Shop says new rims won't clear calipers

[RMiddy]

Hey guys,

I've got a '19 GT Limited that came with the staggered stock rims and Michelin PS4s.

This winter I bought a set of Pirelli asymmetricos for winter and an 18 inch square setup set of wheels. The steel winter rims were recommended by half a dozen sites and came up as compatible with the car.

Shop putting them on calls and says they won't fit; they'll hit the calipers.

We bought the wheels and tires through Canadian Tire, and the same set still come up as compatible online.

1) Will Canadian Tire refund me because they don't fit, and eat the cost of putting them on a different set?

2) I think the only difference I can see compared to the stock set is that the winter set are 40mm offset and stock rims are 45mm. There's no way to adjust this, and I'll just need new wheels, correct?

 

[Snicklefritz]

who can say what a company will do? the ones that said they'll fit, and they don't, should be responsible and refund / replace. just get them to take back the brand new wheels and replace them with ones that fit. and accept their apology graciously, of course.

 

[RMiddy]

Update so far:

The automotive manager at my Canadian Tire was reasonable on the phone. I called and said I would purchase a set of wheels that would fit my vehicle and refund the first set, but that I didn't think it was fair that I pay for TPMS and rubber to be installed on two different sets of tires. Since he could see that the original wheels were still the only recommended steel rims on their own website for my fitment, he said he'd make sure they take care of reinstallation on new wheels when I come by.

Unfortunately, the second most inexpensive wheels after the steel set ($98 ea) are alloys at $148 ea even on sale, but it seems fair that I pay the difference on the product and CT eats the cost of reinstallation.

The 40 vs 45 mm offset wasn't so much the issue as that the steel wheel drum has far more ridges inside than an alloy wheel, which is usually a smooth-bore barrel inside the wheel. An unfortunate manufacturing quirk of steel wheels, and an added headache for online fitment recommendations that I hope CT fixes soon.

 

[Snicklefritz]

that is strange, because I've seen pictures of canadian stingers with plain steel wheels for winter setups, so they obviously found 'steelies' that work with brembo brakes. and your merchants said 'they work'. but they don't. I wonder how this online information got fouled up.

 

[Volfy]

2) I think the only difference I can see compared to the stock set is that the winter set are 40mm offset and stock rims are 45mm. There's no way to adjust this, and I'll just need new wheels, correct?

I'm guessing this might be the problem. Stock wheel offset is 34mm front and 46.5mm rear. If those Winter wheels are square setup (same on all four) then it is quite likely the 40mm offset might have difficulty clearing the front Brembos. Still, a 3mm or 5mm spacer might be all that was necessary to provide enough clearance, which might be what others who have bought this wheel for their Stingers did. I am surprised your installer didn't try this.

Regardless, if they can offer an alloy rim that fits, you are better off paying a little more for those, rather than going with heavy and rust-prone steelies.

 

[Snicklefritz]

Regardless, if they can offer an alloy rim that fits, you are better off paying a little more for those, rather than going with heavy and rust-prone steelies.

and ugly out of the box. why ride on wheels that make you countdown for the return of spring?

 

[Kodiack]

Dont feel bad, my dealership had the same steelies for my 2019. I actually argued with them when I bought the winter tire package but they insisted they would fit. The day of delivery was January so I had them install the winters and low and behold they didnt fit....They gave me the top of the line fast rims for no extra cost to me because of the mix up...It just cost me an hour wait to switch them over. And they threw in the TPMS on my winters for free as well....Very happy with the way they handled it. But it was in the financing for the car so I dont think they wanted to do all the paper work over again.

 

[D.J.]

I'm guessing this might be the problem. Stock wheel offset is 34mm front and 46.5mm rear. If those Winter wheels are square setup (same on all four) then it is quite likely the 40mm offset might have difficulty clearing the front Brembos. Still, a 3mm or 5mm spacer might be all that was necessary to provide enough clearance, which might be what others who have bought this wheel for their Stingers did. I am surprised your installer didn't try this.

A 3mm or 5mm spacer would loose the hub centric centering...

 

[D.J.]

and ugly out of the box. why ride on wheels that make you countdown for the return of spring?

Cost + ductility (repairability) was my original reasoning with my steel wheels.

 

[Volfy]

A 3mm or 5mm spacer would loose the hub centric centering...

True... if you use a flat spacer.

However, this is what I use with Enkei TFR, and it maintains hub centricity. 2) 5mm Black Hubcentric Wheel Spacers | 5x114.3 5x4.5" | 67.1 Hub to 72.6 Wheel | eBay

 

[D.J.]

The DTD model 851401 are the only steel wheels that fit.

851401 Wheels

DTD 2009 - The real wheels specialist

dtd2009.ca

Funny thing is, they aren't even listed as compatible with the Stinger on that website, says fits G70 (WITHOUT BREMBO).

I bent them a few times, and bent them back as well... After 3 years, I switch to some used alloys (fast brand).

Post in thread 'Steel Winter wheels' Steel Winter wheels

 

[D.J.]

True... if you use a flat spacer.

However, this is what I use with Enkei TFR, and it maintains hub centricity. 2) 5mm Black Hubcentric Wheel Spacers | 5x114.3 5x4.5" | 67.1 Hub to 72.6 Wheel | eBay

That works if you have rims that have a larger than 67.1mm center bore.

Can't have a 5mm spacer for 67.1mm center boar rims, on a 67.1mm hub

 

[D.J.]

The 40 vs 45 mm offset wasn't so much the issue as that the steel wheel drum has far more ridges inside than an alloy wheel, which is usually a smooth-bore barrel inside the wheel. An unfortunate manufacturing quirk of steel wheels, and an added headache for online fitment recommendations that I hope CT fixes soon.

The steelies I used were offset 42.

I too tried a few variations from Canadian Tire, none of them cleared.

Only the DTD brand model 851401 would fit.

 

[Volfy]

That works if you have rims that have a larger than 67.1mm center bore.

Can't have a 5mm spacer for 67.1mm center boar rims, on a 67.1mm hub

That is yet another reason NOT to go the steelie route.

Most aftermarket alloy wheels have larger center bores so they can fit over the largest of OEM wheel hubs.

 

[Chrismal]

A 3mm flat spacer still leaves some hub sticking out to sit the bore on. I can take a pic later this week, but there is plenty of hub sticking out past the spacer, similar to the amount a hubcentric spacer provides. If 3mm works for you, you can still use 67.1 bore wheels.

 

[RMiddy]

Here I am, back again and 10X more frustrated than my original post.

We ordered: MACPEK X7 Steel wheels (new members can't post links)

Website says compatible. Website was wrong. CT installed the Pirelli Ice Zero Asymmetricos on them with TPMS, but the shop I actually trusted to install them on the vehicle said they don't clear the Brembos.

So we ordered: RSSW Quattro alloy wheels

Website says these will fit, too. They cost $200 more than the steel rims, but its an aesthetic upgrade and will DEFINITELY fit this time right? I mean, it says right on there that they're 18 inch rims and they won't have the ribbed barrel of the steel rims.

Forty minutes standing around in CT for them to find them after delivery and they say they'll call once the rubber and TPMS are switched to the new alloys. They call an hour later and tell me the tires won't fit. Because the wheels are 16 inches. I explain that I ordered 18 inch rims, and he argues with me, telling me that the part number on the order is for 16 inch rims. I have the online order, my paper purchase order, and the CT site page for that part number, and all three specify 18 inches. I rope in an online Canadian Tire rep who confirms the website, receipt, and order all say 18 inches; the problem is that the product actually only comes in 16 inches.

So now I've got to do a SECOND refund in-store, and purchase a third set of wheels that are more expensive than the first two. For my inconvenience, Canadian Tire has given me $40 in store credit. I'm tempted to spend it on trail mix and refund the entire order of tires and TPMS, too, because nobody in the entire CT ecosystem seems to know what they're doing.

 

[RedCal]

They are pretty clueless

 

[Snicklefritz]

$40 of trail mix, lol. your story is only funny to everybody reading it. not to you, obviously. unbelievable fubar. later, you may, possibly, laugh about it.

 

[Kodiack]

The only stuff I buy from CT is fluids and car cleaning products.....they given me so many wrong parts over the year I gave up on their parts a decade ago. They usually have kids working the parts desks and they have 0 knowledge of anything car related.
I have a local tire shop that I use for tires and rims, for parts I usually use my local bumper to bumper or rock auto if the shipping isnt crazy....I wish Rock auto had a canadian warehouse, since covid shipping costs have skyrocketed.

 

[Volfy]

Here I am, back again and 10X more frustrated than my original post.

We ordered: MACPEK X7 Steel wheels (new members can't post links)

Website says compatible. Website was wrong. CT installed the Pirelli Ice Zero Asymmetricos on them with TPMS, but the shop I actually trusted to install them on the vehicle said they don't clear the Brembos.

So we ordered: RSSW Quattro alloy wheels

Website says these will fit, too. They cost $200 more than the steel rims, but its an aesthetic upgrade and will DEFINITELY fit this time right? I mean, it says right on there that they're 18 inch rims and they won't have the ribbed barrel of the steel rims.

Forty minutes standing around in CT for them to find them after delivery and they say they'll call once the rubber and TPMS are switched to the new alloys. They call an hour later and tell me the tires won't fit. Because the wheels are 16 inches. I explain that I ordered 18 inch rims, and he argues with me, telling me that the part number on the order is for 16 inch rims. I have the online order, my paper purchase order, and the CT site page for that part number, and all three specify 18 inches. I rope in an online Canadian Tire rep who confirms the website, receipt, and order all say 18 inches; the problem is that the product actually only comes in 16 inches.

So now I've got to do a SECOND refund in-store, and purchase a third set of wheels that are more expensive than the first two. For my inconvenience, Canadian Tire has given me $40 in store credit. I'm tempted to spend it on trail mix and refund the entire order of tires and TPMS, too, because nobody in the entire CT ecosystem seems to know what they're doing.

"Website"? Is that CT's own online ordering?