Michelin Pilot Sport 4 Issues

[Fl stingergt]

Yep I figure every year new backs and on third year get all four tires done.

 

[MerlintheMad]

At over 9K miles, my staggered rears are c. half gone. I consider myself a conservative driver, with bursts or episodes of "spirited" driving. I've never spun my tires, and I don't know how you would do that with AWD anyway.

 

[Mr Skillet]

How aggressive are you guys with the rear, I know it's really easy to break the rears loose...and if you hoon it around, 10k miles is pretty good life span. Otherwise, have you had the rear toe spec checked? Factory is 0.1 degrees toe in.

 

[MerlintheMad]

How aggressive are you guys with the rear, I know it's really easy to break the rears loose...and if you hoon it around, 10k miles is pretty good life span. Otherwise, have you had the rear toe spec checked? Factory is 0.1 degrees toe in.

Real easy on an AWD? Not for this boy. I have stomped on it pretty hard and never heard so much as a "chirp" out of any tire. RWD, I wouldn't know about.

 

[Fl stingergt]

Toe is fine. Car is. Rwd add 70 horse power to car they brake loose anytime I hit it which is whenever I drive it.when I buy car brand new tire grip great no spin.you can do just a few things And car gets more exciting. I’m just letting you guys know about tire where. U drive grandma style they might last 20 25 thousand miles. You have fun in car a lot they are toast quick. I’m not blaming tires. They are great for limited amount of time. That’s all I’m saying.

 

[MerlintheMad]

"GrandPa style", heheh! My wife has a heavier lead foot than I do. She was driving veeery conservatively when I let her behind the wheel and took a back seat this week. But when I am following her somewhere (because we need to go our separate ways after the "do", for instance a wedding reception), in her 2006 Ford Fusion four banger, she leaves me in the dust. Not capability, of course, just inclination. So she would burn through tires a lot faster than this "grandpa driver".

We've been talking non seriously about another car, because truth is, although she says "waaay down on the priority list", I know how instantly a new car can move to the top of the priority list. And we already have at least two couples on this forum who have their own Stingers!

 

[Fl stingergt]

Ya all us older guys and are stingers.

 

[Mr Skillet]

Real easy on an AWD? Not for this boy. I have stomped on it pretty hard and never heard so much as a "chirp" out of any tire. RWD, I wouldn't know about.

I definetly meant rwd... How is the awd reaction? If you launch it hard or put the pedal down in a corner, does the rear spin a bit before power is transfered fwd?

 

[Mr Skillet]

Toe is fine. Car is. Rwd add 70 horse power to car they brake loose anytime I hit it which is whenever I drive it.when I buy car brand new tire grip great no spin.you can do just a few things And car gets more exciting. I’m just letting you guys know about tire where. U drive grandma style they might last 20 25 thousand miles. You have fun in car a lot they are toast quick. I’m not blaming tires. They are great for limited amount of time. That’s all I’m saying.

Definetly more aggressive tires on the market in terms of grip. Stickier tire might even allow for longer wear if you're not lighting up the rears, but there's definetly something to be said for fun and tire spin

 

[Fl stingergt]

Especially When there spinning putting on some more expensive cars and it’s a Kia. That’s the fun of this car ITS A FRICKEN KIA!!

 

[MerlintheMad]

I definetly meant rwd... How is the awd reaction? If you launch it hard or put the pedal down in a corner, does the rear spin a bit before power is transfered fwd?

Not a bit. Power is instantaneous to all four wheels. I understand that the distribution in Sport is 80% rear, 20% front. I've read some driver reports that say they got the back end to break loose a little bit with noise. But I haven't felt the first inklings of such behavior out of my AWD. I've only tried LC on one occasion, three times. The first time I botched it royally by forgetting that I was in manual gate, so first gear went all the way to red line and then the car took over, thank you dear God! (and Kia, of course) The second and third times I had it in automatic and it accelerated impressively, but I still felt not in control, putting feet on both pedals, no matter that it is designed that way (I've never done any LC before the Stinger). The last three times I just used auto hold and mashed the pedal but not too quickly. That seemed to give me my best results. Since then, I've tried that method a handful of times and I'm liking it more and more. I may never use LC again, other than experimentally to be sure that I am getting the swiftest acceleration without it.

 

[Mr Skillet]

I wonder if you can hold the ebrake and mash the throttle for a clean launch. Do you have a electric ebrake or a manual one?

 

[MerlintheMad]

I wonder if you can hold the ebrake and mash the throttle for a clean launch. Do you have a electric ebrake or a manual one?

Electric. But why occupy a hand when auto hold does the electric brake hold for you? I guess there is some advantage to raising the RPMs before releasing the brake; but if so just use the LC. Why stress other systems to try and achieve what LC is designed to do? In my case (noob ignorance), it seems that the AWD version of this car accelerates best when already moving. So a smooth push from auto hold at the very start, i.e. an unimpressive initial movement forward, followed by full thrust in Sport mode. Whether automatic or paddle shifters, your choice. One is more fun. The former is probably more efficient in 99 out of 100 drivers (there has to be the one talented driver whose shifting is actually better than the machine's; of course, going in, I am hoping that he's me!).

 

[Mr Skillet]

Electric. But why occupy a hand when auto hold does the electric brake hold for you? I guess there is some advantage to raising the RPMs before releasing the brake; but if so just use the LC. Why stress other systems to try and achieve what LC is designed to do? In my case (noob ignorance), it seems that the AWD version of this car accelerates best when already moving. So a smooth push from auto hold at the very start, i.e. an unimpressive initial movement forward, followed by full thrust in Sport mode. Whether automatic or paddle shifters, your choice. One is more fun. The former is probably more efficient in 99 out of 100 drivers (there has to be the one talented driver whose shifting is actually better than the machine's; of course, going in, I am hoping that he's me!).

I figure the ability to raise rpm's would help. Also, I know LC has lower torque limits in 1st, maybe 2nd gear. Maybe you can test if the same torque limits would apply without engaging LC. 100k drive train warranty, shouldn't have to worry about stressing any of the components

 

[MerlintheMad]

I won't do it: hold the brake and press the gas while not in LC. Likewise, I won't hold the parking brake "on" while pushing the gas. I'm no drag racer. If the car accelerates faster to 60 MPH in LC or by just holding the car till I'm ready using auto hold is one question: the other questions are abuse of the car, which go against my aesthetics. And that, as "they" say, is that.

 

[Fl stingergt]

Guys just use the launch control. Your going to do more harm to transmission power braking it. That’s what lc is designed for. 2100 rpm launch.

 

[MerlintheMad]

Guys just use the launch control. Your going to do more harm to transmission power braking it. That’s what lc is designed for. 2100 rpm launch.

That's what I am saying. I am even hesitant to use LC because of the caveat in the manual: "Constant use of Launch Control can put enormous stress on transmission, engine, and drive shafts and can result in vehicle damage." No definition of "constant use". Is that a frequency thing? Or is that an "often" thing? It makes me nervous. Just pushing down the accelerator while manually shifting, after holding the car stationary with the auto hold, seems like enough "stress" on the car.

 

[Fl stingergt]

Ya but if it brakes using lc it will be covered under warranty. It has lots of sensors on it. If to hot or cold it will not work. The trans in these cars can handle close to 800 hp.

 

[Fl stingergt]

And you are right has far has axels and driveshaft and other weak points. But these cars are a little far away in horse power to hurt them. You know how many cars have lc now. Almost anything sporty has it

 

[MerlintheMad]

Ya but if it brakes using lc it will be covered under warranty. It has lots of sensors on it. If to hot or cold it will not work. The trans in these cars can handle close to 800 hp.

That's good to remember. But I hate breaking things. And the time waiting while my car gets repaired would drive me nuts. I'd rather just go fast safely and stay out of the shop, thanks.