Kia Has No Plans to Kill the Stinger.

[JSolo]

^^But it's those tree huggers that want their high speed internet and high capacity cloud farms...

 

[Devin]

Yeah, damn all those tree huggers buying SUVs and trucks and killing off the sedan market!

Wait, what was this thread about?

 

[Chongoculo]

Yeah, damn all those tree huggers buying SUVs and trucks and killing off the sedan market!

Wait, what was this thread about?

LOL
It's now about why they are apparently killing off the Stinger soon in lieu of pushing hard into EVs.

 

[MerlintheMad]

And there's the rub. Electrolysis requires...
Electricity, right back to the power grid issue. If we begin to solidly embrace nuclear energy (there are far safer technologies out there now), we could have all the electricity we want without burning fossil fuels.
Sure, there is solar and other renewable sources, but then we start talking about cover millions of square miles with solar panels, or wind turbines, or dams....
Can't get something for nothing, there are physical laws in place.

Would we need to increase the power grid to create enough Hydrogen? If so, by how much? The tradeoff is probably in favor of Hydrogen and eliminating fossil fuels for internal combustion engines.

 

[NS_Stinger]

I've heard a lot of people who are against EV's saying that the power grid can't handle it, but they always do the math as if the entire country will be charging their EV's at the sametime which would obviously never be the case. I also get the feeling a lot of people said something similar back when gasoline engines started getting dropped in cars, but we will need gas stations all over the country and where will we get all the fuel etc etc. We evolved and found a way then and we will evolve and find a way now, except at a much faster rate with the tech and knowledge we have at our fingertips.

 

[rpoffen]

I've heard a lot of people who are against EV's saying that the power grid can't handle it, but they always do the math as if the entire country will be charging their EV's at the sametime which would obviously never be the case. I also get the feeling a lot of people said something similar back when gasoline engines started getting dropped in cars, but we will need gas stations all over the country and where will we get all the fuel etc etc. We evolved and found a way then and we will evolve and find a way now, except at a much faster rate with the tech and knowledge we have at our fingertips.

Here in California, during the hottest days of the summer, they call flex alerts meaning the grid is near capacity and asking people to cut back. Sometimes there might be rolling blackouts or worse. In these cases, it might only take a few hundred cars charging to put it over the edge. This is a state of over 40 million people, and there are probably at least 20 million registered vehicles.
And they are banning the sale of gas powered cars starting in 2035.

 

[Kamauxx]

Here in California, during the hottest days of the summer, they call flex alerts meaning the grid is near capacity and asking people to cut back. Sometimes there might be rolling blackouts or worse. In these cases, it might only take a few hundred cars charging to put it over the edge. This is a state of over 40 million people, and there are probably at least 20 million registered vehicles.
And they are banning the sale of gas powered cars starting in 2035.

Hasn't California always had problems with energy consumption vs production?

Doesn't California have similar issues with water?

Maybe the problem with California is California.

 

[geltez]

Here in California, during the hottest days of the summer, they call flex alerts meaning the grid is near capacity and asking people to cut back. Sometimes there might be rolling blackouts or worse. In these cases, it might only take a few hundred cars charging to put it over the edge. This is a state of over 40 million people, and there are probably at least 20 million registered vehicles.
And they are banning the sale of gas powered cars starting in 2035.

I just want to correct you that banning the sale of gas powered vehicles are only for new ones not used.

 

[Chongoculo]

Sounds like an excellent loophole for savvy dealers in states bordering us CA folks. Register cars in another state by selling them to a corporation set up for this purpose, like fleet sales or individual car sales, then just sell them with 5 miles or 500 miles on the odometer to a person in CA.
Or maybe friends and family out of state could buy a vehicle and sell it to you right away. Or you could simple go to another state and buy any used vehicle.
Either way, there will be a huge influx of out of state cars coming into CA unless the state blocks registering out of state vehicles.

 

[rpoffen]

It gets worse. Some communities (not just in Ca either) are going to ban the use of natural gas service in new home construction, meaning they will be electric only.
We already have another ban going into effect in a few years for the sale of new small gas powered tools like weed trimmers, lawn mowers, etc. This may extend to some other products such as generators as well.
When we had a big storm just before new year's, we had so many downed trees taking out power poles, I was out of power for 10 days. The only thing that saved us was our generator. Best investment I ever made.
Gotta love it.

 

[westcoastGT]

Asked my dealer about trading my Stinger GT for an EV6 for my wife , have to order one and get it next year ........................NOT !

 

[jays2000]

Huffines in McKinney $39,450 pre-tax for the ceramic silver gt-line with red interior and Sun and sound package. No dealer add-ons required.

That's crazy! I bought my '21 Stinger there and was amazed that the only add-on was $200 ($300?) for tint. Different world now, though.

 

[NYBIOMED]

Asked my dealer about trading my Stinger GT for an EV6 for my wife , have to order one and get it next year ........................NOT !

The dealer I flew out to, near Chicago, who sold me my GT-Line 2 weeks ago for $500 under MSRP, had an EV6 in the showroom- they were selling it for $10k over MSRP. They REALLY did not want to part with it.

 

[westcoastGT]

The dealer I flew out to, near Chicago, who sold me my GT-Line 2 weeks ago for $500 under MSRP, had an EV6 in the showroom- they were selling it for $10k over MSRP. They REALLY did not want to part with it.

Idiots ! they did the same with the Telly too ..........................

 

[Nonapplicable]

Just saw this for the Canadian market. Hopefully good news for other regions as well.

 

[Rodtheviking]

It gets worse. Some communities (not just in Ca either) are going to ban the use of natural gas service in new home construction, meaning they will be electric only.
We already have another ban going into effect in a few years for the sale of new small gas powered tools like weed trimmers, lawn mowers, etc. This may extend to some other products such as generators as well.
When we had a big storm just before new year's, we had so many downed trees taking out power poles, I was out of power for 10 days. The only thing that saved us was our generator. Best investment I ever made.
Gotta love it.

They banned natural gas where I live last year, my house is one of the last that have it. Thankfully everything is wired for electric should I ever have to switch.

Anyway.. I was at our local Kia dealer yesterday and one of the sales managers told me that 2023 might be it. Sold our Sonata N Line for more than we paid, even after a costly repair. Crazy market.

 

[cnaf]

If there is a 2023 Stinger, I'm curious what the local dealers will do with their existing 2022's. At least in my general area, there are still about 33 and they've been on the lot's for quite a while. Some over 90 days due to rediculous 6K market adjustments. If for some strange reason they don't move, and a 2023 model gets slated for July- do they simply double down and market adjust everything, or do they come down off the price of the 2022's they have remaining?

 

[NYBIOMED]

It's anyone's guess what the dealers might do, they may drop the markups, coupled with Kia incentives, might make for some excellent deals...or perhaps not. Most dealers have been struggling with stock for awhile now, they probably don't want to back to empty lots- not good for business. I know the larger dealers get more allotments as they move more inventory, I'd imagine they would want to retain that advantage over smaller dealers.
It's probably a smart move to wait until the 2023s arrive, if you willing to buy a 2022, and if your in the market and can wait a few more months. Also, if you have a trade, its worth more than ever and I don't think that going to change much in just 3 or 4 months, but who really knows the future?
G/L

 

[geltez]

If there is a 2023 Stinger, I'm curious what the local dealers will do with their existing 2022's. At least in my general area, there are still about 33 and they've been on the lot's for quite a while. Some over 90 days due to rediculous 6K market adjustments. If for some strange reason they don't move, and a 2023 model gets slated for July- do they simply double down and market adjust everything, or do they come down off the price of the 2022's they have remaining?

Which dealer is this??

 

[cnaf]

Which dealer is this??

Every Virginia dealer, the cleveland dealer in Tennessee, a couple in Maryland. Dulles Kia of VA has 7 Stingers- because they wont come off that crazy market adjustment. I actually went in there with paperwork in hand from a different dealership and told them I would buy on the spot if they would match. I really wanted the beige interior and they have one. The "match" was simply MSRP. They declined.

On top of that, every VA dealer has a $899 dealer processing fee. Beyer Kia has 4 stingers, I believe their market adjustment is "only" 4K. One dealer told me he would sell his Stingers (GT-line, AWD, sun/surf option) at MSRP- which was $45,790. I said, "wait a sec- MSRP is $41,790. You're adding 4K to the backend". He continued to push that narrative. I sent him the window sticker that showed MSRP at $41,790 so he tells me a market adjustment is considered part of the suggested retail price, and thus "MSRP".