3.3TT Mishimoto's Stinger GT Intercooler Kit R&D Thread

[xot1]

I think it will be more expensive.(I wish not!)
This is the most complicated design among their products so far.

 

[Mishimoto]

Hey Guys,

Thanks again for your patience! I know this had been a long time coming but we're working through this as quickly as we can!

Agreed with what @xot1 said above - they flowbenched the new Y-pipe and improved the overall piping bends to build upon the increase in flow. They also designed a really good core to prevent pressure drop. Considering all the r&d associated with airflow, I'm not surprised to see an increase in power in the top end. If you look closely at the Dyno you can see the steady increase in power, getting larger and larger as the RPM goes up. All of these results appear to be primarily based on the improved flow characteristics of the overhauled charge piping/system.

Couldn't have said it better myself. The benefits to improving the flow and reducing heat soak is a bump in power. If you go a couple pages back, you might remember that we went over that our primary objectives for intercoolers/kits are to increase the flow and reduce heat soak, not necessarily to gain the most power, but to make the vehicle a solid platform for better performance down the line

Was this test on stock boost levels? 8 hp at 14 psi might double at 20 psi?

So we actually ended up running these tests on both a stock and a piggyback tune, so I'll have some comparative numbers coming for you soon. That run highlighted in the video was with the stage 1 map, so we saw the 8hp gain in addition to the power gained by the tune.

Mishi,
Even a cost window of several hundred would be helpful. Something like, Pre-sale: $600-800, regular production: $900-1,100.

Help out your aspiring customers who've been waiting a very long time!

I’m hoping the pre-sale will be a couple hundred dollars cheaper than the f-150 ecoboost kit. It sells for $1352.95.

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Fair enough! As it stands, we are looking a presale price that in the same sort of ballpark as the product listed above, but a little cheaper.

-Nick

 

[ZyroXZ2]

So we actually ended up running these tests on both a stock and a piggyback tune, so I'll have some comparative numbers coming for you soon. That run highlighted in the video was with the stage 1 map, so we saw the 8hp gain in addition to the power gained by the tune.
-Nick

Hmmm, so 8whp gain on a stage 1 tune from...?

I'm actually more interested in IATs being logged, to be honest. I do like that it's not a massive IC, so I'm hoping it hits the balance of size/weight, and performance. I'm still not a fan of it being a full kit, though, and the pricing is starting to look pretty high considering most of that pricing is paying for the R&D, lol

 

[Socalstinga]

Hmmm, so 8whp gain on a stage 1 tune from...?

I'm actually more interested in IATs being logged, to be honest. I do like that it's not a massive IC, so I'm hoping it hits the balance of size/weight, and performance. I'm still not a fan of it being a full kit, though, and the pricing is starting to look pretty high considering most of that pricing is paying for the R&D, lol

Isn't all business and pricing taking into account cost to make the product from start to finish? I think pricing here is a function of how many pieces this thing has. at $1200 (guessing at a pre-sale price), I think that's probably the price point it should be at considering the multiple pieces. I think I would be happy with the intercooler and the charge pipe, although I do like the idea behind the whole Y pipe that they changed. Just don't know if it's really something I would need for my souped up dad mobile, but would be good for other applications for the true go fast builds...

 

[ZyroXZ2]

Isn't all business and pricing taking into account cost to make the product from start to finish? I think pricing here is a function of how many pieces this thing has. at $1200 (guessing at a pre-sale price), I think that's probably the price point it should be at considering the multiple pieces. I think I would be happy with the intercooler and the charge pipe, although I do like the idea behind the whole Y pipe that they changed. Just don't know if it's really something I would need for my souped up dad mobile, but would be good for other applications for the true go fast builds...

You misunderstand my statement: it's not about not having to pay for the R&D, it's that a lot of the R&D went into components I'm not entirely interested in. Example: if they only did R&D on purely the IC at the bottom, they would have likely released a product by now and cheaper, too. But since they're doing R&D on a full turbo-to-TB kit, they've had to do a lot more R&D for parts I wish I didn't have to buy, thus bringing the whole price up. I'd be happy with just the IC since it's slightly bigger and likely more efficiently designed on the inside...

 

[WildBill]

You misunderstand my statement: it's not about not having to pay for the R&D, it's that a lot of the R&D went into components I'm not entirely interested in. Example: if they only did R&D on purely the IC at the bottom, they would have likely released a product by now and cheaper, too. But since they're doing R&D on a full turbo-to-TB kit, they've had to do a lot more R&D for parts I wish I didn't have to buy, thus bringing the whole price up. I'd be happy with just the IC since it's slightly bigger and likely more efficiently designed on the inside...

I could see people wanting just the IC to save some $ but I think Mishi is standing out in the crowd due to the extra work they are doing to create this entire package. There are already several drop in replacements for just the IC. So it would be more difficult for their product to stand out if they made the same thing as the other guys and therefore had similar performance.

Obviously it is all in what you want and where you want to take the car in the future.

 

[ZyroXZ2]

I could see people wanting just the IC to save some $ but I think Mishi is standing out in the crowd due to the extra work they are doing to create this entire package. There are already several drop in replacements for just the IC. So it would be more difficult for their product to stand out if they made the same thing as the other guys and therefore had similar performance.

Obviously it is all in what you want and where you want to take the car in the future.

That's the thing, though: there ISN'T a good drop-in that provides a moderate boost in IC performance. It's either bigass ICs, or ones that haven't really proven to do any better than the stock one, or one that's off-center and bothers the semi-OCD in me, lol

The Mishi looks like the Stage 1.5 that I would want: better performing than stock, but not some 1000WHP-ready setup (and according to their initial tests, it does fall within this range). It's just kitted out beyond what I think a Stage 1.5 would need, unfortunately, lol

EDIT: Clarity.

 

[Socalstinga]

That's the thing, though: there ISN'T a good drop-in that provides a moderate boost in IC performance. It's either bigass ICs, or ones that haven't really proven to do any better than the stock one, or one that's off-center and bothers the semi-OCD in me, lol

The Mishi looks like the Stage 1.5 that I would want: better performing than stock, but not some 1000WHP-ready setup (and according to their initial tests, it does fall within this range). It just goes beyond more than I think a Stage 1.5 would need, unfortunately, lol

I agree, I was hoping that there would be a 2 package type of offering- 1. IC/charge pipe 2. The whole package they’ve been showing. I’m really into the IC bc of the design features and size. I really only need the IC/charge pipe (which some have said the oem charge pipe is sufficient if you’re not building towards big power numbers).

 

[Hyperjetta]

So we actually ended up running these tests on both a stock and a piggyback tune, so I'll have some comparative numbers coming for you soon. That run highlighted in the video was with the stage 1 map, so we saw the 8hp gain in addition to the power gained by the tune.

Stage 1 map with only 307 whp? Am I missing something?

 

[General_Vodka]

I wonder if the kit will have a meth port. Also another idea, can we get just the IC without all the pipes?

 

[Toddasaurus]

I wonder if the kit will have a meth port. Also another idea, can we get just the IC without all the pipes?

Taken from Mishimoto's website....

We kept with the aluminum theme for our piping but upped the piping diameter on both the hot and cold sides to 3”, giving the Stinger’s intercooling system much more room to breathe. That extra half-inch comes in handy when turning up the boost either with a tune, bigger turbos, or a combination of the two. We also incorporated a methanol injection bung on our cold-side pipe for those looking to drop a few more degrees from the intake temperatures.

 

[xot1]

Why don't you guys trust their R&D rather than focus on the total price? They wouldn't have gone through the trouble of designing the merge pipe if it wasn't worth it.

 

[ZyroXZ2]

Why don't you guys trust their R&D rather than focus on the total price? They wouldn't have gone through the trouble of designing the merge pipe if it wasn't worth it.

Eh? The reason a ton of us even bought the Stinger was the value-per-dollar...

 

[xot1]

What tells you that it is not good value per dollar? I am pretty convinced that it will be. It is just good value.

 

[Toddasaurus]

As far as I can see, there are at least 2 other intercooler kits that come with charge piping and the prices seem comparable.

Maintec: $1,100
-does not improve the OEM merge pipe, does include all other hot and cold charge piping
Jonny Tig: $1,895+shipping
-improved merge, larger cold sided charge piping, keeps stock hot sided piping (other than the merge) which is probably a good thing (ie keeping the smaller diameter).


I'd argue that Mishi's kit is better engineered than the Maintec kit. I really like the JT kit's charge piping changes with the new merge, but I hate their intercooler, it's way too tall and the end tanks are a little too wide (much like almost all aftermarket IC's we see here). Anyway, considering all of this, I think Mishi's kit is priced with good value. Though I can understand only wanting the intercooler without the charge piping.

 

[zbc1969]

As far as I can see, there are at least 2 other intercooler kits that come with charge piping and the prices seem comparable.

Maintec: $1,100
-does not improve the OEM merge pipe, does include all other hot and cold charge piping
Jonny Tig: $1,895+shipping
-improved merge, larger cold sided charge piping, keeps stock hot sided piping (other than the merge) which is probably a good thing (ie keeping the smaller diameter).


I'd argue that Mishi's kit is better engineered than the Maintec kit. I really like the JT kit's charge piping changes with the new merge, but I hate their intercooler, it's way too tall and the end tanks are a little too wide (much like almost all aftermarket IC's we see here). Anyway, considering all of this, I think Mishi's kit is priced with good value. Though I can understand only wanting the intercooler without the charge piping.

I agree. ~$1200 is right where I was expecting with everything they’re changing

 

[General_Vodka]

Can someone give me a breakdown of all the IC options? I heard there was some fitment issues with one. Was that the off centered one? This Mish kit seems pretty good, I will probably hold off as I am spending a lot of money on my rebuild lol.

 

[cncBilly]

You misunderstand my statement: it's not about not having to pay for the R&D, it's that a lot of the R&D went into components I'm not entirely interested in. Example: if they only did R&D on purely the IC at the bottom, they would have likely released a product by now and cheaper, too. But since they're doing R&D on a full turbo-to-TB kit, they've had to do a lot more R&D for parts I wish I didn't have to buy, thus bringing the whole price up. I'd be happy with just the IC since it's slightly bigger and likely more efficiently designed on the inside...

Sounds like you are looking for what BMS just released.

 

[cncBilly]

I could see people wanting just the IC to save some $ but I think Mishi is standing out in the crowd due to the extra work they are doing to create this entire package. There are already several drop in replacements for just the IC. So it would be more difficult for their product to stand out if they made the same thing as the other guys and therefore had similar performance.

Obviously it is all in what you want and where you want to take the car in the future.

Not to mention what you’re willing to pay.

 

[Hally83]

The agency power got good gains from Vivid Racings dynos. Got 18+whp from it. Tork is also about to release the heat map results with agency power vs stock too