Drag/Acceleration Kia Stinger 1/4 Mile Times

[Sales@Tork]

No I didn't. You claimed I did a few times, like you guys claimed I removed timing pull at the shifts (couldn't if I wanted to), and frankly I only have so much energy to continually correct you guys. One of my best times 11.94 had all sorts of throttle movement. It seems you still don't understand what I'm telling you about the boost in the manifold. Maybe it will sink in another way. The throttle is around 50% larger than it really needs to be. You'd still make full power with it only open 70-80% an entire run. So when talking about throttle movement and performance only movement that drops manifold boost is relevant.

Continually correcting "you guys", yet is the slower car in the 1/4 mile

Continually correcting "you guys", yet... methanol and E30 do not make a car faster

Continually correcting "you guys", yet... trap speeds are the true definition of a fast car... so no one who crossed the finish line first

My popcorn is burnt now, because my throttle closed... damn stupid car

Oh, and in before Terry starts throwing insults again

200 pounds of sand ?? Lol

Must be the reason the throttle is closing

 

[Get Stung]

Definitely looking forward to spring.

Continually correcting "you guys", yet is the slower car in the 1/4 mile

Continually correcting "you guys", yet... methanol and E30 do not make a car faster

Continually correcting "you guys", yet... trap speeds are the true definition of a fast car... so no one who crossed the finish line first

My popcorn is burnt now, because my throttle closed... damn stupid car

your popcorn is most definitely burnt

 

[Angel]

Continually correcting "you guys", yet is the slower car in the 1/4 mile

Continually correcting "you guys", yet... methanol and E30 do not make a car faster

Continually correcting "you guys", yet... trap speeds are the true definition of a fast car... so no one who crossed the finish line first

My popcorn is burnt now, because my throttle closed... damn stupid car

Welcome back ... I know this is going to sound crazy but I missed you .... I am about to get my pop corn this shit is about to get good !!!

 

[Tonkabob]

No I didn't. You claimed I did a few times, like you guys claimed I removed timing pull at the shifts (couldn't if I wanted to), and frankly I only have so much energy to continually correct you guys. One of my best times 11.94 had all sorts of throttle movement. It seems you still don't understand what I'm telling you about the boost in the manifold. Maybe it will sink in another way. The throttle is around 50% larger than it really needs to be. You'd still make full power with it only open 70-80% an entire run. So when talking about throttle movement and performance only movement that drops manifold boost is relevant.

The ecu limits throttle on launch, high power shifts and overboost to limit torque. But when the throttle closes on a jb4 car torque is not affected. Got it!

 

[TorkMe]

The ecu limits throttle on launch, high power shifts and overboost to limit torque. But when the throttle closes on a jb4 car torque is not affected. Got it!

Maybe we are doing it wrong... maybe, just maybe, if we induce throttle close on your car and all our tunes during shift... we will drop some additional time in the 1/4 mile or 1/2 mile or during roll racing?

I have to dig into that mapping and figure out how to shut down the throttle during shift

I bet you are just reading the logs wrong... yea, thats what the problem is. Or, you live to close to me

Welcome back ... I know this is going to sound crazy but I missed you .... I am about to get my pop corn this shit is about to get good !!!

I missed me too

Sadly, I will not be able to stick around and play with the other tuners or have insults thrown at me. I actually have work that needs to get finished.

 

[brancky3]

I'm heading out Sunday or Monday. In the end they'll argue dragy varies from car to car. 3 of the top 4 times are dragy. If map 3s clicking and I think she is I'll be top2 and theyll have another log to analyze and pick apart.

Your satellites must be closer together! That's it!

 

[Angel]

I missed me too

Sadly, I will not be able to stick around and play with the other tuners or have insults thrown at me. I actually have work that needs to get finished.

MURICA !!!! I am glad you are .... keep working I am sure it will pay off .... I heard that you guys been making on some big improvements on the tune and are working on improving the whole tune.... that’s great don’t forget to keep us updated on here lol ... after all we are the stinger community .... and your included on the community so don’t worry about insults or differences on opinion let the work speak on that ....

 

[Tonkabob]

MURICA !!!! I am glad you are .... keep working I am sure it will pay off .... I heard that you guys been making on some big improvements on the tune and are working on improving the whole tune.... that’s great don’t forget to keep us updated on here lol ... after all we are the stinger community .... and your included on the community so don’t worry about insults or differences on opinion let the work speak on that ....

Or just post new 1/4 mile times and increase the gap to .2 , .3, .4 seconds.

 

[Sabz]

Not this again... unless your time is half second to one second better than the other person stop arguing about who is faster ... they all are pretty dang close if you ask me ... Am I wrong here?
Hopefully the person with the new hybrid turbos gets a run and then shuts everyone up about who is faster...

 

[Terry@BMS]

The ecu limits throttle on launch, high power shifts and overboost to limit torque. But when the throttle closes on a jb4 car torque is not affected. Got it!

Your flash tuning may have major throttle management issues. How would I know without seeing your data?

The 11.98 map2 car on the other hand whose log is posted in this thread clearly did not.

 

[robz32]

@Tonkabob You have the time list for this weeks update?

 

[STINGER]

Managed to run a 12.13 on Map 3 on my 20's and the 295's firestones on the street. Car was spinning 1 & 2nd, quite happy with the trap.

This is on 93octane 50/50 WMI running a very small jet. The WMI is a Snow Kit, it is not integrated into the JB4 by FSB. Mods in signature.

 

[Terry@BMS]

Awesome trap! Get that 60' down a bit and it's another 11 second Stinger.

 

[brancky3]

@Tonkabob You have the time list for this weeks update?

If we can follow my proposal to simplify this whole process you can post the Google spreadsheet link into the first post - this has been updated as of STINGER's post 10 minutes ago. Kia Stinger 1/4 Mile Times

 

[STINGER]

If we can follow my proposal to simplify this whole process you can post the Google spreadsheet link into the first post - this has been updated as of STINGER's post 10 minutes ago. Kia Stinger 1/4 Mile Times

Excellent, would be nice to have a tire diameter as well.

 

[Tonkabob]

@Tonkabob You have the time list for this weeks update?

Here are the top times as of January 11th, 2019.
1/4 mile time, speed, 1/8 mile time, speed, 60 foot time

New at #8 is @STINGER knocking @Jonnytig off the list. Now the top 10 is 12.1s and better - Finally!

1. 11.78* @118.58, @Tonkabob, 7.63 @94.20, 1.85
GT2 AWD, Tork ECU tune, Ark catback, JT intake, Ultimate FMIC. 92 octane + lucas

2. 11.91* @120.73, @Terry@BMS, 7.82 @94.96, 2.03
GT RWD, JB4, BMS intake, Water/Methanol injection 50/50, Drag radials, wheels. 30% E85

3. 11.98 @118.96, @TorkMe, 7.84 @94.03, 1.95
GT RWD, Tork ECU tune, Tork intake, muffler delete, no cats, fmic. 92 Octane

4. 11.98* @116.81, @Get Stung, 7.77 @92.52, 1.88
AWD, JB4 Map2, Secondary CAT bypass, Borla catback, 93 octane

5. 12.07 @ 116.73, @Crewdawg130, 7.85 @92.65, 1.90
GT2 RWD, JB4 map3, intake, Ultimate HFC primary and secondary, FMIC, Drag radials. 93 octane

6. 12.07* @ 113.98, Michael L., 7.89 @92.70, 1.95
AWD, Lap3 pro Map3, Injen Intake, no cats. 91 + E30

7. 12.13 @116.78, Jesse P / turbokits.com, 7.89@ 91.51, 1.87
AWD, Lap3 pro Map 3, Intake, FMIC, no cats, 93 octane.

8. 12.13* @ 118.80, @STINGER, 7.99 @ 93.89, 2.07
RWD, JB4 map 3, WMI, VT Snorkel, K&N Drop ins, NGT primary, JunBL mid (no cats) EVC cat back

9. 12.13* @116.6, @KLR STINGER
AWD, JB4 map2, Intakes, Velossa snorkels, Magnaflow Catback, JT FMIC, Lap3 primary dp, JunBl Mid (no cats), Magnaflow Catback, 94 octane e20

10. 12.17 @114.71, Kia Bahrain (@STINGER driving)
GT2 RWD Lap3 Uncle, junbl cat back, 100 octane

 

[Tonkabob]

Your flash tuning may have major throttle management issues. How would I know without seeing your data?

The 11.98 map2 car on the other hand whose log is posted in this thread clearly did not.

I put on my reading glasses and was able to find these throttle management issues. (red)
Why do JB4 cars seem to randomly cut timing on shifts sometimes and sometimes not? (blue)

 

[Angel]

I put on my reading glasses and was able to find these throttle management issues. (red)
Why do JB4 cars seem to randomly cut timing on shifts sometimes and sometimes not? (blue)
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Do you know what causes those dips ? I am no expert at all but I do see the dips .... that’s weird .... would that feel like the car is jerking between shifts ??

 

[Terry@BMS]

I put on my reading glasses and was able to find these throttle management issues. (red)
Why do JB4 cars seem to randomly cut timing on shifts sometimes and sometimes not? (blue)
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I'll add the lines in one last attempt to explain how the throttle works. Only one caused separation between manifold boost and pre-throttle boost, without separation the throttle isn't closed enough to present any restriction in the inlet path, and therefor is irrelevant. The one separation was on his 3-4 shift he lost 0.5 psi for around 2/10ths of a second. Overall minor closure. Or more to the point he's not going to pickup performance correcting it. Which is why you're "shocked" he ran 11.98 like that. If you properly read the data in front of you there would be no shock as you'd clearly see throttle had no significant effect.

He will find on higher JB4 maps there is less throttle movement. In some situations where IAT is really cold we need the IAT wire to cleanly tune the higher boost maps. We'll see if that is the case here when he cranks it.

Timing is always removed during the shift momentarily, sometimes as quickly as 1/10th of a second. Since we're logging at a slower rate you won't always capture it in logs.

 

[Angel]

I'll add the lines in one last attempt to explain how the throttle works. Only one caused separation between manifold boost and pre-throttle boost, without separation the throttle isn't closed enough to present any restriction in the inlet path, and therefor is irrelevant. The one separation was on his 3-4 shift he lost 0.5 psi for around 2/10ths of a second. Overall minor closure. Or more to the point he's not going to pickup performance correcting it. Which is why you're "shocked" he ran 11.98 like that. If you properly read the data in front of you there would be no shock as you'd clearly see throttle had no significant effect.

He will find on higher JB4 maps there is less throttle movement. In some situations where IAT is really cold we need the IAT wire to cleanly tune the higher boost maps. We'll see if that is the case here when he cranks it.

Timing is always removed during the shift momentarily, sometimes as quickly as 1/10th of a second. Since we're logging at a slower rate you won't always capture it in logs.

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So is that normal then Terry ? When this happens would the car feel like is jerking between gears ? Just curious