Jerry Seiner offering $5K off MSRP

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I just received this email:

Hello <Customer>,


We have received an unexpected shipment of new Kia Stingers, and for two days only we are offering an amazing deal.

Starting today and ending September 30th, we are offering $5,000.00 off MSRP and 3 years of pre-paid maintenance on every new Stinger in stock.



Don’t miss out on this amazing offer. Visit us today online at www.seinerkiasj.com, in-person at 10301 South Jordan Gateway, or give us a call today to setup your VIP appointment at 385-474-2449.
 
and 3 years of pre-paid maintenance on every new Stinger in stock.
This is pretty sweet.

Wonder if this covers just oil changes - or brake services and engine air filters etc etc..
 
This is pretty sweet.

Wonder if this covers just oil changes - or brake services and engine air filters etc etc..
Call that phone number! (and move to Salt Lake city, of course :P)
 
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Thanks for sharing, Merlin. Good to know what's going on in the hinterlands... hopefully a sign of trends-to-come in a neighborhood near us!
 
Sounds a bit BS to me, hard to say. Even on a 2022 with Suede package, there's not $5k in profits in it. Even with "holdback" (which is designed to offset bank interest the dealer has to pay), nevermind the "3 years of maintenance". Even if they hit target because they sold 4 of these "deals" the target bonus on the back end of the dealership I don't think would make up for it.

Not sure about US dealers, but in Canada at least at ours, there's no such thing as an "Unexpected shipment". You don't accidentally order multiple $45-55k niche cars as an oopsie, and Kia doesn't exactly just send them out.... In rare cases, they allocate them and give the dealer choice if them want it, with the district manager maybe calling to try and push them on to the dealers. (We get weekly calls about Rios heh)

Sounds like a lead grab imo, probably leaning into a factory cash rebate which Stingers normally get (or a lower interest rate customers choose), and "throwing in" like 2k-2.5k which is made up either in high dealer fees, mandatory accessories, or on the back end with high interest rate pay from the bank (Or sketchy illegal things like tide selling)

Unfortunately many customers just focus on "what they paid for the car" regardless if they actual amount financed with interest is WAY more. I've lost sales to another Kia due to "giving them a better deal on the car" (base model Sportage).... That dealership has a $2000 winter package you have 0 choice on, its about $450 worth of accessories and nitrogen in your tires, so the customer paid much more in the end.
 
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@Dia1Up What is "tide selling"?
 
@Dia1Up What is "tide selling"?
Tide selling is things like "well, your credit came back, and it looks like the bank will only approve you if we tie in the extended warranty because they want the asset protected" (Which chances are if the car gets repo'd, the extended warranty is void anyways, so it's irrelevant). Or something along those lines. Basically using a bank approval deception to sell things. The finance person and dealership makes money off the warranties and ceramics, not the car sales person. (However if I pre-sell a ceramic, my finance guy usually buys me a coffee or something, plus he'll work harder on the ones that need work even if they don't make him much money. We actually have a great team here)

And if you think about it more, it makes 0 sense. Bank doesn't care if you get warranty or ceramic, they don't make money off of that. If you aren't approved, it's probably because the bank isn't comfortable lending that much money to you... so why would they approve you if you increase the lend amount? So sometimes the finance person would say "you're only approved if you get this warranty, and you need to pay upfront for it" because they couldn't get the bank to agree to more. If you bought the warranty you WOULDN'T be approved

If you agree, usually the finance people will then will get you to sign a flurry of papers not actually letting you read them.... because a lot of the time on extended warranty paperwork, there is big bold letters saying "Bank approval is not dependent on this warranty"

Thankfully it's illegal in BC, however it still happens. Most customers don't know better, and even if they do, they don't know the governing body that handles issues (The VSA, which is the BC body that licenses all BC car sales people, finance, dealerships, brokers ect)

Sadly it's not illegal in many places.
 
Unethical yes. One must do what they can to squeeze the deal for all it's worth. This day in age with all the information available, there is no reason for a buyer to uninformed....Unless the buyer chooses to be uninformed. In that case, well. They pay a price for being ignorant. If one is not comfortable discussing numbers, they should bring a friend who is.

Most local dealers are still including market adjustment and other addons in this area. Hell, even parts has caught on to this game. Lets mark stuff up at up to 100% over list. I called 4 dealers to get prices on a gal of coolant. Got 4 different prices, with 2 of them selling at list, the rest up to and including 2x list.

With this last deal I had all the line items expected to be on the bill of sale. Came into the finance office with a spreadsheet printout. Our final numbers were within 15¢ of one another.
 
Unethical yes. One must do what they can to squeeze the deal for all it's worth. This day in age with all the information available, there is no reason for a buyer to uninformed....Unless the buyer chooses to be uninformed. In that case, well. They pay a price for being ignorant. If one is not comfortable discussing numbers, they should bring a friend who is.

Most local dealers are still including market adjustment and other addons in this area. Hell, even parts has caught on to this game. Lets mark stuff up at up to 100% over list. I called 4 dealers to get prices on a gal of coolant. Got 4 different prices, with 2 of them selling at list, the rest up to and including 2x list.

With this last deal I had all the line items expected to be on the bill of sale. Came into the finance office with a spreadsheet printout. Our final numbers were within 15¢ of one another.

It's a bit farther than "unethical" imo. It's literally a straight up lie. It's not a grey area, it's not a play with words, it's not a slight twist of the truth, it's not a misunderstanding.

I'm all for making the most of each deal. That is my literal job as a sales person. Will I try to sell you a $55k Stinger over a middle of the road K5? Of course! But it sure as heck won't be based on a grey area or even a lie like "oh the bank will only approve you on the Stinger, you aren't approved on the K5".

No one should ever prey on the ignorant. For instance Merlin did not know what tide selling is. I'm sure he is someone who is very well informed. Again, illegal in BC. And even if it's not illegal in your particular area, if the conversation was recorded, in my non-legal, average person, take this with a grain of salt opinion, could be a strong case. However it's easy for the finance person to say "that's not what I said, you signed the papers"

You shouldn't have to be a finance expert yourself, just to trust a professional to help you through the sale. Now, should the customer read all the paperwork? Absolutely. Should the reason to read the paperwork, be because they can't trust the finance professional isn't doing something illegal or unethical? Absolutely not.

A: Most people don't know, what they don't know. B: There's TONS of misinformation out there. Google car brokers for instance. In a prefect world and what most info online says, you hire a broker to help you through the process and to get the best deal saving you LOTS of money, making sure you are getting the best deal, and saving you the big headache, and the potential of getting screw over like being tide sold. They SHOULD be an unbiased middle man, but in reality most of the time (not always the case), dealerships pay them a finders fee. Which is why either they try to push you to a new car, or charge you a higher fee for used.
 
No offense to honest sales folk, but really, I have full expectation of encountering every tactic to squeeze me as much possible during any car deal. Dealership and trust in the same sentence... Sorry, don't buy it. Favorable impressions left by the salesfolk are thoroughly diminished after a session in the finance office.

Such was the case in my deal. The sales person was very pleasant to deal with. Things turned somewhat sour in the finance office. But not unexpected.

You hit on an interesting concept, recording the finance office experience. I doubt permission would be given to the buyer to do so. Good point about the brokers too. That why a good friend I think makes the best companion. They have _your_ best interest in mind.

At the end of the day, the buyer's greatest power is the ability to walk out up until any papers are signed in the finance office. Even then, I suppose one could take all the paperwork, get up and leave.
 
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I received a "hand written, signed by the owner himself" letter of interest to buy my 2017 Chevrolet SS Sports Sedan the other day. I called the number on the letter, but they wouldn't let me speak to the owner...even though I stated I had a letter from him. I did talk to some sales manager guy, he told me I had to bring the car in for an evaluation. I told him the car hardly ever leaves the garage, and I'm sure not bringing it in for an "evaluation." I asked him if I could speak to the owner, he said that wasn't possible, but he'd relay a message. I'm still waiting on a return call...
 
I received a "hand written, signed by the owner himself" letter of interest to buy my 2017 Chevrolet SS Sports Sedan the other day. I called the number on the letter, but they wouldn't let me speak to the owner...even though I stated I had a letter from him. I did talk to some sales manager guy, he told me I had to bring the car in for an evaluation. I told him the car hardly ever leaves the garage, and I'm sure not bringing it in for an "evaluation." I asked him if I could speak to the owner, he said that wasn't possible, but he'd relay a message. I'm still waiting on a return call...
Look at autotrader for cars like yours, knock a few thousand off. (If a car comes into us in showroom perfect condition, it costs us just under $1000 to get it onto the lot for sale, and of course we need to make our chunk). Your trade is worth what the market says it is, not the dealership. So if you see cars like yours selling for $10,000, that's what the dealership is going to list it for, so that minus reconditioning and profit. If they are giving you $10,000 for you car that lists for $10,000.... that makes no sense. Why would the dealership give you more or the same that they are selling for?

Otherwise, clearly just a letter campaign thrown at the wall to see what sticks. Dealers (including us) are VERY short on cars. If you are thinking about selling your car (read selling, NOT "trading"), it's actually a very good time.... given they have something you want in stock. For both because dealers want cars, and the market on said cars is high. Doubly good

(Yes you can just sell your car to a dealership, and in reality it should be the same number they give you for a "trade in", if they aren't that's a red flag)
 
Look at autotrader for cars like yours, knock a few thousand off. (If a car comes into us in showroom perfect condition, it costs us just under $1000 to get it onto the lot for sale, and of course we need to make our chunk). Your trade is worth what the market says it is, not the dealership. So if you see cars like yours selling for $10,000, that's what the dealership is going to list it for, so that minus reconditioning and profit. If they are giving you $10,000 for you car that lists for $10,000.... that makes no sense. Why would the dealership give you more or the same that they are selling for?

Otherwise, clearly just a letter campaign thrown at the wall to see what sticks. Dealers (including us) are VERY short on cars. If you are thinking about selling your car (read selling, NOT "trading"), it's actually a very good time.... given they have something you want in stock. For both because dealers want cars, and the market on said cars is high. Doubly good

(Yes you can just sell your car to a dealership, and in reality it should be the same number they give you for a "trade in", if they aren't that's a red flag)
I know how it works, sorry my sarcasm didn't come through. It's obviously a letter campaign...I just wanted to talk to the owner, since he "wrote" the letter. I'd never actually sell this car to a dealer for them to resell it...unless they were to offer me stupid money...$60k+.

 
I know how it works, sorry my sarcasm didn't come through. It's obviously a letter campaign...I just wanted to talk to the owner, since he "wrote" the letter. I'd never actually sell this car to a dealer for them to resell it...unless they were to offer me stupid money...$60k+.

Hah I see.

Yes they are a super cool rare car I love them
 
Tide selling is things like "well, your credit came back, and it looks like the bank will only approve you if we tie in the extended warranty because they want the asset protected"...

...And if you think about it more, it makes 0 sense. Bank doesn't care if you get warranty or ceramic, they don't make money off of that. If you aren't approved, it's probably because the bank isn't comfortable lending that much money to you... so why would they approve you if you increase the lend amount? So sometimes the finance person would say "you're only approved if you get this warranty, and you need to pay upfront for it" because they couldn't get the bank to agree to more. If you bought the warranty you WOULDN'T be approved...

Yup, I had a dealer do this a long time ago, long before I knew what I was doing. A few months after I realized the bolded point.
 
From interior to exterior to high performance - everything you need for your Stinger awaits you...
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