (presumably) use 5w-40 oil, for the added heat protection.

I've posted the Kia's SAE recommendation chart, from the manual. The "full spectrum" is at the bottom (5w-30/40), which is something that could get you by in the dead of winter in Wyoming, as well as the heat of Phoenix--where you can cook and egg on your hood. If you're going to be spending most of your time in either really cold or really hot places, then getting an oil oriented towards that will be easier on your engine. I'd use 0w-30 for Wyoming in winter, and 5w-40 in Phoenix. I'd also talk to car people there and figure out what was best. Maybe a 50 would be helpful?

That's why people use 10w-60 for racing. If you're putting your engine through the extreme stress heat of high RPM's, you want an oil that can become less viscous. The metal in your engine would be running far hotter than a Phoenix day. If you have an oil that can deal with higher heat, you'll put less stress on the engine. Outside of racing, you don't need 60, though. So, to repeat, 5w-40 should be okay year round, but I'd ask other car people in Phoenix.

Here's a video that explains more about how synthetic oil actually functions, to make these larger changes in viscosity:

 

[Sensibly Spirited Driver]

I've posted this in the Kia Stinger Oil Thread, but am posting here as well, given its relevancy to the discussion:

I emailed Total some days ago, and got a response today. I've posted the full email below, but the gist is Total says Total Quartz Ineo MC3 is the best product in their line for the Stinger GT, and is what is recommended by Kia globally for all aftersales service (outside of Korea). I'm curious what is recommended in Korea (factory fill is Total Quartz 9000 Energy HKS G-310). Anyway, Ineo MC3 is what both Kia and Total recommend for the Stinger GT. Of course, the GT can run on anything sold in stores, including 1980's conventional without even detergents, with its ancient ILSAC GF-4 minimum. The 2.0L, though, requires next gen oil, and needs ACEA C2 at a minimum (manual says "ACEA C2 or above"). Since ACEA C3 is the highest grade oil available, and is best for all modern cars, Ineo MC3 is ideal for all Stingers. You can run lower grade oil in the GT, if you want. Supposedly C3 will provide better protection for the engine and better fuel efficiency. As I wrote in the above post, Pennzoil Platinum Euro L meets ACEA C3 spec, and is suitable for all Stingers, and costs $28 at Walmart. That's the least expensive C3 option in the US, and seems an obvious choice. If you want to put what Kia and Total recommend as the best product, than it's Amazon for us US Stinger owners.