New GTS at Ourisman KIA NOVA

[Ty Davis]

Something went "crunch" in the driveline. Lots of grinding. Not worth the $$ to fix it at this point - it's going to be minimum $1k to just open it up.

It's kinda funny - I lived in Canada for 25 years, and in 14 years of owning cars, they were all FWD. Then, moved to Silicon Valley, and I've only owned AWD I bought the Subaru because in 2005, it was one of only a few cars that had some space (it was our only car for a bit) and power (250 hp in 2005 was significant!), and I didn't mind AWD - and at that point, wasn't going to do another VW, no way no how. Since then, AWD's really grown on me for not spinning tires under power on bad roads. Even in the pouring rain I had trouble spinning tires, even with an upgraded turbo, 300+ hp, etc.. We do go to Tahoe (mountains) a few times, but usually in the summer. I'm just not interested in spinning tires / drifting at all..

Sorry to hear about the driveline failure.
Should you decide to fix it, you can source cheap used OEM parts at car-parts. com
Rather than opening the damaged piece, it could be more cost effective to just replace it with a used piece.
But that’s providing that you know what part failed... transfer case, center diff, rear diff etc...

You are right about AWD traction... that can’t be beat, especially with high hp.

 

[RUFFSTUFF]

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Do you still prefer the looks of our GT2 shifter to that of the GT1 shifter modified with the Veloster N knob like I pictured in my original post?

No, I like the Veloster N knob better than the others. IMO, the GT1 shifter isn't even in the race...

 

[Ty Davis]

No, I like the Veloster N knob better than the others. IMO, the GT1 shifter isn't even in the race...

I don’t know what Kia was thinking when they implemented the GT1 shifter. It’s so old and retro looking. Totally out of place in the Stingers modern environment.

 

[MerlintheMad]

I don’t know what Kia was thinking when they implemented the GT1 shifter. It’s so old and retro looking. Totally out of place in the Stingers modern environment.

You're not allowing for the "retro" approach to the Stinger vis-à-vis 70s or 80s Maserati cues. "T" shifter was all over the place back then. Along with those "airplane" air vents in the dash and the matching pair in the rear cabin: retro. Some have complained that they don't like the round "turbine" vents, that they look out of place: but they, too, are not allowing for the deliberate design choices to harken back to earlier (classic) Gran Turismo design.

I like the "T" shifter, simply because it's what comes with the car as a total package. It isn't ugly or out of place, imho. And my opinion is the only one that counts when it comes to my car's shifter.

 

[Ty Davis]

You're not allowing for the "retro" approach to the Stinger vis-à-vis 70s or 80s Maserati cues. "T" shifter was all over the place back then. Along with those "airplane" air vents in the dash and the matching pair in the rear cabin: retro. Some have complained that they don't like the round "turbine" vents, that they look out of place: but they, too, are not allowing for the deliberate design choices to harken back to earlier (classic) Gran Turismo design.

I like the "T" shifter, simply because it's what comes with the car as a total package. It isn't ugly or out of place, imho. And my opinion is the only one that counts when it comes to my car's shifter.

I think you have a better frame of reference than I do. I don’t remember the Maseratis of the 70 to 80’s, as I was so young then. I’ll have to google a few pics. The closest thing I can associate it with is the Ford Mustang that sports a similar auto shifter.

Whilst the look of the GT1 auto shifter isn’t quite my cup of tea, I sure do wish that my GT2 had the dedicated manual shift gate that the GT1 does. I’ve also noticed that the GT1 shifter mechanism feels worlds better than the GT2 unit when actually moving through the shift gates.

I agree though, it’s all personal preference. For the record, I’m not to enthused by the GT2 shifter either, but it’s better than most of the Electronic type.

Would you not prefer Kia had used the mechanical design depicted in the pictures above???
I think it’s better than the GT1 and GT2 shifters...

 

[MerlintheMad]

I think you have a better frame of reference than I do. I don’t remember the Maseratis of the 70 to 80’s, as I was so young then.

Only vaguely. Kia reminded me in the Stinger promo book; and their approach to the concept of "Gran Turismo" impressed me. I've never been a car guy, much, till now.

But I do have empirical memory of "T" shifters.

Would you not prefer Kia had used the mechanical design depicted in the pictures above???
I think it’s better than the GT1 and GT2 shifters...

I wouldn't care either way. If my GT1 came with an entirely different shifter I'd be okay with that. That one looks pretty cool.

 

[Ty Davis]

Only vaguely. Kia reminded me in the Stinger promo book; and their approach to the concept of "Gran Turismo" impressed me. I've never been a car guy, much, till now.

But I do have empirical memory of "T" shifters.


I wouldn't care either way. If my GT1 came with an entirely different shifter I'd be okay with that. That one looks pretty cool.

I did end up googling the Maserati interiors from the 70’s and 80’s.
You are correct, noticing that the Stinger GT1 shifter emparts a similar vibe.

 

[GenesisG70]

LOL Kia invested tens of millions in developing the Stinger if not hundreds of millions the car is few years old and you guys wanna mature M product already? Remember BMW was founded in early 1900s. Give them time they will bring a better Stinger next generation, the product is already amazing for what it is, I am very happy and have no regrets of buying this amazing Sports Granturismo which is not intended to be a small nimble sharp as scalpel sports car.

 

[Kamauxx]

guys wanna mature M product already? Remember BMW was founded in early 1900s. Give them time they will bring a better Stinger next generation

You keep repeating this line where you compare the Stinger's age to the age of BMW and Audi. You do realize Kia isn't a new company and the Stinger isn't the first vehicle they produced, right? Kia is a 75 year old company...they aren't new.

They are more than capable of making vehicles with nicer/more modern interiors than the Stinger. They've been doing so for years now. The Optima SXLs, Cadenzas, K900s, Sorrento SXLs, and Tellurides all sport interiors that are more modern and nicer looking than the Stinger's.

I suppose it can be debated whether or not Kia purposely made the Stinger's interior look dated when they designed the car (to me it looks like they haphazardly copied and mixed the interiors from a 2015 C-Class and a 2016 A4) but one thing we shouldn't do is assume it looks the way it does because Kia isn't capable of better.

 

[RUFFSTUFF]

They are more than capable of making vehicles with nicer/more modern interiors than the Stinger. They've been doing so for years now. The Optima SXLs, Cadenzas, K900s, Sorrento SXLs, and Tellurides all sport interiors that are more modern and nicer looking than the Stinger's.

PeoPle Who PosT DruNK ArE FunNy.

 

[Kamauxx]

PeoPle Who PosT DruNK ArE FunNy.

I guess it all comes down to personal opinions.

In my personal opinion Kia is more than capable of designing beautiful interiors.

Optima



Telluride



K900



Cadenza

 

[MerlintheMad]

I guess it all comes down to personal opinions.

In my personal opinion Kia is more than capable of designing beautiful interiors.

Optima

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Telluride

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K900

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Cadenza

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None of those are better looking than the Stinger. Imho. It turns into a discussion of what different people find better aesthetically.

 

[Ty Davis]

LOL Kia invested tens of millions in developing the Stinger if not hundreds of millions the car is few years old and you guys wanna mature M product already? Remember BMW was founded in early 1900s. Give them time they will bring a better Stinger next generation, the product is already amazing for what it is, I am very happy and have no regrets of buying this amazing Sports Granturismo which is not intended to be a small nimble sharp as scalpel sports car.

But that’s the thing... the Stinger is relatively nimble. It drives much “smaller” than its weight and size would suggest. It’s grippy and suitably sharp. I don’t expect BMW M car driving dynamics, but I find it unacceptable that in stock form the GT2 is bouncier and floatier than a Optima, Camry, Accord, or Malibu.

Hyundai Kia knows how to design a car that doesn’t exhibit excess bounce over bumps, dips, and pavement breaks. I drove a Santa Fe Sport a couple years back and it handled the road quite flatly, as did the Optima loaner car I got at my last service.

There Stinger is a great car, but it does have some glaring faults. All of these owners reporting the back end twitching and skittering around during hard cornering on less than smooth pavement is a perfect example, though I’ve never experienced this on my Stinger. What I did notice is far too much vertical up and down movement of the front and rear suspensions regardless of mode setting.

Hyundai/Kias problem is not lack of know how, expertise, or heritage. The problem lies within some of the choices and/or calibrations they have chosen. I for one love to hear people voice both their pleasure and complaint of this vehicle. Kia needs our feedback (positive/negative) to know what to improve next go around.

 

[Ty Davis]

P.S.
I actually have zero complaints with the Stingers interior, except we need the upgraded infotainment from the Telluride and Soul. That system we have now is insufficient, especially given this cars price point.

On a side note, I just watched a YouTube video detailing the Telluride infotainment system and was slightly disappointed to find that it mostly looks just like ours but displayed across a larger screen. Kia needs a ground up revamp of the infotainment system.

 

[RUFFSTUFF]

P.S.
I actually have zero complaints with the Stingers interior, except we need the upgraded infotainment from the Telluride and Soul. That system we have now is insufficient, especially given this cars price point.

On a side note, I just watched a YouTube video detailing the Telluride infotainment system and was slightly disappointed to find that it mostly looks just like ours but displayed across a larger screen. Kia needs a ground up revamp of the infotainment system.

+1 I don't like how much unused space is on the Stinger display.

 

[Kamauxx]

On a side note, I just watched a YouTube video detailing the Telluride infotainment system and was slightly disappointed to find that it mostly looks just like ours but displayed across a larger screen. Kia needs a ground up revamp of the infotainment system.

It's the same system that has been used in the current gen Optimas too. They started selling in 2015 as 2016 model years so we can assume Kia has been using the same infotainment since at least 2014 when those Optimas were designed and built. I'd wager the system has been around on other Hyundai/Kia models since before the 16 Optima.

Someone did some digging and found our infotainment is running Android KitKat, which was released in 2013. It's definitely time for an upgrade.

 

[LegacyGTv2.0]

Rather than bash Kia, who has better infotainment system? Kia seems to have one of the best implementations with a good combination of physical buttons and touchscreen.

 

[Doel]

And... I disagree. To each his own. I think the GT2 control is better. If I'm manually shifting I'm in Sport mode anyway and I don't need a dedicated shift gate.

while in manual gate with the cable shifter, the car doesn't shift back into drive every time you stop. That alone makes me feel cable>electronic.

Rather than bash Kia, who has better infotainment system? Kia seems to have one of the best implementations with a good combination of physical buttons and touchscreen.

At the Kia price point? No one. It's far better than anything from any US domestic and beats most of the Asian rivals. Honda, Nissan, Infiniti, Lexus, Toyota, it's better than all of those IMO.

 

[RUFFSTUFF]

while in manual gate with the cable shifter, the car doesn't shift back into drive every time you stop. That alone makes me feel cable>electronic.

Maybe I'm looking at this wrong... I see this only as an issue (or benefit) if you want to come to a stop in 2nd gear, and then take off from 2nd gear without having to do ANYTHING... Last time I checked, D at a stop is 1st gear...

 

[Kamauxx]

At the Kia price point? No one. It's far better than anything from any US domestic and beats most of the Asian rivals. Honda, Nissan, Infiniti, Lexus, Toyota, it's better than all of those IMO.

Which price point are we referencing? The infotainment system in $53k GT2s is the same as the one in $23k Fortes and Souls.

As for who has one that is better, how do we quantify that? What does "better" entail? Does it have to be better compared to the identical infotainment on a mid $20k Forte or better than what's found in a $53k Stinger?

I'd prefer the infotainment system from a current gen A4. It costs $10-15k less than a Stinger but $15-20k more than a Forte or Soul. Does that make it better or worse?