Launch control, what a JOKE..

"Power brake", what's that? Have you tried holding up the power brake (emergency brake) switch instead of pushing the floor brake? You mention a c. 200 RPM deficit doing the "power brake". And you hold the accelerator for darn close to the maximum allowed before LC disengages. That seems dicey to me (but again, I know nothing and less than nothing about drag racing!). I have to do this again to answer some questions about RPMs falling off when you hold your right foot down; not a lot, but I am pretty certain that I did detect a dropping of several notes when I pushed down, held it and then released the brake: prompting me to abandon the LC and just hold the car in place with auto hold, and then floor it swiftly. It seemed that I got away faster that way (entirely a gut judgment, and we know how subjective the gut is, heh ).
Power brake is slang for holding the brake and the gas to build power. If the RPMs fall off you are not in LC and probabaly have not disabled traction and stability control. You should see the car crashing symbol on your dash ☺
 
It is hard to say because I don't know the mechanism (if any) that the Stinger uses to manage wheel spin inside of launch control. Other brands will pull boost or engine timing to reduce power in the event of wheel spin. Others are brake based where the brakes are applied to limit wheel spin. I don't know how involved the Stinger system is.

I have heard that people who have added power can spin the rear tires to excess using launch control. This leads me to believe that the system isn't actively managing wheel spin throughout the acceleration process. If this is the case, the Stinger system is just a glorified "power brake." If that is the case, raising the rpm to 3.5k may just expedite wheel spin.

For me, the method to improve the launch would be to increase the rear tire width and minimize the slow rollout that precedes "real" acceleration of the car by modifying the parameters in the ECU. The acceleration plot (if you have a g-meter that plots acceleration) clearly shows a soft start.
True the modified RWD cars are already spinning the tires so they dont need a harder launch but AWDs could use more.
 
Power brake is slang for holding the brake and the gas to build power. If the RPMs fall off you are not in LC and probabaly have not disabled traction and stability control. You should see the car crashing symbol on your dash ☺
But I did disable both, very clearly: "Ding!" followed c. three seconds later by "Ding! Ding!" and the disabled icon is on, in the upper left part of the dash. When I did all of my subsequent quick starts, with and without LC, I left the traction and stability control off. I only restarted both when I moved to speed experiments, deeming both a good idea if I was going to be romping down a narrow two lane road well in excess of 100 MPH!

As I said, I need to do this again and pay more considered attention to what the RPMs do when I hold the accelerator down in LC.
 
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True the modified RWD cars are already spinning the tires so they dont need a harder launch but AWDs could use more.
I've read that Sport puts as much as 80% of the power to the rear wheels. Surely this would max out during LC. And if any other way of accelerating at maximum capacity is tried, the stability and traction control should also be dispensed with; it seems logical anyway. To leave either stability or traction control on would interfere with an even distribution of power. But taking that system out of the picture would allow the full "undiluted" 80% to the rear wheels. This would simulate RWD closely, while also getting some power to the front tires to help pull that extra weight. The net effect could/should be a trade off so that the AWD doesn't suffer in a raw contest of rapid acceleration. At least, this would make the two types of drive trains as alike in performance as possible. We are only talking about a few hundredths of a second difference, which only matters to "duelists", not someone putting their foot down to pass or get up a freeway on ramp before the two lanes merge, etc.
 
True the modified RWD cars are already spinning the tires so they dont need a harder launch but AWDs could use more.

I only lose traction if I'm running map 2 of the JB4.

BUT, I'd still like a harder launch. If the car could be tuned to launch in the 3k range I would be happy to supplement it with wider/stickier tires.
 
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As somebody with hands on experience with Jeep SRT(AWD) and Charger Hellcats(RWD) (Chrysler brands) launch control versions.... The Stingers version is indeed a joke lol.
The Jeep SRT is only .3s faster on 0-60 for at least 20k more MSRP, and the Hellcat has double the HP...hardly fair comparisons lol.
 
The Jeep SRT is only .3s faster on 0-60 for at least 20k more MSRP, and the Hellcat has double the HP...hardly fair comparisons lol.
I believe he was comparing the launch control systems, not the actual cars.
 
Helo is correct, I was just using that brand as a comparison of LC systems.

The Jeep SRT is only .3s faster on 0-60 for at least 20k more MSRP, and the Hellcat has double the HP...hardly fair comparisons lol.

Here is a fun pic on that comment. Bone stock perfect WA weather.
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Helo is correct, I was just using that brand as a comparison of LC systems.



Here is a fun pic on that comment. Bone stock perfect WA weather.
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I find that hard to believe personally. Bone stock and .6s faster than quoted time? Something else is up. Even the Stinger is .2-.3s faster than quoted. That's believable.

I believe he was comparing the launch control systems, not the actual cars.

There's nothing else to compare in the launch control systems than how fast the cars are...that's the point of LC.
 
There's nothing else to compare in the launch control systems than how fast the cars are...that's the point of LC.
I'm not sure I understand what you are trying to say. The whole point of this entire thread is that different launch configurations WILL affect the quickness of the Stinger depending on how they are implemented. As the LC is implemented currently, it makes the car not as quick as it could be. Quick and fast are not interchangeable terms. (i.e. My quarter mile elapse time was a quick 12.39 seconds, and my speed was a fast 112 mph.) How fast a car is has very little to do with the launch control. How quick a car is to 60 ft has everything to do with launch control. As for the times being different than quoted times, manufacturers often sandbag so that cars tested in less than ideal situations aren't slower than their published times. Very rarely, if ever, will a manufacturer put out their best time. KIA as an example, has likely underrated their horsepower/torque from the factory on the Stinger.
 
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Apologies if I already shared this, but my GF's new Merc has LC, but an interesting feature I spotted is that the RPM hold is adjustable. Not sure I'm going to be able to play around with it unless she lets me take it out alone one day...
 
Apologies if I already shared this, but my GF's new Merc has LC, but an interesting feature I spotted is that the RPM hold is adjustable. Not sure I'm going to be able to play around with it unless she lets me take it out alone one day...
Is the Merc a dual-clutch gearbox? It should be fun. Some manufacturers do it better than others. Porsche and Audi seem to have the formula down.

On a side note, I was just reading about the Ford Mustang GT PP2 and it has 460hp, 420 trq, 3800lbs, manual transmission, 11-inch wide rear wheels, and 30 series Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2 tires. The magazine said the best launch was at 4000rpm (just under torque peak according the dyno). Although the car is a manual 6-speed, it is still equipped with a launch control. They had a 60' time of 1.9, quarter mile of 12.5@113.6mph. These numbers are lower than I expected for that hardware list... Makes me feel better about the Stinger times being posted.
 
Is the Merc a dual-clutch gearbox?

Nah.. CLS400 - just "boring" regular 9-speed. Lately people who know seem to think DC is becoming less important, advances in tech, and all that.
 
Nah.. CLS400 - just "boring" regular 9-speed. Lately people who know seem to think DC is becoming less important, advances in tech, and all that.
Not boring at all. My Lexus ISF boasted one of the first applications of an 8-speed automatic torque converter transmission in a performance car. As implemented in the ISF, the transmission boasted 0.1s shift times with a lockup torque converter in all gears after 1st gear. It did all of this with the silky smooth luxury start of a torque converter. As you said, the pendulum is swinging back to torque converter transmissions with advances being made that put them back in the lead for overall performance.
 
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