Starter

[Clearly Canadian]

Saw on a tiktok a mechanic was hating on the theta (4 cyl) stinger engine because in order to replace the starter the entire engine needs to be hoisted out. Basically it's a huge labour bill if your starter goes kaput out of warranty.

Does anyone know if the V6 engine has the same issue?

 

[D.J.]

Sounds like a whinny tech...

Also, no, the engine doesn't have to come out of either car (4cyl or 6cyl) to replace the starter.

Was this the winny tech essentially complaining about having to remove the engine mount?... During an engine replacement.

TikTok - Make Your Day

 

[Clearly Canadian]

Sounds like a whinny tech...

Also, no, the engine doesn't have to come out of either car (4cyl or 6cyl) to replace the starter.

Was this the winny tech essentially complaining about having to remove the engine mount?... During an engine replacement.

TikTok - Make Your Day

Yup that one

 

[bfglitch]

While I'm not saying starters don't fail, because they can...and do. But every car you see in my sig (besides the sebring that was totaled within months of ownership) have lasted over 150k miles and I never had to replace a starter on any of them. Granted these days with ISG it puts more stress on the starter, which is why I disable ISG every time I get in the car. Saving a few $ in gas does not equal the cost of how much it is to replace a starter.

 

[Devin]

While I'm not saying starters don't fail, because they can...and do. But every car you see in my sig (besides the sebring that was totaled within months of ownership) have lasted over 150k miles and I never had to replace a starter on any of them. Granted these days with ISG (Idle Stop and Go) it puts more stress on the starter, which is why I disable ISG (Idle Stop and Go) every time I get in the car. Saving a few $ in gas does not equal the cost of how much it is to replace a starter.

It's not just about saving a few bucks, it's mainly about emissions control. Some folks do care about that. Especially since the Lambda II does not exactly sip fuel.

 

[bfglitch]

It's not just about saving a few bucks, it's mainly about emissions control. Some folks do care about that. Especially since the Lambda II does not exactly sip fuel.

True. Still...think I'd rather not have to put more stress on the starter than necessary.

Also I've noticed at least when I'm driving around town....9 times out of 10 I'm only at a stop for a couple of seconds. Sometimes it's more of an annoyance because I'll be stopped so briefly that it takes longer to stop, then start...then to accelerate again.

 

[7Andrei7]

That guy is a total hack. He claims the engine has failed at very low milage but if that were the case why would it be in a back alley shop and not at a dealer since it would still be under warranty?
I think that's a salvage car.
Also, the dealer actually changed my starter motor under warranty (had problems with the start-stop system) and it took 1 hour or so. They did it during my oil change.

 

[D.J.]

Also, the dealer actually changed my starter motor under warranty (had problems with the start-stop system) and it took 1 hour or so. They did it during my oil change.

You have the 4cyl or 6cyl?

 

[7Andrei7]

You have the 4cyl or 6cyl?

The 2.0 4cyl

 

[D.J.]

The 2.0 4cyl

Did your starter issues ever present themselves when starting the car? Or only when the iSG system was operating?

What were the issues?

 

[Clearly Canadian]

In the video it failed after 14k miles.

That guy is a total hack. He claims the engine has failed at very low milage but if that were the case why would it be in a back alley shop and not at a dealer since it would still be under warranty?
I think that's a salvage car.
Also, the dealer actually changed my starter motor under warranty (had problems with the start-stop system) and it took 1 hour or so. They did it during my oil change.

Apparently warranty was declined due to installed mods unrelated to the starter.

 

[7Andrei7]

In the video it failed after 14k miles.

Apparently warranty was declined due to installed mods unrelated to the starter.

I mean.. you can't go whining about how bad the engine is after you ruined it with bad mods.

 

[7Andrei7]

Did your starter issues ever present themselves when starting the car? Or only when the ISG (Idle Stop and Go) system was operating?

What were the issues?

Had no problem starting the car under normal conditions.
The problem, which happened once, was that the car refused to restart after it shut itself off under start-stop conditions.

In detail:
I was in a very long queue for about half an hour (start - stop every couple of min). Then, once, when I lifted the foot off the brake the car did not restart. It showed an error on the cluster telling me to restart manually. I followed the procedure displayed but the car would not start and instead was making this weird long beep.
So I thought to make a "hard reset". Got out of the car, locked it, waited 2 min for the power to totally go off, then opened the car got in and it started normally.
I told this story to a tech at the dealer and he said I should stop using ISG immediately and that they've had this problem diagnosed with another kia and it was the starter motor. They changed mine as well and I've not experienced that again.

 

[D.J.]

Had no problem starting the car under normal conditions.
The problem, which happened once, was that the car refused to restart after it shut itself off under start-stop conditions.

In detail:
I was in a very long queue for about half an hour (start - stop every couple of min). Then, once, when I lifted the foot off the brake the car did not restart. It showed an error on the cluster telling me to restart manually. I followed the procedure displayed but the car would not start and instead was making this weird long beep.
So I thought to make a "hard reset". Got out of the car, locked it, waited 2 min for the power to totally go off, then opened the car got in and it started normally.
I told this story to a tech at the6
dealer and he said I should stop using ISG (Idle Stop and Go) immediately and that they've had this problem diagnosed with another kia and it was the starter motor. They changed mine as well and I've not experienced that again.

Thanks for sharing.

I always did hate the ISG

 

[7Andrei7]

I always did hate the ISG (Idle Stop and Go)

I also stopped using it almost entirely.

 

[D.J.]

I also stopped using it almost entirely.

I modified mine to default to " ISG off" & "auto hold on" after every restart.


Automate pressing both "Auto Hold" - "Auto Stop and go" each drive cycle. 2018 Kia Stinger

https://imgur.com/a/RltYt8v

 

[JSolo]

I rarely use auto hold but do use start/stop on long lights. Usually once or less per drive cycle.

If stuck in stop and go traffic, one should definitely disable it as repeated subsequent restarts can overheat the starter. I would think the system would have logic in place to protect itself in this scenario.

 

[D.J.]

I rarely use auto hold but do use start/stop on long lights. Usually once or less per drive cycle.

If stuck in stop and go traffic, one should definitely disable it as repeated subsequent restarts can overheat the starter. I would think the system would have logic in place to protect itself in this scenario.

Confirmed, it does not.
I have read through all of the ISG conditions.

 

[JSolo]

Maybe it protects itself indirectly -- each restart would reduce the available power from the battery. At some point the battery level is below the system's threshold¿?

<shrug> Even when I do use it, I press the A button while foot is still on the brake to restart the engine vs immediate throttle at restart.

 

[D.J.]

As long as:
ISG switch is not pressed (disabled)
Coolant is Over 30°C (86°F)
Brake vacuum is Below -35kPa
Drive door, Seat belt, Hood is closed
EMS state
(TPS/CKP/CMP/WTS/Vehicle speed signal) is satisfied
A/C System is satisfied
Battery sensor
[SOC: Over 78% Temperatuere:2-55°C(35.6 - 131°F)]
Vehicle spees Entry the below 0kph after Over 8kph (means you must reach 8kph between engine offs)
Accelerator pedal - not touched
Brake pedal - pressed of auto hold is holding.


More details here

http://www.kstinger.com/isg_idle_stop_amp_go_system-468.html