Bad no brakes over night WTF

[D.J.]

The brake bleeding proceedure (attached) seems pretty straight forward!

 

[JimmyJazz]

Got it done in June. I have nothing but problems with my 21 stinger.
1 black chrome pieces starting peeling
2 pass door made contact with finder
3 front bumper paint peeled repaint 2 times
4 waste gates failed
5 rear pass and driver front door latches failed and replaced
6 radio screen whent out
7 abs light on brake light on traction controll light on today no brakes.
My car has 13654 miles been nothing but problems. I love the stinger but dislike kia for not standing by ther craftsmanship of the car. I'm convinced any car made in 2020 2021 is gona have quality control issues.

I'm working through some lemon law issues. Can't speak publicly about them though. PM me and I can give you some add'l info.

 

[stoopid]

I have looked in too lemon law the same issue has to happen 3 times so like for me my pass rear door latched failed 1 it has to fail 2 more time on that door not a different door for lemon law

Varies state to state, some take into account total issues not specific issues. This is covered under the 3rd option below (30+ days out of service by reason of repair). This is not specific to ONE instance of repair, but TOTAL repairs within early enough mileage. See if there's an attorney's office in your area that specializes in lemon law, usually the initial consult is free. This assumes your car is fairly new/low miles, or that the issues can be traced back as having started at low miles.

The Lemon Law Presumption​

Consumers often believe that there are a set number of repair attempts required for a vehicle to be considered a lemon. This error may come from a misunderstanding of the Tanner Consumer Protection Act amendment to the Song Beverly Consumer Warranty Act (the California state lemon law) which provides a legal presumption that a vehicle is a lemon if any of the following exist within the first 18 months / 18,000 odometer miles:

1. Two or more repair attempts for a safety defect;
2. Four or more repair attempts for a substantial non-safety defect; or
3. 30 or more total days out of service by reason of repair.

If any of these requirements are met, it is no longer the consumer’s responsibility to prove the car is lemon. Rather, it becomes the manufacturer’s responsibility to disprove that the automobile is a lemon. This distinction may seem subtle, because the manufacturer can still prove the vehicle is not a lemon. In practice, however, doing so is difficult, and manufacturers often opt to settle rather than fight a solidly presumed car lemon law case.

Presumption is a powerful tool in lemon law, but it has different procedural requirements than non-presumption lemon law, further reinforcing the value of consulting a lemon law attorney.

 

[BENSTUNGBYKIA]

I'm working through some lemon law issues. Can't speak publicly about them though. PM me and I can give you some add'l info.

Will do

 

[BENSTUNGBYKIA]

Update on the 2021 Kia stinger GT . After replacing the is the abs motor iactuator and computer for the braking system. The brake Pedal goes of floor. As a Monday 2 specialist ihave been working on the car trying to find out is where the brake fluid is leaking as of today still nowhere. But they have confirmed that the master cylinder and the brake booster have not failed on the car. But they have bleed the brakes 5 times with no visible external or l or internal leaks. What could it be

 

[D.J.]

Update on the 2021 Kia stinger GT . After replacing the is the abs motor iactuator and computer for the braking system. The brake Pedal goes of floor. As a Monday 2 specialist ihave been working on the car trying to find out is where the brake fluid is leaking as of today still nowhere. But they have confirmed that the master cylinder and the brake booster have not failed on the car. But they have bleed the brakes 5 times with no visible external or l or internal leaks. What could it be

Misdiagnosis.

If there is no air in the system, and it is not leaking externally - then it is leaking internally - like the master cylinder not building pressure.

Hydraulic brakes (even advanced ABS with adaptive cruise and automatic braking) - are not rocket science. Relatively simple.

Luckily though - not your concern as Kia will be repairing under warranty.
Have they set you up with a loaner/rental yet?

 

[GT Elite]

Update on the 2021 Kia stinger GT . After replacing the is the abs motor iactuator and computer for the braking system. The brake Pedal goes of floor. As a Monday 2 specialist ihave been working on the car trying to find out is where the brake fluid is leaking as of today still nowhere. But they have confirmed that the master cylinder and the brake booster have not failed on the car. But they have bleed the brakes 5 times with no visible external or l or internal leaks. What could it be

If it’s not the master cylinder or the brake booster, then I’m going to go with the ABS module.

 

[BENSTUNGBYKIA]

Misdiagnosis.

If there is no air in the system, and it is not leaking externally - then it is leaking internally - like the master cylinder not building pressure.

Hydraulic brakes (even advanced ABS with adaptive cruise and automatic braking) - are not rocket science. Relatively simple.

Luckily though - not your concern as Kia will be repairing under warranty.
Have they set you up with a loaner/rental yet?

Yeah luckily my car is still under warranty Tuesday they finally gave me a loner vehicle after I talked to the owner of the Mega dealership that I bought my car from. Talking to the Kia representative if working on my car my car they are completely dumbfounded everything you're saying is completely true that it's not rocket Science but the car's brakes have been bled 5 times and there's no signs of the fluid evacuating from any area it is not in the brake booster They currently got all the panels off underneath the car to see if that was retaining brake fluid going to a break out of a brake line that might have busted but as of now with everything removed from underneath the car still no sign. I went to look at the car in the shop in the shop and they had no hoses attached to the bleeder valves on the calipers so they got brake fluid all over my red brimbo brakes and they are faded as hell and they're like we're sorry about that and I said yep either you're Repenting these brakes or you're putting new ones on all 4 wheels.

 

[rpoffen]

If the fluid level in the reservoir doesn’t go down as you pump the brakes, then it isn’t an external leak. It is pretty straightforward in that respect.

 

[MerlintheMad]

Repenting these brakes

Good pun.

You'll lose your "Brembo" logo if they repaint them. Maybe they have a stencil or decal that they can put on?

 

[nhcowboy28]

Kia “stinger certified techs”:

 

[rpoffen]

Update on the car the abs Hydraulic Actuator motor went out on the car They got the part and bled the brakes as of right now the pedal keeps on going to the floor. With no signs of visible leaks outside of the car. As of right now they think that a seal in the master cylinder has blown out due to the actuator motor failing. Talk to the technician and they said it's the bleeding process on the car is a very strenuous process to be done correctly and apparently they have to have a scan tool computer hooked through the ABS module to bleed the brakes correctly. They are currently in contact with Kia In Kia stated that this has happened to several cars and are possibly going to issue a new Service bulletin.

The old school wisdom was always that on a high mileage car, bleeding the brakes by pumping the brake pedal while someone opens and closes the bleeder valves could damage the master cylinder since the piston is traveling much further in the cylinder than it normally would and there might be a small "lip" in the cylinder wall from the wear over the normal small amount of travel, and when the seals on the piston hit the lip, they could get nicked or damaged. Some manufactures discourage using this bleeding method in favor of pressurized or vacuum systems.
I doubt though, that this would be the problem on relatively low mileage cars.

 

[WRXtoStingerGT]

Lemon.
Law.

 

[StingertimeNC]

Damn, this sucks! Keep us posted on the solution.

 

[Paladin611]

Has the recall work for your brake parts been done? Failed parts in the master cylender or (hopefully) just a lose brake line or something... regardless I'm very sorry for your trouble.

Exactly. I was going to mention the recall to him. This would be recall 20V518000. Make sure it gets done. The defect causes the brakes impossible to depress, and can also cause a fire. I sense a possible correlation with Benstung’s issue.

 

[SoCalSHO]

Have your dealer techs take your car to a mechanic, they can probably fix it.

 

[BENSTUNGBYKIA]

Update stinger master cylinder was replaced brakes are OK now WTH. So I popped the hood look at this crap! Stains all to hell from brake fluid no clip retainer from pass side to driver side master cylinder cover broke and rubber seal just laying ther not attached.

 

[JSolo]

MC's fail... slaves fail too. Good thing there's no slave in a brake system.

Maybe the bore in the master wasn't smooth, causing eventual failure of the seals.

 

[MerlintheMad]

Update stinger master cylinder was replaced brakes are OK now WTH. So I popped the hood look at this crap! Stains all to hell from brake fluid no clip retainer from pass side to driver side master cylinder cover broke and rubber seal just laying ther not attached.

Hit 'em! Bad review, get loud: they have to clean it and reattach everything. Period. Then find a better dealer. (talk is easy; I don't know how I would handle this; but those are my sentiments)

 

[AusStinger]

I only just found this thread ( sorry ) but there are 2 things that come straight to mind with your car.
1. Incorrect brake fluid servicing. Either the fluid hasn't been replaced regularly and/or the method for changing the fluid was wrong ( should be pressure bled ).

2. When pads have been replaced, the pistons have been wound back into the caliper without the bleeder nipple being opened. This can result in the ABS module being damaged.

Now that you have a new master fitted, monitor the brake feel and if it starts degrading again, go after them for an ABS module and the CORRECT bleed procedure.

Oh and go over the car top and bottom if you can and document the state of the vehicle when it was returned to you. Then get them to fix it all PROPERLY.