Hyundai The Empty Car Convoy

[Mr. Wonderful]

We have the same smart technology in our Stingers.
This is a real video (not doctored).

 

[Mike_TX]

Well, that was interesting.

 

[Crisis]

Very interesting, but not shocking at all. That's how it should work. I wonder what speed they were travelling at? Even on the shortest setting, at typical highway speed my SCC doesn't allow me to follow nearly as close as they seemed to be in the video.

 

[RUFFSTUFF]

I can't get it to stay on more than 10-15 seconds if it doesn't detect me steering....

 

[RUFFSTUFF]

Very interesting, but not shocking at all. That's how it should work. I wonder what speed they were travelling at? Even on the shortest setting, at typical highway speed my SCC doesn't allow me to follow nearly as close as they seemed to be in the video.

The slower you go the closer it let's you... good question.

 

[Callum]

The vehicles in the video were coded to not look for driver grip/resistance. Everything else was untouched.

 

[MikeJr74]

Unfortunately, LKA SUCKS here in Florida. The roads are too straight, so unless I purposely jog the car left or right every few minute, LKA turns off.

 

[MerlintheMad]

Don't encourage THEM! The last thing we need is some maroon taking the wrong lesson from this video. Hands off is just plain stupid. Blindfolded!? I know, it's just a promotional. But idiots will try this! Or think that they really can drive hands free.

 

[Rob M]

Let's demonstrate the safety features of our vehicles by unstrapping our seatbelts, climbing out through the sunroof, and jumping onto a flatbed trailer in the adjacent lane. That doesn't make too much sense, lol.

The adaptive cruise works well. It's a good safety feature when it is working (the radar can get obstructed by ice, snow, salt, mud, etc). The lane keep assist on the other hand is practically worthless because it is not sophisticated enough do deal with anything but consistent single and unobstructed lane markings which don't exist anywhere but on occasional stretches of highways. Basically, those of us in Stinger models with the LKA feature are paying for the manufacturer to continue researching and making improvements in the quest for some form of autonomy. It is nowhere near a fully autonomous feature - not for Tesla, Cadillac, or any other manufacturer yet (and possibly never if you consider the infrastructure, to include call centers, that will be necessary for driverless vehicles).

On the other hand, and I am being serious here, I cannot find any information/discussion on whether LKA is a benefit, or a detriment, to intoxicated drivers. For a sober driver with normal motor skills, the lane keep assist doesn't do anything but give an occasional annoying little tug in one direction or the other. You can't take your hands off the wheel for more than a few seconds. But what if someone is drunk? They can just do their best attempting to steer, but allow the LKA to guide them for most of their ride.

 

[Kamauxx]

On the other hand, and I am being serious here, I cannot find any information/discussion on whether LKA (Lane Keep Assist) is a benefit, or a detriment, to intoxicated drivers. For a sober driver with normal motor skills, the lane keep assist doesn't do anything but give an occasional annoying little tug in one direction or the other. You can't take your hands off the wheel for more than a few seconds. But what if someone is drunk? They can just do their best attempting to steer, but allow the LKA (Lane Keep Assist) to guide them for most of their ride.

Honestly, I don't think these safety features are being designed for drunk drivers. I doubt anyone has or is planning to conduct any tests on drunk drivers to answer the concerns you've raised.

 

[Rob M]

Honestly, I don't think these safety features are being designed for drunk drivers. I doubt anyone has or is planning to conduct any tests on drunk drivers to answer the concerns you've raised.

Agreed. They wouldn't be designed with that in mind. However, I would bet that at least a few drunk drivers have relied on the feature in attempt to avoid suspicion (minimize weaving). I'm just curious.

 

[1RADKIA]

Our Stingers disengage these controls once hand (steering wheel) inputs aren’t sensed for too long. Soooo.... not quite going to work as shown in this video. The tech is certainly there though.

 

[Jonathan Lasich]

So, along these same lines, a few years ago I hear this story (told to me by a few different people--so either many got duped, or it's actually true).

Elderly gentleman is shopping for an RV, and is being shown several by a salesman. They are in a rather high end RV and the salesman says "This RV is REALLY easy to drive, in fact, it's so well equipped that it can virtually drive itself". Customer is sold on it and buys it.

A short while later, he sets off on a trip by himself. Driving along uneventfully, he eventually gets hungry. Engages the cruise control, unbuckles the seat belt, climbs out of the driver's seat, goes into the back of the RV and starts making himself a sandwich. Eventually, the RV drives itself into a ditch, essentially totaling the RV and seriously injuring the owner. He's hospitalized, eventually recovers from his injuries, and then sues the RV dealer claiming that he was told the RV could "drive itself", so he let it while he made himself a sandwich. Customer allegedly won the lawsuit.

 

[MerlintheMad]

So, along these same lines, a few years ago I hear this story (told to me by a few different people--so either many got duped, or it's actually true).

Elderly gentleman is shopping for an RV, and is being shown several by a salesman. They are in a rather high end RV and the salesman says "This RV is REALLY easy to drive, in fact, it's so well equipped that it can virtually drive itself". Customer is sold on it and buys it.

A short while later, he sets off on a trip by himself. Driving along uneventfully, he eventually gets hungry. Engages the cruise control, unbuckles the seat belt, climbs out of the driver's seat, goes into the back of the RV and starts making himself a sandwich. Eventually, the RV drives itself into a ditch, essentially totaling the RV and seriously injuring the owner. He's hospitalized, eventually recovers from his injuries, and then sues the RV dealer claiming that he was told the RV could "drive itself", so he let it while he made himself a sandwich. Customer allegedly won the lawsuit.

I've heard that. It's probably an urban legend. But it proves the point.

An absolutely true accident caused by a woman letting her Tesla drive itself occurred last year, in May, iirc. On a local highway that hits freeway speeds but has intersections, she slammed into the rear of a waiting fire truck (I've posted this before). Onboard information revealed that she had not touched the steering wheel for eighty seconds before impact. And she admitted that just before impact she looked up from her cell phone (she had been searching for alternate routes!?). She reached for the brake an instant before impact, when she saw herself increasing speed toward the rear of the fire truck. (What probably occurred is that the car in front of hers quickly shifted lanes to take advantage of a shorter line waiting for the light; and the sensors on the Tesla deemed that with open ground, it was okay to increase speed back to the cruise control setting.) To cap it off: she admitted that she had been "driving" this way for two years!?

 

[DaJackson]

This video is nearly 5 years old.

 

[Soca Boy]

That’s a old video, our Stingers have updated tech.

 

[ElChanclo]

Makes you think: In order to insure cars for auto-pilot on public roads, you're going to need a standardized sensor array running on software that the insurance industry has signed off on. After that it's just a matter of having the hardware to software interface and performance approved for every model of car. No way they're going to sign off on driving software that can change/be updated without their approval.

 

[Coast GT]

On the other hand, and I am being serious here, I cannot find any information/discussion on whether LKA (Lane Keep Assist) is a benefit, or a detriment, to intoxicated drivers. For a sober driver with normal motor skills, the lane keep assist doesn't do anything but give an occasional annoying little tug in one direction or the other. You can't take your hands off the wheel for more than a few seconds. But what if someone is drunk? They can just do their best attempting to steer, but allow the LKA (Lane Keep Assist) to guide them for most of their ride.

Wouldn’t work, the LKA doesn’t drive for you, it attempts to keep the vehicle between the lane lines that it sees, it’s not a replacement or an override for driver steering inputs, so if you “do your best attempting to steer” the car will go wherever you point it drunk, sober, or otherwise. Sure it’ll beep at you and tell you that you’re drifting near the lane line but if you turn it that way and it detects the input it won’t change direction. Have you not noticed you can still change lanes and turn etc with LKA on?

 

[Rob M]

Wouldn’t work, the LKA (Lane Keep Assist) doesn’t drive for you, it attempts to keep the vehicle between the lane lines that it sees, it’s not a replacement or an override for driver steering inputs, so if you “do your best attempting to steer” the car will go wherever you point it drunk, sober, or otherwise. Sure it’ll beep at you and tell you that you’re drifting near the lane line but if you turn it that way and it detects the input it won’t change direction. Have you not noticed you can still change lanes and turn etc with LKA (Lane Keep Assist) on?

Yes, I'm aware of how the LKA works. What I was getting at is the intoxicated driver (being aware of their condition) attempting to provide minimal (but sufficient to keep LKA functioning) inputs so that the car is doing most of the steering. The vehicle may just stay in the lane, at least better than the very intoxicated driver could. Or perhaps not. On the other hand there are cases where sober drivers have been pulled over for suspicion of DUI when semi-autonomous steering systems are operating since they aren't particularly good at keeping to the center of the lane. I was just curious as to whether automakers or others have ever tested this. Probably not, because their efforts are probably exclusively based on having the intoxicated person not being behind the wheel while moving at all.

 

[Waynerm002]

Just wait, soon an intoxicated person can call an Uber/Lift ride and get picked up with no driver on board. Won't have to worry about driving at all. Next issue is how will the car get him out once he falls asleep on the ride home.

Genesis/Hyundai/KIA has some pretty impressive automated driving systems. When the K900 was released in Korea, there was a video of one of the press cars being driven for 13 minutes without driver input. Id did things like close the window before entering tunnels, change lanes when the turn signal was activated and the lane was clear and the normal stop and go following. The Genesis video was to showcase their LKA technology when the car was integrated with it, today, they have done more to make it perform better.