Lease then Buyout - Contract Explanation

Dealer should have no issues negotiating a selling price with you (no guarantee you will get 10% off, but should be able to come close), then subtracting out the $10,100.

Thank you for the feedback! I spoke to a Manager last night. He said I was trying to game the system. WTF? I said as far as I know, I'm not breaking any rules or laws by trying to immediately buy out the lease. Hysterical!

Also, he said that if I go the route of buying out the lease contract right away, I will be required to pay all the interest that the bank would've made over the course of the 24-month lease. Is this correct? I thought I'd only have to pay the interest from the moment the lease starts to the moment I buy out the lease (hopefully less than 30-60 days worth of interest). I then said that if I have to pay interest on the entire 24-month lease term, then I would just put down $35k, and call it a day.
 
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@Lonz lol. That is BS. Buyout avoids ALL unpaid interest. That's the whole point of avoiding payments! What a cretinous piece of waffle some salespeople are.
 
So I am going to purchase a black GT2 tomorrow and am entirely excited. With that said, I am debating the purchase vs. finance options. Here is my dilemma:

Assuming dealer goes down to $49,000.00 off of a $53,000.00 MSRP. Then I can either get the lease cash offer of $10,320.00 on a 24 month lease or Kia is now offering $4,000.00 cash on financing plus another $3,000.00 for the conquest so $7,000.00 total for financing.

I live in NY and based on my review of this thread, I think I will pay ~$1,500.00 in tax on the lease and then get stuck paying the tax on the buyout (can anyone confirm this?).

So my math says I only save $1,500.00 or so on the lease vs. financing. The question then is it seems that doing the lease buy-out is not the easiest thing with Kia. If I finance I can just order a payoff and send a check and it's that simple. I plan to payoff the lease / finance right away.

So the question is should I eat the $1,500.00 just to avoid potential complications with the leaser buy-out? Does anyone have opinions as to whether the above all sounds right? Thanks.
 
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I think you are correct.

Have you read this?:

https://www.tax.ny.gov/pdf/publications/sales/pub839.pdf

"Once a lease has been entered into and the customer has paid the tax due at the inception of the lease, no refund or credit of tax paid is allowed to either the dealer or the customer (except as explained below) if the lease is terminated early, even if the lease is terminated because the vehicle is
destroyed in an accident."

This would suggest that once you do the buyout, you will pay sales tax on the entire buyout amount since you are getting no credit for the previously paid taxes.

However, I don't think the difference will be $1500. Here's why:

I am assuming for this simplified example a 7.5 state and county combined sales tax. You were correct in calculating the lease sales tax on the lease cash. So for the lease term, 7.5% * (~$49K agreed upon value - ~$29K estimated residual) = ~$1,500 as you stated above. If you did a buyout right away, the buyout amount would be around $40K, so as the buyer you would pay 7.5% * ~$40K = ~$3K. You would have paid roughly $4,500 in taxes.

If you did a purchase transaction instead you would be taxed 7.5% * ~$50K =~$3,750. So the actual difference in sales tax is more like $750 ($4,500 - $3750). I don't think it will be $1,500 difference because the buyout price will be $~10K less than original agreed upon price due to incentive. However, don't forget that lease acquistion fee is $650 and buyout fee is $300. So you are still looking at a $1,700 "inefficiency" in the lease route. Without consideration to finance costs, the $3,320 "benefit" of the lease cash, is quickly reduced to ~$1520. The difference will likely get reduced a little more because the lease money factor results in higher interest rate than a typical purchase loan for those one or two payments you will be required to make. You would also likely incur some additional fees related to becoming the owner (registration fee, title fee, tags, etc.). Another consideration is whether lease buyouts in NY can be completed directly with Kia or are required to go through the dealer. The latter would be a deal killer for the savings you are talking about.

I did a lease in 2018 because there were no cash incentives that strictly applied to purchasing at the time. So $7,900 lease incentive was a big deal. My lease was taxed on inception for the entire agreed upon value, but in MD any additional taxes are waived when the lessee purchases the vehicle. I only had to pay a couple hundred more in registration, title, tag fees so it was an easy decision for me. But in your case, I'd also be on the fence as to which way to go. I denfinitey would not do it for that modest amount if I in any way had to go through a dealer for the buyout (I'm not sure how KMF/NY handle).

One last consideration... what would the purchase finance rate be by taking Kia financing? What interest rate would you be able to get if refinancing at lease buyout?
 
So I am going to purchase a black GT2 tomorrow and am entirely excited. With that said, I am debating the purchase vs. finance options. Here is my dilemma:

Assuming dealer goes down to $49,000.00 off of a $53,000.00 MSRP. Then I can either get the lease cash offer of $10,320.00 on a 24 month lease or Kia is now offering $4,000.00 cash on financing plus another $3,000.00 for the conquest so $7,000.00 total for financing.

I live in NY and based on my review of this thread, I think I will pay ~$1,500.00 in tax on the lease and then get stuck paying the tax on the buyout (can anyone confirm this?).

So my math says I only save $1,500.00 or so on the lease vs. financing. The question then is it seems that doing the lease buy-out is not the easiest thing with Kia. If I finance I can just order a payoff and send a check and it's that simple. I plan to payoff the lease / finance right away.

So the question is should I eat the $1,500.00 just to avoid potential complications with the leaser buy-out? Does anyone have opinions as to whether the above all sounds right? Thanks.
Dealer discount of c. $4K is good right off the start; then another $7K Kia financing incentive and conquest cash!? Go for it. The hassle and uncertainty and shenanigans of leasing, plus the limited miles, makes the financing deal the best way to go. I wish Kia had offered a finance incentive like that when I got my car. Our incentive was only c. $1K.
 
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Thanks for the insight guys.

Rob I think the tax wouldn't be quite so high on the finance because I am theoretically getting $7000 in discounts so would get taxes on around ~$43000. Your point remains though that with all the other lease fees it does not seem the extra savings would be worth it.

I will confirm tomorrow if the offers are extended as expected and the final purchase price. Thanks again for all the help.
 
@patrickatwork I am also in Denver and the Kia dealers here are not at all competitive on pricing compared to other dealers around the country. You may have to buy out of state.

Also be warned that in Colorado you cannot do the lease buyout thru Kia finance. You have to go into a dealership again to do the buyout with chances of them trying to charge you more or mess with the numbers.
 
So, I'm looking at a '19 GT2 AWD (Panthera Metal/Gray) and trying to decide between lease or finance. Here's the pricing for each:

MSRP - $54,490
Dealer discount - $6,430
Price - $48,060
0% financing - $44,660
Own Financing - $40,660
Lease (24 mo) - $38,610 (incl acq fee)

I'm sales tax exempt, so that isn't a factor. The dealer has a $799 processing fee (yay NOVA, Brown's Kia Manassas). I have good credit, so if I finance it with my bank (USAA), the interest rate will be 2-3%. No trade unless I change my mind (current car is 2013 Scion FRS, paid off).

Thoughts?
 
So, I'm looking at a '19 GT2 AWD (Panthera Metal/Gray) and trying to decide between lease or finance. Here's the pricing for each:

MSRP - $54,490
Dealer discount - $6,430
Price - $48,060
0% financing - $44,660
Own Financing - $40,660
Lease (24 mo) - $38,610 (incl acq fee)

I'm sales tax exempt, so that isn't a factor. The dealer has a $799 processing fee (yay NOVA, Brown's Kia Manassas). I have good credit, so if I finance it with my bank (USAA), the interest rate will be 2-3%. No trade unless I change my mind (current car is 2013 Scion FRS, paid off).

Thoughts?
Why is there a $4000 difference between Kia finance and your own? Unless you have those switched around I believe you lose a lot of the rebates by taking your own financing
 
For those that have bought out.......

To buy out my lease should I call KMF, or just send a check with a print out of my 'buyout quote' page in KMFusa.com?

The web page simply has my account info VIN, the buyout amount and payment and mailing instructions.....



BUYOUT ADDRESS

Make Check Payable to "HCA Exchange, Inc." and mail to:

Regular Mailing Address:

HCA Exchange Inc.
Dept. CH 14301
Palatine, IL 60055-4301

Thanks,
 
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Why is there a $4000 difference between Kia finance and your own? Unless you have those switched around I believe you lose a lot of the rebates by taking your own financing

There’s a $4k finance offer from Kia, if you don’t get the 0%. I may still have to go with Kia to get it though, not sure.
 
@Lonz lol. That is BS. Buyout avoids ALL unpaid interest. That's the whole point of avoiding payments! What a cretinous piece of waffle some salespeople are.

Spoke to the dealer again, and he said the only way we could finalize the price is if I were to come into the dealership. So, I begrudgingly scheduled yet another appointment for this afternoon (same dealer I cancelled on earlier in the week, since they were giving me the runaround on truly how close we were on price), and right when I got there, they informed me that the Stinger that I wanted was actually NOT on the lot, and that it was a demo model. WTF? Why wouldn't they have told me that over the phone? He said he could get it back on the lot, but it would have miles on it. I said, "No thank you, that's let getting a hot new girlfriend, knowing your buddy already bangned her." What a complete pain in the butt! I'm about done dealing with these Kia dealers. They've got to be the worst I've ever dealt with :-(
 
For those that have bought out.......

To buy out my lease should I call KMF, or just send a check with a print out of my 'buyout quote' page in KMFusa.com?
Just mail the check. They deposited mine quickly. Save the phone calls for when they deny receiving your odometer statement. Make sure you have access to a fax machine. But no need to deal with KMF customer disservice until you have to.
 
I ended up calling. I asked about the odometer statement. They emailed it to me. So I included it with my payment. Hopefully, it is a smooth process.
 
I ended up calling. I asked about the odometer statement. They emailed it to me. So I included it with my payment. Hopefully, it is a smooth process.
Should be. Kia losing (not receiving) the odometer statement seems to have been the single most common fubar in the process. They didn't misplace mine and I had my title in under a month.
 
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How did you guys get the detailed buyout information the bank needs? They keep just sending me the same total buyout amount and a single tax number broken out for an all in number. I have been going back and forth with them a week now and almost am running out of time to complete the payment before I owe first lease payment. I think they will send what I need this time but in another "24-72 hours"

I know all states are different but anyone buy one in WI? Pretty sure its taxed full amount + residual amount + some type of fee?
 
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I'm mid way through a buyout in MN, so far so good. Negotiated ~5K (~10%) off a 2019 GT2 AWD, plus the $10,100 lease cash. Didn't pay anything the day I signed the paperwork, first payment came out of the lease cash and taxes got rolled into the lease (I guess this is common in MN, but I didn't see it mentioned on leasehackr). 2 days after I signed the lease paperwork it showed up on KMF with a total buy out of just under $41K. I called KMF, and they said to just mail the check in and that in 5-7 days after they deposited they check they would mail me an odometer statement to fill out and return via fax or mail. That day I printed copy of the buyout page and dropped it in the mail with a personal check. A week later I got an email that they got my payment and that my bank would reflect it in 5-7 business days. The amount listed on the buyout request page has now dropped to $0, so I'm pretty sure they properly applied it to a buyout.

I'm assuming that I will be paying tax at the DMV on the $41K, but I've never done a lease buy out before before so I'm not really familiar with how that part works. I'll let you know what I find out, either way, I'm very happy with the deal.

The dealership was very nice, but they did try to convince me that in the event of an early buyout I'd need to pay all the remaining payments, plus the residual. I didn't try to correct them, I just nodded and agreed, knowing that they were either trying to deceive me or just being dumb, and that the actual buyout amount would be much less.
 
I'm assuming that I will be paying tax at the DMV on the $41K, but I've never done a lease buy out before before so I'm not really familiar with how that part works.
On my buyout, all taxes were included.
 
On my buyout, all taxes were included.
That would be an extremely pleasant bonus. I take it that after the buyout KMF mailed you a title already in your name, no DMV trip required? I'm more familiar with how it works with used car private party sales, where the seller fills out their half of the title and then the buyer fills out their half of the title and takes it to the DMV to pay all the taxes and filing fees.

In the past I've only ever purchased used cars from private parties, this is both my first new car purchase and my first dealership purchase ever.
 
That would be an extremely pleasant bonus. I take it that after the buyout KMF mailed you a title already in your name, no DMV trip required? I'm more familiar with how it works with used car private party sales, where the seller fills out their half of the title and then the buyer fills out their half of the title and takes it to the DMV to pay all the taxes and filing fees.

In the past I've only ever purchased used cars from private parties, this is both my first new car purchase and my first dealership purchase ever.
Sales/Utah tax were included in the buyout. But DMV costs were paid up front when I started the lease; the dealer did the licensing, so when the buyout came there was no additional DMV cost or (of course) trip to the DMV.

Same here: I only bought used cars, almost all of them from private sellers. The Stinger is my only new car experience. :)
 
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