matrix 4 - resurrections thoughts

[JSolo]

Who's seen it, thoughts?

My opinion, some things are better left dead. I've seen all 3. Thought the first was just amazing. Part 2 and 3 didn't make much sense. Part 4... I want my 2 1/2 hours back.

 

[ghodge]

I feel pretty much the same about the new movie. Plus it had a made for TV feel to it as well.

 

[Ohiocruiser]

I loved first one. Didn't care much for 2nd and 3rd. Not even planning to see 4th one. I find myself very anti-Hollywood these days.

 

[RM7]

Who's seen it, thoughts?

My opinion, some things are better left dead. I've seen all 3. Thought the first was just amazing. Part 2 and 3 didn't make much sense. Part 4... I want my 2 1/2 hours back.

Shit went sideways after the first matrix. If you watch the end, the next two movies is NOT what was planned, they seemed to be un-related to the first movie and moved in a totally different direction...which is one of my big beefs with a lot of stuff like this, it's just handed off to another producer and they get to come up with whatever with no real effort made into continuity and artistic storytelling, just special effects in your face until you can't take it anymore. I enjoyed the later matrix movies...but I did not enjoy that they moved in a totally different direction then was originally thrown at us.

 

[JSolo]

Saw "Don't Look Up" tonight. Much much better than matrix crap.

 

[AwesumPurson]

I'm actually quite the closet fan and believe I appreciate the concepts of the first three at a fairly deep level. All 3 basically tell a story of an awaking of man, transcending your ego (Smith) and attachments (Trinity) and exiting the wheel of samsara to the next level. A Buddha, Atman or Christ story. They do not get nearly the credit they are due for the beautiful complex story they have woven largely based on Eastern viewpoints of our existence in a way attractive to the West.

I have seen the 4th now and I am still digesting it. There is much I do like about it and big pieces I haven't figured out just yet. I won't be able to know how I feel about until I see it another time or two to see whether it is at the same level I hold the first three.

If I have any initial complaints maybe it was the seemingly awkward ending and I don't think the bullet time effect was well executed.

 

[RM7]

I'm actually quite the closet fan and believe I appreciate the concepts of the first three at a fairly deep level. All 3 basically tell a story of an awaking of man, transcending your ego (Smith) and attachments (Trinity) and exiting the wheel of samsara to the next level. A Buddha, Atman or Christ story. They do not get nearly the credit they are due for the beautiful complex story they have woven largely based on Eastern viewpoints of our existence in a way attractive to the West.

I have seen the 4th now and I am still digesting it. There is much I do like about it and big pieces I haven't figured out just yet. I won't be able to know how I feel about until I see it another time or two to see whether it is at the same level I hold the first three.

If I have any initial complaints maybe it was the seemingly awkward ending and I don't think the bullet time effect was well executed.

At the end of the first movie, Neo was going to show all the people that were caught in the matrix that it wasn't real, that he was coming for the computers/machines, and all that. It never happened, it was abandoned. The plot changed in the 2nd and 3rd movies to being about saving Zion, a "truce" between the machines and Zion humans and Neo saving the machines and humans from Smith. To me, it took a significant turn after the first movie and didn't tie back in with it.

 

[JSolo]

Maybe there is a deeper meaning to the matrix movies. Unfortunately, most (self included) lack the attention span needed to understand it. At this point, I can barely remember the first one, let alone part 2 & 3 given they made so little sense at the time.

Got Dark City in the queue tonight. I can't recall if i've seen it before. Possibly. Read there's lots of parallels to the matrix. We'll see.

 

[AwesumPurson]

I mean that is really the essence of the problem for Neo after the first movie. People can't just be awakened, even of you directly show them a truth. Awakening is a personal journey and comes to each of us when we are ready. You can guide people with knowledge of your journey and tools you found useful but those tools may not work with them. That's more like explaining why a joke is funny. When you have a revelation it has to rush into you instantaneously like getting a joke does. But if you miss the joke and someone explains it to you afterwards why they found it funny, it is not the same.

I completely agree that the tone at the end of the first movie was of raw upheaval and forceful rebellion. It's likely that that is what Neo hoped for at that point of enlightenment. But it doesn't happen that way. Look how long it took for Jesus's journey to have a large scale effect on the counsciousness of many. And look at what those in power did to the movement started by the likes of Timothy Leary and Ram Dass who promised (or threatened depending on where you were standing) mass awakenings in the 60s.

Yet in the end I think Neo does come through on his promise. He brings enlightenment to the people of the Matrix, at least those that find it and embrace it. Neo is the 6th incarnation of Vishnu, Parashurama the warrior. He meets the 7th, Ramachandra, in the Train station, Mobil Ave ( Mobil is an anagram for limbo). How he is to transcend again to be the 7th is through Sati (enlightenment).

The little girl Sati is Neo's, or perhaps better put as the result of Neo's journey, gift to the Matrix of enlightenment for those who are ready and want it. Thus fulfilling the promise he made over the phone at the end of the first movie.

But I get it guys, I really do. I was originally disappointed because 2-3 did not initially meet my expectations. But it left me intrigued to find out why. It took me years of exploring to get familiar with at least a degree of the philosophical depth of this story and find an appreciation on that level.

I'm not really writing any of this in an effort to change your opinions which are as valid as mine, more I guess to just give a sense of mine to anyone interested. That they have crafted a rabbit hole if you want to go exploring.

 

[JSolo]

Dark city was something else. Still trying to wrap my head around it.

All I can say is those that come up with this must be on some really good drugs or other hallucinogens.

 

[AwesumPurson]

I will check it out.

I just started watching Arcane on Netflix. I'm hooked. Give 3 episodes a try as it takes that long to fully set things up.

Not really a reality bender but it has a fantastic feel that makes for a good show.

 

[RM7]

Dark city was something else. Still trying to wrap my head around it.

All I can say is those that come up with this must be on some really good drugs or other hallucinogens.

It's a good movie.

This place is dark and gray
Uneasy, I feel torn apart
My mind is clouded and blurred
This cry is interchanging
Sacrifice memories past
Unaware of what I've become
Constant changes are imploring me
Search my mind, look for the answers
Finding nothing but this fear in me
Immersing myself in his feeling
Realizing I am not alone
They are watching people changing
Unconsciously twisting memory
Gathering our human feeling
Experimenting, to understand the human soul
Endangered they'll fade away
The wont deceive me
They'll never take my soul away
Their life from fades
Fill our heads with false identity
Synchronizing our confusion
Using the dead for their own need
Parasitic infestation
Imprisonment in celestial space
Unlocking the human life force
Escaping their grasp now we are free
Their objective failed unknowing
Experimenting, to understand the human soul
Endangered they'll fade away
The wont deceive me
They'll never take my soul away
Their life from fades

 

[Devin]

+ 1 to Dark City. Love the film noir feel in the beginning and story is fun. The pacing is the only issue I have with it, as it gets a bit frenetic at times.

The first Matrix was so much fun as a teenager, but as an adult I feel like the story just doesn't hold up over time. It is really stylized and the feel of the growth is Neo is very good. But the second movie threw everything out. All style, zero substance. From the time of the Zion orgy (in retrospect, really?), all through the ridiculous "character building" of Smith (ie: fighting Neo), there was zero point to the movie. It at least the storytelling device was completely lost on me. The only part I remember was either in the second or third when they meet the Architect. I remember being relieved to be getting at least some backstory.

Oh yeah, exploding cars on a highway. Or backstop..

BTW, if you are interested in scifi epics, see Dune asap.

 

[JSolo]

Equilibrium from the early 2000's was a good flick too.

Equilibrium (2002) ⭐ 7.3 | Action, Drama, Sci-Fi

1h 47m | R

www.imdb.com

Lots of good stuff around the turn of the century.

 

[AwesumPurson]

Dune is fantastic as is his previous movie Bladerunner 2049. Exmachina is another mindblower near the top of my list

 

[JSolo]

A good movie I recently watched (and thoroughly enjoyed) was the latest mad max fury road from 2015. I wish I was buzzed at time, would be even better.

 

[JSolo]

This about sums it up for me.

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[Floridaman]

To summarize the critic Jay Sherman, the cause of bad movies is on us. If we stop watching bad movies they'll stop making them. If the movie used to be a TV show, just don't watch it. After roman numeral II, give it a rest. If it's a remake of a classic, watch the classic. Watch stories about people, not a hundred million dollars of stunts and explosives. It's up to us... if the movie stinks, just don't go. Of course, if people really cared about what they say they care about, we wouldn't live in an endless sea of superhero movies and Mustang SUVs. We deserve what we get because we are as bad as the movies we patronize. Soon we'll have a Corvette SUV and we won't care as long as it's electric and has games on it's touchscreen. We live in the Matrix while watching movies about the Matrix! What the hell are we doing!? I'm going to go watch a transformers movie and regret my very existence. Maybe a comet can save us.

 

[Devin]

To summarize the critic Jay Sherman, the cause of bad movies is on us. If we stop watching bad movies they'll stop making them. If the movie used to be a TV show, just don't watch it. After roman numeral II, give it a rest. If it's a remake of a classic, watch the classic. Watch stories about people, not a hundred million dollars of stunts and explosives. It's up to us... if the movie stinks, just don't go. Of course, if people really cared about what they say they care about, we wouldn't live in an endless sea of superhero movies and Mustang SUVs. We deserve what we get because we are as bad as the movies we patronize. Soon we'll have a Corvette SUV and we won't care as long as it's electric and has games on it's touchscreen. We live in the Matrix while watching movies about the Matrix! What the hell are we doing!? I'm going to go watch a transformers movie and regret my very existence. Maybe a comet can save us.

Hey, boobs aren't going to move in slow motion on their own, dammit!

 

[Floridaman]

To be clear. I paid for Ghostbusters 2016. I am part of the problem. I only hope my soul hasn't been damned because of it.