Drag/Acceleration Kia Stinger 1/4 Mile Times

[Terry@BMS]

@Tonkabob and anyone else on this thread that is using the RaceChip or considering it, take a look at my dyno numbers that I just posted. Pretty impressive I must say.

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Happy that you are happy but objectively speaking it costs more than JB4, has no fuel control, no CANbus, no logging features, no boost by gear, no E85 support, etc, etc. It appeals to a subset of the market that is not aware there are better cheaper options out there.

 

[ryan1stinger]

Saw it and I think that’s a lot of boost... more than I want on DD’ing on the stock turbos. Nice numbers... how’s the overall driving experience?

Driving experience is good thus far. Yes, boost is high. From tork motorsports they have an aggressive tune that is 20+ PSI. Interesting to see how much more HP JB4 is seeing from their dynos, with less boost, however their numbers could be elevated by 10% given differences in Dynos. With that being said the AFR control will increase HP and I believe a lot of those folks have intakes which I do not, which again will increase HP. Apologies for side tracking this thread. Not sure if I will do this, but if I could do a JB4 comparison in my car at the same Dyno shop it would be interesting to see comparisons.

Per Tork Motorsports:

Stage 1.5
This is a 20 + psi tune with torque and horsepower limits increased up to 200 + wheel torque and 150 + wheel horsepower. This tune requires everything from the Stage 1 tune, plus: full exhaust, FMIC, HKS45il spark plugs and we highly recommend "off road" pipes from the turbo to the cat back exhaust (cat delete). Word of caution... this tune is aggressive, note that when you decided to run this tune. --TBA--

 

[ryan1stinger]

Happy that you are happy but objectively speaking it costs more than JB4, has no fuel control, no CANbus, no logging features, no boost by gear, no E85 support, etc, etc. It appeals to a subset of the market that is not aware there are better cheaper options out there.

I purchased mine for half price. I was happy with that. I'm wondering if RaceChip has a larger consumer base. There is definitely something to be said for PNP, your done, and no more fiddling with it. For those us with less knowledge around tuning like myself, having so many options can be a bit much. For those on this forum that have years of experience tuning and want to dig, review, manipulate, I can certainly understand the appeal of JB4. With that being said, given the price of JB4, I may consider that for the future. Especially if I can pick it up used for even less, like I did with my RaceChip.

 

[Terry@BMS]

No worries, different strokes for different folks. While the JB4 offers a lot more most of it is optional. You could just run a basic system with no fuel wires, no CANbus, no OBDII. Many do that to start. But more often than not they soon want more and enable/add on the extra JB4 features for more power.

 

[Tonkabob]

@Tonkabob and anyone else on this thread that is using the RaceChip or considering it, take a look at my dyno numbers that I just posted. Pretty impressive I must say.

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Nice gains! Good to see the first private racechip dyno. 19.5 psi is more than i would have expected. I only ran my RC a few months but liked it. Ran a 12.76 at 111 with it on a 60 degree day.
Switched to a Tork ecu tune on a hotter day and ran about the same, low to high 12s at 110. Next outing 60 degrees ran 12.44 and a few 12.5s at 112 and 111.
My first tork tune only added 54 hp but it was still faster than my RC and had the awd record for a month or two.
The ecu tune on near stock hit 1.91 60 foots and the RC (and many other piggybacks on stock cars ) hit 2.0s.
Then i hit a dragy 12.08 with fmic and intake and new tune and had the AWD record for all of 5 hours! LOL!

 

[Tonkabob]

Driving experience is good thus far. Yes, boost is high. From tork motorsports they have an aggressive tune that is 20+ PSI. Interesting to see how much more HP JB4 is seeing from their dynos, with less boost, however their numbers could be elevated by 10% given differences in Dynos. With that being said the AFR control will increase HP and I believe a lot of those folks have intakes which I do not, which again will increase HP. Apologies for side tracking this thread. Not sure if I will do this, but if I could do a JB4 comparison in my car at the same Dyno shop it would be interesting to see comparisons.

Per Tork Motorsports:

Stage 1.5
This is a 20 + psi tune with torque and horsepower limits increased up to 200 + wheel torque and 150 + wheel horsepower. This tune requires everything from the Stage 1 tune, plus: full exhaust, FMIC, HKS45il spark plugs and we highly recommend "off road" pipes from the turbo to the cat back exhaust (cat delete). Word of caution... this tune is aggressive, note that when you decided to run this tune. --TBA--

My first tork tune, stage 1, had a target of 18 and we did see 17-18 on the dyno, but on the road and track doing 0-60s and 1/4 mile runs i would see 15 maybe 16 psi.
New tune 1.5 has 20 psi target and typically get 16-18 psi for runs. But good for 12.02, 12.03, 12.08 in the 1/4 so far so not complaining. This 12.02 run only hit 16 psi. Posted the log here.
Anyone using tork or pressertech tunes?"

 

[ryan1stinger]

A drop back for those of us living in Cali, the JB4 can't be shipped to us because of Cali emissions. Hard to know how much that could be hurting sales, given the few folks that live in Cali. Large market!!!

 

[ryan1stinger]

@Tonkabob Great runs, but personally I don't want to go down the path of a PCM flash which if I'm not mistaken would void my warranty. Piggyback is for me. Now if I could get may hands on jb4 with lower boost pressure and higher HP, with AFR, without making modifications to intake/exhaust which again could void my warranty, then I'm up for it.

 

[TwinSnails]

JB4 currently has some very nice features. Sounds like they will even tweak the tune slightly to the car.

I’ve always liked being able to flash my own tunes, but a piggy back is the closest we can get. An ECU tune that I had in my Silverado SS was amazing, I eventually never even thought about it anymore. It was rock solid and trusted it for 5 years with 0 issues.

 

[ryan1stinger]

No worries, different strokes for different folks. While the JB4 offers a lot more most of it is optional. You could just run a basic system with no fuel wires, no CANbus, no OBDII. Many do that to start. But more often than not they soon want more and enable/add on the extra JB4 features for more power.

It appears you're a vendor for Burger Motorsports. Are you able to sell the JB4 to a California resident and ship to California?

Any specials for Black Friday?

Thank you!

 

[Skraight]

@Tonkabob Great runs, but personally I don't want to go down the path of a PCM flash which if I'm not mistaken would void my warranty. Piggyback is for me. Now if I could get may hands on jb4 with lower boost pressure and higher HP, with AFR, without making modifications to intake/exhaust which again could void my warranty, then I'm up for it.

Piggyback will void your warranty just as much as pcm flash.. to think otherwise is ignorant.. I came from the focus rs community where we learned the hard way..

 

[James5623]

Happy that you are happy but objectively speaking it costs more than JB4, has no fuel control, no CANbus, no logging features, no boost by gear, no E85 support, etc, etc. It appeals to a subset of the market that is not aware there are better cheaper options out there.

Literally have a RaceChip sitting on the floor of my garage. The JB4 has been a significant improvement. I wish I had waited to be honest.

 

[ryan1stinger]

Piggyback will void your warranty just as much as pcm flash.. to think otherwise is ignorant.. I came from the focus rs community where we learned the hard way..

If the piggy back was completely removed before taking taking it in for warranty or service, how were they able to detect it was previously installed? I’ve heard from a lot of very knowledgeable folks on various forums and your the first person that has reported it is detectable.

If you can share details from your experience all here would be interested because the majority of us have a piggyback chip installed. In addition to that, I would like to take your feedback to the chip manaufacturers to see what they have to say

 

[Tonkabob]

@Tonkabob Great runs, but personally I don't want to go down the path of a PCM flash which if I'm not mistaken would void my warranty. Piggyback is for me. Now if I could get may hands on jb4 with lower boost pressure and higher HP, with AFR, without making modifications to intake/exhaust which again could void my warranty, then I'm up for it.

Sounds like a good plan. Maybe second hand jb4 or have someone ship you one. No mod voids the warranty but all mods that cause the failure void that parts coverage. We are all in the same boat. But life is too short to live in warranty fear.
RC kind of fast, jb4 fast and cheap, lap3 pro and ecu tunes really fast.

 

[Skraight]

If the piggy back was completely removed before taking taking it in for warranty or service, how were they able to detect it was previously installed? I’ve heard from a lot of very knowledgeable folks on various forums and your the first person that has reported it is detectable.

If you can share details from your experience all here would be interested because the majority of us have a piggyback chip installed. In addition to that, I would like to take your feedback to the chip manaufacturers to see what they have to say

You must be new to tuning modern ecu's, oh sweet dear child. It is all up to the dealership you take it to, to be honest.

Yes, even if you remove the piggyback they can still see in the logs that the PSI went over the stock amount and sensors/parameters were fooled. How do you think more sophisticated piggybacks(the jb4 for instance) can also log that information? The reason jb4 hasn't had that issue a lot from what I've seen(I've not owned a jb4, but have been an active member here and 335x forums) is that they are very conservative(16psi vs 19.5 damn near 20 with your chip).

 

[ryan1stinger]

You must be new to tuning modern ecu's, oh sweet dear child. It is all up to the dealership you take it to, to be honest.

Yes, even if you remove the piggyback they can still see in the logs that the PSI went over the stock amount and sensors/parameters were fooled. How do you think more sophisticated piggybacks(the jb4 for instance) can also log that information? The reason jb4 hasn't had that issue a lot from what I've seen(I've not owned a jb4, but have been an active member here and 335x forums) is that they are very conservative(16psi vs 19.5 damn near 20 with your chip).

No need to be patronizing. Not sure why you think you have more knowledge then all the folks on both the stinger threads as well as the manufacturers of the piggyback chips. I can’t wait until someone with more knowledge than me steps into this discussion. Logging is real-time from what I’ve heard. Unless you personally know someone who has had their warranty voided because the manufacture determined they had a piggyback chip installed then this conversation is moot.

 

[Skraight]

No need to be patronizing. Not sure why you think you have more knowledge then all the folks on both the stinger threads as well as the manufacturers of the piggyback chips. I can’t wait until someone with more knowledge than me steps into this discussion. Logging is real-time from what I’ve heard. Unless you personally know someone who has had their warranty voided because the manufacture determined they had a piggyback chip installed then this conversation is moot.

Yes.. me in the focus RS community why I'm even speaking up to prevent you from making decisions thinking you are protected...

 

[ryan1stinger]

Yes.. me in the focus RS community why I'm even speaking up to prevent you from making decisions thinking you are protected...

That’s unfortunate and here’s hoping it doesn’t happen to anyone else. What piggyback chip did you have installed? What brought you into the dealership and do you believe the issue you were encountering was caused by the chip? It’s good to hear all sides, but if they can detect that I ever had a chip installed then I’m screwed if I need warranty work, therefore I will just enjoy the performance and not worry about may potentially be, given there’s nothing I can do about it now.

 

[Terry@BMS]

You must be new to tuning modern ecu's, oh sweet dear child. It is all up to the dealership you take it to, to be honest.

Yes, even if you remove the piggyback they can still see in the logs that the PSI went over the stock amount and sensors/parameters were fooled. How do you think more sophisticated piggybacks(the jb4 for instance) can also log that information? The reason jb4 hasn't had that issue a lot from what I've seen(I've not owned a jb4, but have been an active member here and 335x forums) is that they are very conservative(16psi vs 19.5 damn near 20 with your chip).

Pay for any damage you cause tuning your vehicle. But seeing as this is a technical discussion you're incorrect. With a JB4 in place the ECU only ever sees the factory boost levels. The JB4 logs boost off the sensor itself before changing the values sent in to the ECU. The rest of the data comes off CANbus. Since we also change the air/fuel ratios, the JB4 adds back in the offset on logs so it reads correctly. The ECU only ever sees the factory like air/fuel ratio and fuel trims too.

 

[Terry@BMS]

Yes.. me in the focus RS community why I'm even speaking up to prevent you from making decisions thinking you are protected...

The piggybacks for that platform have a common flaw that prevent them from being fully undetectable. But I think the root of the issue there was a crappy head gasket design by Ford. We avoided the market for that reason, don't want to potentially deal with blown motors due to factory defects.