Kia hints that Stinger will "E"volve ............

[westcoastGT]

Kia reckons the Stinger might have to 'evolve' to survive

 

[Mayhem]

It will be interesting to see if Kia designs a hybrid or EV Stinger to try to boost sales to keep the model alive. It sounds like Kia doesn't want to just throw in the towel on such a great car, but I wonder how buyers would react to more "environmentally friendly" engines.

 

[westcoastGT]

It will be interesting to see if Kia designs a hybrid or EV Stinger to try to boost sales to keep the model alive. It sounds like Kia doesn't want to just throw in the towel on such a great car, but I wonder how buyers would react to more "environmentally friendly" engines.

looking at how well EVs sell , particularly Teslas I would say , it would be well received

 

[Revvdmedia]

While there are many things I like about gas engines (mostly sounds, lol), I had a Tesla pull up to me this morning immediately after I left the garage and I was thinking if my car was electric, I wouldn't need to wait for the engine to warm up before absolutely mashing the throttle. Plus that instant torque. Electric does have some performance benefits.

 

[cncBilly]

Electric cars are for mindless people who's only ability behind the wheel is to point and press. The fact that they have power makes them a dangerous weapon in the hands of said mindless. Stay clear.

 

[MerlintheMad]

The comments are already interesting on that page.

 

[Rynil2000]

Electric cars are for mindless people who's only ability behind the wheel is to point and press. The fact that they have power makes them a dangerous weapon in the hands of said mindless. Stay clear.

Tesla is a car for anyone that would rather be on their phone than driving.
"Oooohhh, big pretty dash tablet, goofy Easter eggs, and self driving"

 

[Revvdmedia]

Electric cars are for mindless people who's only ability behind the wheel is to point and press. The fact that they have power makes them a dangerous weapon in the hands of said mindless. Stay clear.

I feel like the Mustang Mach E will be a major culprit in this argument. Given the already prevalent SUV complex, especially in winter (I have winter tires and therefore can drive as fast as I want because AWD), making SUVs fast through electrification becomes dangerous to the uninitiated.

As to the argument of point and shoot (fast as a drag weapon), I would argue if we could get the weight down on electric batteries, electric cars can be absolute track weapons considering batteries below the driver mean a low center of gravity and the possibility of 50/50 weight distribution. Assuming you have enough charge to do more than a few laps lol.

 

[westcoastGT]

Tesla is a car for anyone that would rather be on their phone than driving.
"Oooohhh, big pretty dash tablet, goofy Easter eggs, and self driving"

heres a shot of you and Billy .....................bawaaaaa one word for you Taycan ...................

 

[MerlintheMad]

"Oooohhh, big pretty dash tablet, goofy Easter eggs, and self driving"

Very shortly after getting my Stinger, a local gal ran her Tesla at 60 MPH into the rear end of a fire truck waiting at a stop light. She admitted that she had been on her phone "looking for alternate routes". Info gleaned from the car's "memory banks" showed that the car had slowed from the cruise setting, then, in the last few seconds before impact, had SPED UP back to cruise. Why? "Auto Pilot" cannot respond quickly enough to suddenly changed situations caused by "stupid, hairless bipeds". What must have occurred is something like this: Tesla following car in front; driver of said-car in front suddenly changed lanes to take advantage of a shorter lane waiting ahead for the red light; Tesla "thinks", "the way ahead is clear, resume cruise speed". Wham! The woman had looked up at the last instant and hit the brakes even as her car hit the fire truck.

 

[Revvdmedia]

Very shortly after getting my Stinger, a local gal ran her Tesla at 60 MPH into the rear end of a fire truck waiting at a stop light. She admitted that she had been on her phone "looking for alternate routes". Info gleaned from the car's "memory banks" showed that the car had slowed from the cruise setting, then, in the last few seconds before impact, had SPED UP back to cruise. Why? "Auto Pilot" cannot respond quickly enough to suddenly changed situations caused by "stupid, hairless bipeds". What must have occurred is something like this: Tesla following car in front; driver of said-car in front suddenly changed lanes to take advantage of a shorter lane waiting ahead for the red light; Tesla "thinks", "they way ahead is clear, resume cruise speed". Wham! The woman had looked up at the last instant and hit the brake even as her car hit the fire truck.

Do me, autonomous driving ONLY exists once cars "talk to each other," meaning the cars relay information to one another. This then becomes the point that traffic control systems are then obsolete, meaning no more traffic lights, stop signs, etc...everything is potentially timed perfectly. That is quite a long ways out as is relies on every single vehicle on the road having this technology, and at that point, why would you own a car.

One caveat I've always wondered about autonomy is measuring traction, will a system come into play that can measure the coefficient of friction on the road for adverse conditions? To me, this is the hardest aspect for an autonomous car to cope with.

 

[MerlintheMad]

Do me, autonomous driving ONLY exists once cars "talk to each other," meaning the cars relay information to one another. This then becomes the point that traffic control systems are then obsolete, meaning no more traffic lights, stop signs, etc...everything is potentially timed perfectly. That is quite a long ways out as is relies on every single vehicle on the road having this technology, and at that point, why would you own a car.

One caveat I've always wondered about autonomy is measuring traction, will a system come into play that can measure the coefficient of friction on the road for adverse conditions? To me, this is the hardest aspect for an autonomous car to cope with.

I see scenarios dictating protocol. If you want full autonomy, you give up driving for yourself. These venues would be clearly marked, and when you enter one, you are a passenger only. Of course, your vehicle would have to be "full autonomy compatible". Anyone with an older, antiquated, or retro/vintage vehicle would be forbidden. Inner city driving, I would expect, would all be "full autonomy only". From the Burbs outward, either/or would be permitted. So, "why would you own a car" would depend on what kind of car you have/want. Even a fully autonomous car would have driver control capability. I doubt we'll see the completely autonomous car, ever, not just in our lifetimes. Because driving is fun (at least potentially). If most "drivers" opt to be simple passengers most of the time, that doesn't mean I would join them.

 

[Revvdmedia]

I see scenarios dictating protocol. If you want full autonomy, you give up driving for yourself. These venues would be clearly marked, and when you enter one, you are a passenger only. Of course, your vehicle would have to be "full autonomy compatible". Anyone with an older, antiquated, or retro/vintage vehicle would be forbidden. Inner city driving, I would expect, would all be "full autonomy only". From the Burbs outward, either/or would be permitted. So, "why would you own a car" would depend on what kind of car you have/want. Even a fully autonomous car would have driver control capability. I doubt we'll see the completely autonomous car, ever, not just in our lifetimes. Because driving is fun (at least potentially). If most "drivers" opt to be simple passengers most of the time, that doesn't mean I would join them.

You are correct, there are scenarios. The car folk who do enjoy driving, it would be hard to pull their right to drive away from them without a squabble. On the flip side, who knows what "those darn kids" are like these days, maybe they won't like driving, will be the majority in 30-40 years once petrol powered vehicles are antiquated, they may be the upheaval and cause a movement? Either way, I'm sure I'll be in the dirt before the ability to drive a car goes away. If not, they better have a really epic sound system and some good media options lol.

The times have changed for sure and I'm thinking you've seen it having a few more years than me. The old "race wins on Sunday sells cars on Monday" isn't really a thing any more, auto racing doesn't really sell cars. That is for advertising, and now, Hollywood. I'm seeing a lot more cars with badges on them in TV and movies, and that is clearly advertising, otherwise the badges are removed so you don't need to pay royalties.

 

[Waynerm002]

Yesss!! I would take a hybrid stinger. Full electric is going to make the price rise higher. 2.5T and electric motors, yes please!

 

[westcoastGT]

Electric cars are for mindless people who's only ability behind the wheel is to point and press. The fact that they have power makes them a dangerous weapon in the hands of said mindless. Stay clear.

..............sort of like Sail Boats vs Power Boats .................I stay clear of those sloths ! Bawaaaaaaa

 

[brunosquito]

heres a shot of you and Billy .....................bawaaaaaView attachment 42188 one word for you Taycan ...................

A Stinger with the aspirations of Taycan sounds decent

 

[SKStinger]

Tesla is a car for anyone that would rather be on their phone than driving.
"Oooohhh, big pretty dash tablet, goofy Easter eggs, and self driving"

You forgot to mention their limited attention to detail for things like panel gaps and missing interior trim.

 

[Mayhem]

This may be a bit of a stretch, but I find it funny that there is a bit of similarity between the current situation with the Stinger and the sitcom Seinfeld. When Seinfeld first debuted in 1989-1990 almost nobody knew about it. Those that did watch it, not me at the time, knew it was funny, and similarly, NBC knew it was a potential hit and didn't want to give up on it.
In comparison, Stinger owners know what a great all around car we have even though the sales numbers are small and Kia knows the Stinger is a great car and don't exactly want to get rid of it. Kia hasn't done themselves any favors though by not marketing the car, even though they do know that sedans aren't really what buyers are interested in, at least in the US. Hopefully Kia will give the Stinger another chance to take off with a second generation. I can't see a Stinger that is entirely electric, but Kia might try a hybrid. Whatever happens I hope it stays around and I thought the comparison was rather amusing.

 

[hbstinger]

i thought about this for a while and EV stinger i think would be a hit.

what other competitors are there right now that would be direct against it? the tesla model 3 is about it. Porsche taycan is above the price point.

this is assuming kia can keep the car below 55K I think. this would help make this a more popular seller.

alternatively, a hybrid seems like an intriguing thought. imagine a hybrid stinger with over 600 horsepower.

 

[cncBilly]

..............sort of like Sail Boats vs Power Boats .................I stay clear of those sloths ! Bawaaaaaaa

That's it! I'm breaking up with you